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Thur Week 3 Bike

Well that went much better than Tuesday for me.

Got all 4 4' intervals at 110% and I was in control of them and not wanting to die.  Finsihed up with just 5 minutes at 85% so that I could fit a run in before work. 30' @ EP felt great.

I hope everyone else has a good workout today as well.

Coach Rich, what should we do about Saturday's workout, mine also has no FTP work, just 5 x 5 3030s.

Comments

  • Take your Sat plan and run Matt! Wasn't Tuesday enough for the week?

    Vince

  • Did OK...increased on each one and last one was everything I had left:

    FTP 250w

    #1 271

    #2 277

    #3 278

    #4 288

    Ave 278 111% of FTP

    Did 8min at 88%

  • I agree 100% with Matt....today felt much more managable than Tues or even last Thurs. The only time I felt a little bit in distress was the last 2' of the 3rd interval. Interestingly, the 4th interval I felt much better. I also did 5' @ 85% to keep the bike to 1:00 and did a 20' run after.

    The only real observation/question I have is that I am still having a little bit of a hard time getting warmed up. During the 20' warmup on both Tues and today, I was feeling there was no way I would be able to complete the workout. But once I go into the mainset, I start feeling stronger.

    Is anyone else having a hard time getting the engine started?
  • totally needed a longer warm up today after doing the Tues workout yesterday (I know...2 days in a row = bad but nutty schedule this week and TT on Saturday). image

    Got the 4x4 done. first two were at 110 and 108%, second two were a struggle to keep it at 105%.

    Easy spin after to flush the legs for a little over 50 minutes total.

  • It was almost a relief after Tuesdays killer bike. All 4 at 110%, and like Larry, the 3rd interval was the hardest. It also seemed to ease some of the creakiness and stiffness from the Tuesday bike and Wed run intervals.
  • I often find the 2nd to last interval the hardest as well and I believe it is completely mental...I'm still holding back to save something for the last interval, but when the last interval comes I am so relieved that the suffering is almost done I can push a little harder.

    The biggest thing I learned from the OS last year was that my mind was holding back my body much more that I thought. Al, started to mention this in another thread and I agree with him. I can't think of a single workout last year that I could not physcially complete, there were a few times the brain almost stopped me though.

    This year has been a slightly different story with having to take breaks in a few workouts. I believe two of the times I could have pushed through it, but I just didn't have the drive (different goals this year). However, tuesday I gave it all I could and the pedals just kept going slower and slower.

    Time to start working on the mental 6 pack again!
  • Matt...you are just getting old.

    Vince
  • Posted By Vince Hoffart on 28 Jan 2010 01:26 PM

    Matt...you are just getting old.



    Vince





     

    I did just turn 29 ... one more year before I age up and the field gets deeper!

  • The warm up that Rich has recommended differs from what I normally do.



    Normal: 3' easy spin, 3x 30" (30") fast spin low resistance, 4x 1' (1') @ FTP



    Change: No FTP, now the 3x 1' (2') @ 110%.



    I have always varied the length based on need. Just this morning I decided that for me, the jump to 110% during warm up is too much. I think I need the progression, so putting some FTP before the 110%. Then the MS starts.



    All that said, I struggled a bit but maintained 110% for all 4 intervals. 10' at 85%. No run.

  • 1 hr 55 min total workout today. 30 minute run felt like EP, but was actually 35 sec/mi faster. Either new shoes (Newton's I got free), or OS run training is working. Bike was a good stiff workout, but no failure points or slowing of cadence on the main set. Did 23 minute warm up and 15 min @ 85% with further 10 minute cool down. CompuTrainer parts go to Racermate for repair today, hope its that and not my computer which is causing the wonkiness. Today I was able to save the warm up but lost the main set and cool down data.

    For me, this felt like old times, what I'm used to doing 4-5 days a week.
  • Same train.  Today was very mangeable though I would not say not painful.  The 4x4' were tough but nailed them and did 10' at 87% after to take it to 1 hour.   The 85% almost seems really easy for the first 2-3' then body seems to realize it is still working. 

    Best thing was I had to go to downtown LA to City of Angeles Cathedral for a "Blessing of the Shoes" ceremony for LA Marathon.  K-Swiss stepped up as Presenting Sponsor and we did some video/stills and yours truly is in the shots!!

  • Al,

    Those Newtons will make you faster....watch the low gastroc/soleus tension if you haven't ran in those before.

    Vince

     

  • Like I said Matt....

    I didn't start getting back into shape until I was 37 y/o and I was confident that I was staring at another divorce. Good for you for making the decision to make fitness a cornerstone of your lifestyle.

    Vince

  • I am agreement with the general theme of the posts for today. This was much better than Tuesday. I made it through the 4.  The first one was rougher than I expected. The next 2 were seamed easier. The 20 min warm up was not enough today. The 4th one was a major effort for the last min being more than intensebut got R done. 

    Matt, I agree the mental 6 pack plays a huge role in these workouts. I am doing better this season on that front, but I feel I still have major room to improve. 

    The following link is an interesting read on focus and the attitude of “Not Dead Can’t Quit”. It is written for the perspective of a stock trader but I take away some useful points that I can apply to IM’s and training.


    Matt
  • Did the power clinic workout today and hit 112% for all my intervals of 4'. Much easier than Tuesday...WAY easier. 85% was performed at 45 rpms and just worked on pedaling strong circles.

    Today was a new day comparatively speaking.



    Vince
  • I seem to have more mental issues before I get on the bike or head out the door for the run, as opposed to when I am actually doing the work. I look at the upcoming sessions, read how others in the forum made out and sometimes generate a bit of trepidation and/or a slight case of dread as the time gets closer to biking or running.  Those feelings go away as I change clothes and some excitement begins to build.



    And once I get started, I suffer through the tougher parts like everyone else, and afterwards, I feel pretty danged terrific for getting things done (at least for a while until I fall asleep on my recliner). So my solution is to treat the training like brushing my teeth - it needs to be done and will be done, and the less thinking and pondering before hand the better.



    I hit the markers pretty much spot on today.



    4 x 4 (4) at between 110% and 112% with my recoveries right at 60%.



    1 x 15 at 85%.

  • Al O - Yes. every single run I've ever done, I didn't really want to do it until I was actually running. I don't like to brush my teeth, either, so that won't work for me. Anticipatory anxiety is what I call it. Sort of like Bill Russell (the Celtic, not the triathlete), who supposedly threw up before every basketball game he played. The he went out and won all those titles. I like your solution: "it needs to be done and will be done, and the less thinking and pondering before hand the better."

  • Posted By Matt Ancona on 28 Jan 2010 01:36 PM
     

    I did just turn 29 ... one more year before I age up and the field gets deeper!

     

    Yea, I aged up to the 30-34 last year. Soccer mom bracket is rough! image

  • Posted By Leigh Boyle on 29 Jan 2010 06:29 AM
    Posted By Matt Ancona on 28 Jan 2010 01:36 PM
     

    I did just turn 29 ... one more year before I age up and the field gets deeper!

     

    Yea, I aged up to the 30-34 last year. Soccer mom bracket is rough!



    Uh oh, Mancona's in my AG next year!

    I also got the 4 x 4 done last night after a long day of train rides to and from NYC, with work in between.  Climbed on the trainer at 9pm, and felt as good as I've felt during a bike workout in a while.  Hit the marks, and then did 15' at 85%, with it creeping up towards the end.  The 85% part felt really good. 

    Mike

  • Posted By Matt Samojeden on 28 Jan 2010 09:18 PM

    I am agreement with the general theme of the posts for today. This was much better than Tuesday. I made it through the 4.  The first one was rougher than I expected. The next 2 were seamed easier. The 20 min warm up was not enough today. The 4th one was a major effort for the last min being more than intensebut got R done. 

    Matt, I agree the mental 6 pack plays a huge role in these workouts. I am doing better this season on that front, but I feel I still have major room to improve. 

    The following link is an interesting read on focus and the attitude of “Not Dead Can’t Quit”. It is written for the perspective of a stock trader but I take away some useful points that I can apply to IM’s and training.


    Matt



    Great Article, Thanks for sharing!  It is definitely helping re-build my mental 6 pack that I lost after IMWI last year.  Have you read the book as well?

    I got a few great quotes out of it to add to my mental 6 pack for Tuesday's workout! 

     

     

  • Matt & Matt - the guy interviewed in that article was a SEAL. I'm reminded of an interview with Keith Davids, one of the SEALs who parachuted into Kailua Bay to start the Ironman recently (and then went on to do the race.) He had 11 attributes for success, as a SEAL or triathlete, or in life. I have learned over the last 10 years that each and every thing he says below is true, and necessary for success, in triathlon, or anything else one attempts.

    1. Eliminate self-limiting thoughts. More often than not, people have preconceived notions about what is possible for them to achieve. They sell themselves short. Abolish thoughts that hold you back from achieving your true potential.
    2. Optimize your skills. Everyone begins at a different place and each of us are dealt a different set of genetic cards. Use that to your advantage and optimize your assets.
    3. Be willing to spend the effort and energy to be successful. Anyone can succeed if they are willing to work at it. Too many people want to reap rewards without the sacrifice that is necessary to achieve any goal.
    4. Enjoy the journey. If you can enjoy the pursuit of excellence, you’ve got it made. Aiming to enjoy only the end result makes it impossible to endure the necessary sacrifices to achieve any goal really worth having.
    5. Be a student. The more you understand about what it is you’re trying to do and how to do it, the easier it is to be successful. Be a student of your passion.
    6. Persevere. There are many things that can get in the way of successfully achieving any goal. You have to be willing to figure out how to get over, under, around or through those obstacles. Keep trying.
    7. Develop mental toughness. It is not the physical challenges that keep men from successfully surviving the SEAL training, it is mentally giving up. You need to start believing that you can do it, you can be successful. Others have been successful before you, you can do it too.
    8. Be prepared to suffer. When you are training for an event as large as a 140.6-mile triathlon, it is a long haul. There is going to be bad weather, aching body parts and times when you are just plain tired. Know that some stress, followed by rest, will make you stronger physically and mentally.
    9. Take strength from others. This tip is particularly valuable for race day. Right when you are thinking things are really bad for you, look around. You’ll see that others are suffering too. Knowing you’re not the only one and that other people will suffer generates energy, if you’re willing to accept it. [I would add here, that you can draw strength from others at ANY time, especially before a race. Accept all offers of good luck, and freely give advice to those who seem to want it.- AMT]
    10. You must want success. Doing something that is difficult requires that you want to be successful with every fiber of your core. The intense desire to succeed helps you overcome obstacles that crush other people.
    11. Avoid over-training. It is easy for highly motivated people to over-train. Achievers are often rewarded for doing more and working harder. While you must work hard and do the prescribed work, you must also rest in order to reap the benefits.

    You may not be capable of becoming a Navy SEAL, but I’m willing to bet you are capable of successfully becoming a triathlete. Some of you are capable of being quite competitive in the sport; perhaps one of the top in your area, the state, the nation or perhaps the world.

    Be inspired, inspire others."

  • Matt, No I have not read the book. I was able to sit in a 2 hour presentation by Richard M a couple of years ago and came away with some key mind set tools. My problem is that like many things, I need to be reminded every so often of what I know I should do.

    Al – I have to say your posts are or consistently some of the highest value posts in the house. Your perspective on many things is refreshing. The wisdom you have accumulated through your multiple IM experiences (and life experiences) is evident and I have learned numerous things form your posts. Thank you for your insights on many aspects of training, racing and life.
    Thank you for “inspiring others”

    Matt
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