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How will these things work on race day?

I've got a couple of logistical type questions on race day... I would like to understand how a couple things will work...

In T1, I 'm carrying my wetsuit up the helix and some EN doode hands me my bike image.  What happens to my wetsuit?  Will the bike handler also have my shoes and helmet?

I plan to use my Garmin 305 on the run.  I figure I don't need it on the bike.  I've used it to know the course a couple times.  I have a wired PT.  Is there any advantage to wearing it on the ride and run?

What happens to my bike after the race?  Do I grab it that night or Monday morning?

Did I hear someone correctly that we do NOT get our special needs bags after the race?  Do we sacrifice everything we put in there which we do not use?  Should I position a familiy member close to the SN area so I can hand them the bag?

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  • Excellent questions!



    In T1, you get your wetsuit stripped, and you carry it with you into the Monona Terrace. You pick up your T1 bag (which you packed a day or two earlier) and head into the changing room. A volunteer helps you with anything you need. your t1 bag contains helmet, bike shoes, sunglasses, any additional bike clothing, a towel, and whatever else you want in there. your wetsuit will go into that bag when you leave T1. You put on your helmet, shoes, sunglasses, and head out to the bike area. Volunteers smear sunscreen all over you. Maybe you use a porta-potty. A volunteer hands you your bike, and you head out on the course.



    After your race, you or one of your sherpas picks up your bike using the ticket that they give you at athlete check-in. Definitely have to pick it up that night. Same with transition bags.



    You may or may not get special needs bags back. I've have about a 75% success rate at WI. Get there early on monday morning. it's thousands of bags, fairly unorganized, and they've been sitting out there for a few hours since the middle of the night, unguarded.



    The garmin could be a nice backup if for some reason your PT goes on the fritz. At least you'd have mileage and time on the bike if the PT computer gets screwed up. But definitely optional. If you don't take it on the bike, you'll just put it in your T2 bag and pick it up then.

  • T2 is similar. You ride up the helix to Monona Terrace and you give your bike to a volunteer who then racks it. You run in and get your T2/run bag, go to the changing area and put your bike gear in that bag after you've changed. Then head out on the run.

    Have you watched the Four Keys DVD? Mandatory viewing.

  • Great responses from Michelle and Matt... one thing to add, do not rely on a volunteer for anything. They are truly great and most likely will be there to help you with what ever you need in T1/T2, however if you come in during a popular time (i.e. swim 1:05 to 1:20) there are likely going to be way more racers than volunteers.

    Just be prepared to do everything yourself and you will not have any issues and be pleasently surprised when a great volunteer is there to help you.

    Sorry I always post this, but I actually overheard someone complaining last year that their T1 was slow because of the volunteers being to slow ... they are their to help you, not do it for you.

    Also, I would not suggest handing anything to a family member as that is a penatly. Just don't put anything valuable in your SN bags and then it isn't a big deal if you get them back or not.
  • This isn't huge, but I gave my helmet to the bike handler who took my bike at T2. One less thing to deal with in the changing area. It was strapped to my bike when I picked it up.

  • I'll throw in this....

    I go into T1 and T2 calling (OK ,maybe a little sing-song yelling) for a volunteer. "I NEED A VOLUNTEER!!!! Or I'll literally tap one and have her come with me, if that scenario presents itself. While mayhem sems to be going on around you, some are standing idle. Then I "boss" them around. Of course I am not really bossy in tone, but I clearly tell then what I need and what I would like them to do for me. They aren't mind readers, and they will do anything you ask--so long as they know. It's all my years being mom to an army of boys, I swear! Having someone assist you is hugely helpful.

    Men prolly don't, but I always hug my volunteer before I leave.

  • @Linda:

    It depends... if the volunteer is a pretty, young coed, I'd proably at least TRY to give her a hug... don't know if she'd LET me... I'm just sayin'. :-D
  • Posted By Steve Perkins on 23 Aug 2010 05:33 PM

    @Linda:



    It depends... if the volunteer is a pretty, young coed, I'd proably at least TRY to give her a hug... don't know if she'd LET me... I'm just sayin'. :-D

     

    Of course you would. You dawg! LOL!

  • Kathy and I have been on special needs bags out in Verona for the past two years and the experience out there was great. Athletes were so thankful and considerate. For me the shift on the run special needs back last year was not as pleasant. It was later in the night and the runners were punchy and frustrated and literally very tired. One guy reamed me because I had to put a hole in his bag because he had knotted it so tight I couldn't untie it. I just calmly but firmly reminded him I was a volunteer there to help him but not to be abused. He backed down but was frustrated. To be fair, though, I know that facing the second half of the marathon at 9:00 PM is daunting and just demoralizing at some level....and will probably experience that very thing this year :>)
  • Good stuff. Thanks everyone. Is there a bag you pick up at the finish? In other races I've done there was a bag drop at the swim start for things you wanted at the finish (eg cell phone, t shirt you wore around in the chilly morning before the swim, shoes you walked in from the hotel to the start, etc)

    Also does anyone leave their shoes clipped into their bike? I've typically done this at shorter events but then I've never had a volunteer get my bike?

    One more...if you are using infinit how do you handle it on the run? I use a fuel belt when training and will probably do the same for the race so that I can keep consistent nutrition but hate the idea of carrying the extra weight around the course (you know bc my body comp is already as ideal as it's gets image
  • Also, do we get access to our bike the morning of? Or do I need to load it with my water and infinit the day before when I drop it off?
  • Posted By Jennifer Burbatt on 24 Aug 2010 07:01 AM

    Also, do we get access to our bike the morning of? Or do I need to load it with my water and infinit the day before when I drop it off?

    You do have access to your bike the morning of. Good thing to pump your tires too!

  • Mark- Yes. You will get a bag to bring with you to the start that you put cloths in for the finish. I typically wear my "warm" cloths to the start (over my race kit) and put them in the bag when I eventually put on my wetsuit.

    I believe I've done it both ways (leaving shoes on and taking them off). But frankly I think it's a little safer to take them off and carry them to T2 with you- that way you know for sure they will make it into a bag you can retrieve later.

    Jennifer- you will have access to your bike the morning of so that you can put your water bottles/feed bottles on the bike and pump up the tires.
  • Posted By Matt Sullivan on 24 Aug 2010 07:04 AM
    Posted By Jennifer Burbatt on 24 Aug 2010 07:01 AM

    Also, do we get access to our bike the morning of? Or do I need to load it with my water and infinit the day before when I drop it off?

    You do have access to your bike the morning of. Good thing to pump your tires too!

     

    So Matt, if I pump my tires morning of, what do I do with the pump?

  • Posted By Kathy Nelson on 24 Aug 2010 07:09 AM


    So Matt, if I pump my tires morning of, what do I do with the pump?



    That's what Sherpas are for 

    There will be volunteers  in transition with bike pumps.  You can use one of those OR bring your own and hand it to a family member to bring back to the hotel.  I'll be using a volunteers pump- no need to pack that in the luggage.

  • So Matt, if I pump my tires morning of, what do I do with the pump?

    I handed mine off to my wife/sherpa.
  • Posted By Linda Patch on 23 Aug 2010 05:26 PM

    I'll throw in this....

    I go into T1 and T2 calling (OK ,maybe a little sing-song yelling) for a volunteer. "I NEED A VOLUNTEER!!!! Or I'll literally tap one and have her come with me, if that scenario presents itself. While mayhem sems to be going on around you, some are standing idle. Then I "boss" them around. Of course I am not really bossy in tone, but I clearly tell then what I need and what I would like them to do for me. They aren't mind readers, and they will do anything you ask--so long as they know. It's all my years being mom to an army of boys, I swear! Having someone assist you is hugely helpful.

    Men prolly don't, but I always hug my volunteer before I leave.

    Getting a volunteer is a very good thing, if you can. They will pack your bag back up if you ask them and you can just go on your way. That is especially nice for your wetsuit!

  • Posted By mark erkenswick on 24 Aug 2010 12:09 AM



    One more...if you are using infinit how do you handle it on the run? I use a fuel belt when training and will probably do the same for the race so that I can keep consistent nutrition but hate the idea of carrying the extra weight around the course (you know bc my body comp is already as ideal as it's gets

     

    Lots of people wear the fuel belt. Personally, I've become more of a fan of the Nathan sprint hand-helds, particularly the little ones. You don't even realize you're carrying them. Two bottles is 20 oz.

    Personally, I started my first IM with the fuel belt and hid it in a bush for later retrieval by mile 2. Couldn't stand it--the weight or the taste of Infinit. Plus, once I ran out, what was I going to do anyway? Last time I just used coke from start to finish and I was A-OK. I was glad not to be carrying anything. Planning that again this time--here's hoping it works.

  • Posted By mark erkenswick on 24 Aug 2010 12:09 AM



    Also does anyone leave their shoes clipped into their bike? I've typically done this at shorter events but then I've never had a volunteer get my bike?



    NO SHOES ON THE BIKE.  This is a WTC rule.  Only pros are allowed to keep their shoes clipped in.  
    Amateurs must have your shoes in your T1 bag.  You can run IN your shoes, which is awkward but frees up your hands OR you can run with your shoes in hand to the mount line, where you find a wall to prop your bike on, slip into your shoes, and roll down the helix.

     

  • For IMWI I recommend you run IN your shoes with your bike to the bike mount line. Within a few feet of mounting your bike you are rolling down the helix = no real room to put your shoes on, unless you lean your bike against the wall before the mount line and do it there....which is the same idea as a lot of other people . Bottomline, you gots all day. If you ride Looks (me), maybe put on a fresh set of cleats.

  • Posted By Rich Strauss on 24 Aug 2010 08:56 AM

    For IMWI I recommend you run IN your shoes with your bike to the bike mount line. Within a few feet of mounting your bike you are rolling down the helix = no real room to put your shoes on, unless you lean your bike against the wall before the mount line and do it there....which is the same idea as a lot of other people . Bottomline, you gots all day. If you ride Looks (me), maybe put on a fresh set of cleats.





     

    I ride looks and I could of used new cleats at timberman or I would of PR's by another 10 minutes

  • IMO, The ideal place to put your bike shoes on depends on where your bike is racked. Everyone has to run the same distance, but the difference is if you get your bike at the beginning of the ~1/4 mile run or so run or the end dependng on where your rack is.

    If you are RACING then:

    What has worked really well for me is to carry my shoes in my hands while I run to the bike rack. This works for me because my bike is racked close to the bike out. Therefore I am running barefoot for about 3/4 of the tranistion and passing a ton of people trying to run in cleats. When I got to my rack I stop and put my shoes on next to the rack while an outstanding volunteer ;-) grabs my bike for me. I have my shoes on right as he is handing me my bike and I only have about 1/4 of the tranistion to run in bike shoes now.

    Of course if your bike is racked much further from the bike out, this strategy may not work as well.
  • ;-)
    I'm thinking I'll be on Jim's rack this year!
  • Mark - I've done IM marathons both with (1) and without (2) a fuel belt. I had bottles with enough fuel for the first half of the run in my T2 bag, and then additional bottles for the 2nd half of the run in special needs bag. I kept those bottles in the freezer overnight on Sat night, so they were still reasonably cool by the time I needed them. I surprisingly didn't really mind the fuel belt, since that what I had trained with.

    However, I now realize I just don't want/need that many calories while running, and I'm generally tired of drinking perpetuem after the bike ride that I can't bear to drink any more of it on the run. Also, I discovered coke! It's an amazing way to get some calories on the run along with a bite or two of a solid bar here & there, and some type of cliff blocks/luna moons/honey stingers, etc. Those are all things I can carry on my race number belt (with elastic loops) or in a pocket. I really like not having to carry the extra weight of a fuel belt.

    So, that's my experience. A lot of people do great with the belts. I'd go with whatever you trained with on your long runs.
  • Totally agree with Matt on the shoes. I'll make the call on where to put them on when I see where my bike is racked.
  • About pumping your tires on race day... during the IMWI camp Rich recalled a race to which he brought his pump and ended up letting other participants borrow it which ended up being a complication he did not need and did not benefit him in any way. On race morning with everything else going on I won't want to be chasing my pump around the transition area.

    I am planning on pumping my tires when I drop off my bike on Saturday.
  • Posted By David Williams on 24 Aug 2010 11:33 AM

    About pumping your tires on race day... during the IMWI camp Rich recalled a race to which he brought his pump and ended up letting other participants borrow it which ended up being a complication he did not need and did not benefit him in any way. On race morning with everything else going on I won't want to be chasing my pump around the transition area.



    I am planning on pumping my tires when I drop off my bike on Saturday.



    X2 David.  I have this thing about never pumping up tires race morning.  But that's just me.

  • Posted By Nemo Brauch on 24 Aug 2010 11:23 AM

    Totally agree with Matt on the shoes. I'll make the call on where to put them on when I see where my bike is racked.

     

    Really good to know.  This is a very helpful thread!!





  • I am planning on pumping my tires when I drop off my bike on Saturday.



    If you are using latex tubes ... I definitely recomend you DO NOT pump them up on Saturday.  Also, if it is hot on Sat and forecasted hot on Sunday, this is a bad idea as well as the tire pressure will drop over night when it cools off and then raise again on Sunday.

    There will by multiple pumps in T1 race morning.  Get there early and you will have no problem using one with little to no wait.  I can almost alwasy borrow one from someone at the same rack as well.

  • Posted By Matt Ancona on 24 Aug 2010 11:40 AM




    I am planning on pumping my tires when I drop off my bike on Saturday.



    If you are using latex tubes ... I definitely recomend you DO NOT pump them up on Saturday.  Also, if it is hot on Sat and forecasted hot on Sunday, this is a bad idea as well as the tire pressure will drop over night when it cools off and then raise again on Sunday.

    There will by multiple pumps in T1 race morning.  Get there early and you will have no problem using one with little to no wait.  I can almost alwasy borrow one from someone at the same rack as well.



    Matt-prolly a really stoopid question, but how do u know if the tubes are latex? 

  • Kathy,



    If you have tubulars then it would depend on the brand and model of your tire, but I'm guessing you have clinchers. In that case, you'd probably know if you had Latex tubes because you really have to go out of your way to find them. Standard butyl tubes are the black ones that you can get anywhere, latex are thinner and finnickier. Anyway, if you fill up your tires and you still have decent air pressure in them the next day, you've got butyl! My tubulars with latex tubes drop from 110 to 80psi over the course of a single night.



    Another question, anyone who's done an IM yet this year with the Powerbar Perform stuff know what flavor they've been handing out? Like last year at Moo, from what I remember they only had orange Gatorade Endurance. I'd like to try the specific flavor of Perform that they are going to dish out. I'm planning on using on-course nutrition for the run for better or worse. I tend to favor RnP's nutrition mantra to err on the side of too little rather than too much. I mostly stick to water, taking in calories in the form of sports drink when needed, I'll probably grab some coke too because that went well in training. I'd like to try pretzels and broth but I have not had those during training, suppose I could try it at this weeks long run but I don't think my long run nutrition really compares too closely to how I'm going to feel when I'm a good ways into the IM marathon, really it's a whole different ball game.

    EDIT: Ok a few more newbie questions. How much of a pain is it to get your special needs bag on the bike? I'm planning on having some extra frozen nutrition bottles in there to pick up, how long does it usually take to get your bag? Do you grab your stuff out of the bag then give the empty bag back to the volunteer?

    There was a lot of talk about using volunteers in transition, what are you all having these volunteers do for you? I know I need someone to give me my transition bag, and I'll want someone to help put on sunscreen, but what else do they usually help with?

    Thanks!

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