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HOW DO I ENGAGE MY GLUTES?

 I have now understood that engaging those GLUTES is key for the run. I have been doing the "strengthen those GLUTES" exercises and I now need to start working on the mechanics ...... but obviously have no idea how to proceed (other than a couple YouTube videos suggesting I lift and point my ankles towards my behind!!!!!).

Any suggestions in the haus? Videos .... Literature ..... Wisdom ?

tks

Juan

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  •  Great Brenda, thanks. 

    If by any chance you know of other materials that show how to effectively work on RUN mechanics/drills to engage GLUTES I would also appreciate it.

  •  Jaun - 

     

    Coincidentally, on my run today, I was practicing engaging my glutes - so it's timely that you posted this when you did image 

     

    My observations RE: using glutes:

     

    First off, like any other skill, it takes practice.  It's not something you can say 'ok, I'm going to start using my glutes more' and suddenly everything falls into place.

     

    Second - using the glutes is interdependent on other form mechanics.  Last year I had a session with a local Chi Running coach to go over some of the finer points (to me, at the time) of form work, and have since been practicing trying to achieve proper form during my runs.  As I've tweaked this, toyed with that - I've found other things that fall into place, one of which is using the glutes more.  We tend to initially think of running as being leg powered - quads, hamstrings, calfs, etc - but as I practice form more, I find that the legs really just provide a foundation for where the real running work comes from, which is the core.  Specifically, the glutes for pulling the legs back (aided somewhat by hamstrings), and the psoas for springing the legs forward (with assistance from other hip flexors, such as the iliacus).  Once I realized how these muscles work in concert to allow running, I found it easier to isolate use of certain muscles and lesson the overdependance on other muscles (such as using the quads to provide forward propulsion) from doing work they weren't designed/evolved to do.

     

    Third - just having muscle isn't enough, the real trick is getting them to fire in coordination with other muscles at just the right time.  This is typically what I find physical therapy and similar exercises are good at.  I find lunges and squats are good at not only strengthening muscles like the glutes and hamstrings, but also in helping various muscle groups learn how to work together properly.

     

    Fourth - there is a fantastic thread in the general forum about how people went through a process to rebuild their running (form) from scratch.  It's a little bit of a longer thread, and there are a lot of links and videos - but sit down with a beer or three, and spend an hour or three going through and digesting it.  Take notice of peoples before and after video's to get a mental picture of how their form improved, and what they did to improve it.  I guarantee that everyone who went into run jail, did the exercises, and came out are now using their glutes more effectively during running.  I don't know what your form is like, whether it's good or bad, but I'd venture to bet just about anyone can gain something useful from that thread - even if it is just reiterating finer points that sometimes get forgotten.

     

    Fifth - don't overthink it!  
  •  Tks much Ryan ( I did understand very clearly the grab a couple beers or more and read!!!!! ). Tks again.

  • @ Juan, you really don't need much to strengthen the glutes. Squats and lunges are the best. The lower you go on each repetition the more you activate the glut muscle. I'd start out easy doing lunges 1 set of 5 each leg building up to 10 reps then add another set.. bam done move on.

    I'd do the same with squats too mixing them up every other workout. So a week would look like Monday lunge, Wednesday Squat, Friday Lunge then the following week switch the workout around. Take it easy on yourself as your doing biking and running now too. It doesn't take much.
  • You first must "activate" your glutes before running and getting them to "engage". From what I understand, your glutes are "asleep" unless they are activated. If you don't activate them, your hip flexors will overcompensate. I activate mine with monster walks and a resistance band around my ankles. Then bridges with the band around my upper calves. Then I squeeze them in the early stages of the run so that I know they are on. I'm also pushing my hips forward when I run. This seems to help a lot for me.
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  • Posted By Ian Powell on 23 Nov 2012 03:42 PM

    I'm also pushing my hips forward when I run. This seems to help a lot for me.

    This is a very subtle, but I find to be effective, thing for form and glute activation.  It's very easy to learn forward from the hips - you see lots of people hunched over during a run, especially on longer distances where fatigue is a factor.  But you don't want to do a pelvic forward thrust either, otherwise your torso is leaning backwards and being counterproductive.  There's a sweet spot - something I learned from Chi Running that I found effective is to engage your lower abs to level your pelvis a bit.  If you imagine your pelvis as a bowl, when you stick your butt out (to exaggerate), the front of the bowl dips down, and thats bad.  By engaging your abs, you keep your pelvis level.  That, in turn, helps isolate and activate the glutes.

     

     

  • At Ian ... Please define 'monster walk' for me, and how that works the glutes. Could be something I incorporate into my transition period.
  • My guess is that monster walk is like the groucho walk from the P90x legs & back routine. You can find examples on youtube.
    BTW - I find that the legs and back routine from P90x is awesome for leg strength and all those core muscles used for running. Only problem is that I can't do the whole routine unless I plan on not running for 4-5 days afterwards, because it makes my hamstrings, outer quads and glutes super-sore.
  • Sure, the one I do is like the one on YouTube ( search monster walk with theraband). It definitely helps activate the glutes, but requires a resistance band and would not be able to be done in a transition area. At IMFL I was squeezing my glutes in the transition area. It must have looked funny image. But I felt like it worked.
  • Haven't dug too deeply, but my Chiro had me doing bridges using my glutes (hamstrings relaxed) as a daily exercise; eventually moving to doing them with one leg...that was all I needed (i.e. no heavy weights required)...
  • Let's think about this a little more holistically.  Weak or underutilized glutes don't exist in a vacuum.  You can't just strengthen them a little, and then be OK.  In most people, weak glutes are a part of a problem related to tight hip flexors, weak abs, tight lower back muscles, and weak glutes, also known as lower crossed syndrome (link here).  Many (some would say most) of us have some amount of this syndrome simply from sitting in chairs too much.

    To address it requires systematically approaching at least three of the four issues. 

    1. strengthen the abs
    2. stretch the hip flexors
    3. strengthen the glutes

    as well as teaching the body how to most effectively recruit these newly strengthened and stretched muscles.  There are examples of how to address these at sites like this and (more simply) this.  Some folks like a kettlebell approach like this.  There are  progressions to follow in a program like this, or others. 

    Bottom line, there's a lot to it.  My work on the topic has included a lot of bridges, planks, lateral walking exercises, clams, single leg squats, and others.  And I'm still improving.  It's worth it, but requires an integrated approach.

     

  • There is also a good article in the september 2012 Running Times magazine.

  • Best way I know to engage (or even understand the concept of engaging) the glutes is a drill I learned from the book "Chi Running." You run at whatever pace and then imagine you are a kid at the swimming pool and the life guard blows the whistle at you and yells at you to "WALK!" and you go from running into a brisk power walk. When you do this you will immediately feel your hips rotating much more fully. Once you get the hang of this feeling you can then take it from the "walking" part of the drill and incorporate it into your running. The more you do this, the more you will feel your glutes become sore after your runs.

    Practicing this new hip rotation on short uphill runs, or even briskly walking steep uphills during trail runs always provides a great glute workout as well.
  • @Mike - you nailed it. I've been working with an excellent PT for awhile now over what I "thought" was Plantar Fasciitis. Turns out it's related to a back issue from having twins and a toddler to care for. Related to all of that is weaker hips, tight lower back, weaker core. It's weird how once you start digging, you see the chain reaction that causes most of our running problems. So I agree 1000% with you - no issue usually exists in a vacuum. If something is weak, fixing that one thing all by itself usually doesn't completely solve a problem. For every action (weak muscle), there is an equal and opposite reaction (tight muscle).

    To Coach P's point - bridges are a big part of my PT routine. Makes sense since the "power" phase of your stride is pushing the ground away behind you to propel yourself forward. You should use the back of your legs to do that (glutes) when too many of us are using the front of our legs (quads) to pull the ground toward us.Not very efficient.
  • @Mike you nailed it, you;re spot on.
    THe key is to lengthen/stretch your Rectus Femoris/Illiopsoas and Thoraco/Lumbar Extenders. Then to work on strengthening Lower Abs and Gluteus min/med/max.
    I recommend this approach to many people in my practice and it's a classic Lower Cross Syndrome.

    One of the best ways to do this is to do a bridge. But first focus on lengthening the muscles mentioned above. Over time thoe focus will switch to strengthening the antagonist muscles mentioned. Once this become easy you can progress to lifting 1 leg and doing 1 leg bridges again with same sequence just listed. The next progression moves to bridge with a swiss ball. And the final progression is 1 leg with a swiss ball. Other exercises mentioned in this thread work, but the bridge is one of the best.
  • Sukhi - I love your direction above.

    You mention focusing on lengthening the rectus femoris/illiopsoas and thoraco/lumber extenders first. Do mean before you work the glutes everytime you work out, or for a duration of weeks first, before you start the strengthening?

    If it is stretch only for a durtion - how long a duration (3 times a week x 3 weeks)
    What stretches do you like the most. I am a fan of active isolated stretching, as I feel static stretching does nothing for me.

    I really like standing exercises for the glute min/med. How about you. I like the hip hike or the leg abduction with stability ball against wall.
    What are your thoughts on a single leg deadlifts for glute activation.

  • Based on location, this isn't likely to help Juan, but for anyone who has access to the white stuff this winter, my strong recommendation for this is to get out and XC Ski as much as possible. Skating and Classical technique both will naturally engage the glutes much more than running or cycling will as well as integrate the motion with your core. A kick double pole is basically a massive ab crunch combined with a powerful glute contraction, repeated over and over again. The exercises (bridge, etc) are all great, but skiing is way more fun and and awesome sport in its own right.
  • @ Kevin - I love that idea, just need the weather to cooperate. Last year I didn't get to xc-ski at all. Never even clean the dust off 'cause there was no snow at all worth skiing on without having to drive 1 to 1.5 hours each way.

    THINK SNOW!!!
  • Wow. I had no idea...
  • A few things I incorporated into life last year for this very purpose:

    1) engaging glutes and core during toothbrush time. Standing on one leg, holding the run pose. stay there for a while and keep your balance. Repeat with the other leg. My electric toothbrush has a timer that keeps me doing this for a total two-minute cycle.
    2) Include 'vacuums' as part of your core work (just Google it), and eventually start to engage this "pull the bellybutton into the spine" action while running. In particular, I did this late in runs where I knew form was faltering, and it amazed me how automatic the engagement of glutes became when sucking the belly. I'm sure there were a lot of other things that were occuring in the kinetic chain when I did that, but the net result was getting my glutes back into the game after they decided to hit the sidelines.
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