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inRide by Kinetic

ShanceyShancey
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Hi Peeps, anyone out ther using the inRide?  I would like to kniow the pros and cons.  I have the Kinetic trainer and it looks to be user friendly, so I am torn between thr trainer road and the inRide

Thanks,

Sheri

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  • John WithrowJohn Withrow
    Hey Sheri--
    I don't know anything about inRide, so let me apologize for that in advance... I have used TrainerRoad and it is really cool. I have a Powermeter, but I use TR now as my interface while indoors and I love that you can drop in Sufferfest videos to make it even that much more interesting. It is an a awesome tool for people without a powermeter to be able to use "virtual power". Another huge benefit of TR is that there are a lot of smart folks here inside of EN who use it so there are lots of people to answer questions and to bounce ideas off of. The EN OS workouts will soon be fully functional in our own little TR club section as well.

    You can read these threads to learn a little more about it:
    http://members.endurancenation.us/Training/TrainingForums/tabid/101/aft/10320/Default.aspx
    http://members.endurancenation.us/Training/TrainingForums/tabid/101/aft/10151/Default.aspx
  • ShanceyShancey
    Thanks, John for your feed back. Here is a question for you, why would one train with power on the trainer, (TR or inRide) if you don't have a power meter for your races. I don't have a power meter, so I am wondering if I should even get a inRide or the TR. What are your thoughts on that.

    Sheri
  • John WithrowJohn Withrow
    That's an easy one... It will give you realtime specific feedback on your training and workouts. You will make huge gains in the OS by following the EN plans. But using Power or Virtual Power through one of these programs will make your workouts more specific and more exact. You will know exactly how much work you are doing and your workouts will be more precise. I find it's very hard to notice the difference in RPE and/or HR for something like a 90% effort and a 105% effort. Power readings staring at you will be like a whip when you are starting to get lazy and like a governor if you are slightly over-achieving. And the FTP testing will allow you to quantify the gains you make throughout the OS and the regular season. Additionally, once you see how useful it is to have Power while training indoors, you'll probably realize that yo want a powermeter for outdoors as well so start saving up now...
  • ShanceyShancey
    Thank you John and Russell. It all makes better sense now, but damn, those powermeters are pricey. Do either of you have a recommendation for 650's, are they more for 650's, do either of you know? I suppose I could do my own research, but you guys are more fun to interact with. Thanks for your time and words of wisdom.
    Sheri
  • Mark CardinaleMark Cardinale

    Welcome Sheri!  I'm new here as well and just started using TR when i joined EN back in October.  It has made a huge difference in my training and has made riding indoors on the trainer.....i hate to say it.....Fun!  Before the OS started i exprimented with several of the preprogrammed workouts and there is quite a bit of variety targetting everthing from VO2 to endurance.  For $10 per month(Plus ANT+ stick, HR monitor, and a speed cadence sensor) TR can't be beat and once the EN specific workouts are available it should integrate even better than it does today.  I haven't looked back and John is right, you should start saving.  I just bought  a quarq on sale last friday

  • ShanceyShancey
    Thanks, Mark, and welcome to you too. So I haven't read very much about TR, so do I have to go out and buy the ANT+stick, HR monitor, and speed cadence sensor? or does TR send all that to you, and it is included in the $10.00 per month? And can I ask how much your quarq was? Damn, I am going to have to get a second job. :-)
  • Mark CardinaleMark Cardinale

    TR at $10 per month is just the subscription price.  You must pay for the hardware to make it all work.  You need a speed/cadence sensor, HR monitor, and an ANT+ USB stick.  I think all these are are $40 a piece so you are looking at $120 -$140 all in.  I paid about $1400 for my quarq through bicycle outfitters.  They were running a 25% black friday sale.  You can see TR is very reasonable despite some upfront costs when compared to a PM. 

    Lots of options for a PM.  If you're thinking about a PM post a question in the power and pace forum and you'll get lots of input from the team.   With this sport there is no shortage of things to spend your money on.  Good luck!!!

  • ShanceyShancey
    Cool, Thanks Mark for all your help. I think i will check into the TR
  • Tom GlynnTom Glynn
    Sheri,

    Lots of TR fans in EN. Great comments above. Use TR even if you don't have a PM. You learn really fast what work is. It may feel hard and your heart may be racing, but your power could be dropping. It's truly eye opening.

    Also, if you are planning an IM or 1/2 IM, you could rent a wheel with power for the race. Race Day wheels is at a lot of events. Cheaper than buying. Once hooked, you'll find a way to buy one - think eBay!

    All good fun!

  • Al TruscottAl Truscott

    Sheri, et al ...

    • I put a post in the wiki about getting started with TR what I didn't put in there (this was intended as TR 101; next up is TR 102) is instructions for writing your own workout in TR - it's SO EASY, even a Caveman could do it. Just download the Beta version of the TR software, and chose Create Custom Workout, experiment from there.
    • For years before I ever got a PM for my bike, I trained using a CycleOps with programmable power. I had no clue about the things I know now, but even then, as soon as I started structured workouts with a power metric, my race success increased.
    • I have a 650c bike, and getting a PM for it is no different than a 700 bike. If you go for a crank-based PM (Quarq or $RM), it's the same size for both bikes. And Wheelbuilder, with the EN/Rich Strauss discount, is the way I went, very easy to order just what I wanted, they can build it up easy.
  • ShanceyShancey
    You guys are the best. I am on overload right now. I need to just chill for one second, and breathe. All your advise is so great. Do either of you have any feedback on Stages Cycling StageOne power meters?
  • John WithrowJohn Withrow
    Sheri, for TR, all you really need is an ANT+ speed/cadence sensor and an ANT+ stick for your computer (assuming you own a computer). A HRM is a bonus, but certainly not required.

    Here's a speed cadence sensor for $25: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Garmin-GSC-10-Speed-Cadence-Sensor-ANT-Bike-Edge-500-Edge-705-Cycling-/281031843852?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416ecda00c

    Here's an ANT+ stick for $22: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Garmin-USB-ANT-Stick-010-10999-00-for-Forerunner-50-FR60-310-405-405CX-410-610-/261128879592?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccc7e7de8

    If you keep your eyes out on eBay, occasionally 650c wheels with a Powertap pop up on there. I have seen them trade for as low as $400, but they're clearly not as prevelant as 700c wheelsets. The cheapest way into the power game is to find a used wired Powertap on eBay. And you could train and race on this. Many (most) people do this and simply put a disk cover on it to turn it into an aero race wheel.
  • Mark CardinaleMark Cardinale

    @John, i didn't realize a HR monitor was not required on TR.  I thought HR was somehow baked into the virtual power calculation.  I plugged in to TR this am minus HR and sure enough VP work just fine.  Thanks for clarifying. 

  • John WithrowJohn Withrow
    Gross simplification, but... Virtual power is simply calculated by the forces required to overcome the known resistance curve for any given bike trainer x the speed at which your wheel is moving (the resistance of most trainers generally changes as the speed increases). HR and Cadence are just for your analysis, not for calculating the Virtual Power. This is why it is very important to always try to train at the same tire pressure and the same amount of resistance on the wheel if you are using Virtual Power. Ideally, you would set your bike on the trainer and not take it off all OS and always train at the same tire pressure. This is an extreme though, probably getting it close each time is close enough for what we do...
  • John WithrowJohn Withrow
    We have gotten about off of the original topic though... Has anyone actually used inRide that can give Sheri real feedback?
  • ShanceyShancey
    John, thank you for all your help on this. I am going to check out Ebay for sure. And, if anyone knows any thing about the inRide, I haven't given up on it just yet. :-)
  • RumpoleRumpole
    A couple things about inride.

    1. It runs on bluetooth, not ant, so it won't work with a garmin head unit.
    2. The difference between the inride and VP is that if your tires are at a different pressure is that inride has an algorithm that deals with acceleration, and the tire pressure etc should not matter. http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/kinetic-inride-watt-meter-interbike-2012-35312/
    3. The HR strap will work with iphone 4s and up with no dongle.
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