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I have been pretty focused on my running for a few months now and I am having fun with it. You can't beat enjoying yourself doing something you like. As the marathon is put to bed I have post marathon this week about 16-17 miles on the legs and 3 days biking about 30 min each day. I'm looking to go back to the pool in Jan. I know my feet/ankles whatever are tight as I can use a pool buoy kicking and go backwards while trying to go forward. So I'm a middle of the pack swimmer. I really don't want to just go back to the pool jump in and do my same old drills with the same old outcome in my out season that produces my same old times per race. I need a change. I need something. I can't get it into my head to do the follow the black line dance for months for the same ol same ol.

 

So what do you got ? I'm not feeling this as you can tell.

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  • Have you tried finding a local coach for some 1-on-1 instruction on form and concentrating on developing that as opposed to just logging yards? The swim e-book is great and all, but I find that when it comes to something like swimming, where form is absolute king and a small tweak makes a big difference, having a third party watch you is pretty valuable. Plus, the alternate focus would be a nice distraction from just saying 'bleh - gotta go do 3k yards' - cuz that gets old.
  • I'm with you there, David. I've not improved at all as a swimmer in 5 years of triathlon. I'd like to get 1 on 1 instruction, but right now the time/opportunity doesn't exist. I'm an adult onset swimmer, never had formal lessons, and I'm not terribly motivated to do drills that I don't really understand and struggle with. I bought some swim cords on Black Friday. Maybe I can muscle my way along with my crappy technique a little faster next year.
  • I had to finally hire a coach who worked one on one with me. Filmed me underwater so I could physically see what I was doing.
    We then worked on catching drills, rolling drills, and catching over and over!!
    It's slowly came together and I improved 12 sec per 100 over this past year. Still have some work todo but it truly is all technique with swimming.
  • It's all hard work, no matter which way you slice it. Swimming faster takes time and mental energy. It's more a function of how you slice it, and from your comments above, just doing the self-drill grind sounds no fun. Join a group swimming experience so you can make friends while you get your butt kicked...or find the swim guru and spend a few quality cycles really working on improved form...but definitely mix it up. If it isn't fun / interesting / challenging....why do it? image
  • I agree with P and not just because it is P

    DM - I am a just of the back of the pack swimmer. Not too far back. image istarted swimmingbabout two years ago and have worked pretty hard at getting better but camevto a stand still. I started reading the swim smooth stuff and was able to drop 15 seconds off my 100 meter swim by just reading a pamphlet. I can now bilateral breath and I am learning so much, which is great as I nowlook forward to going to he pool. So I recommend swim smooth as an alternativenthis winter. Send me a direct note if you'd like me to share whatbu

    SC - be careful with that plan - they say hat is how you get hurt

    CN - as COO of the JOS -we will need better numbers from you!
  • Man I'm really fighting this thing.
  • I'm pretty MOP too. But I felt like I improved measurably last year.

    I tried a bit of 1 on 1 coaching, and it did help (film and the whole bit), but what helped me more was doing some group swimming with a local masters group. I think the reasons were twofold. First, there was ongoing coaching. Not fancy lessons, per se, but just quick things like "hey why don't you try xyz...". And second, of course, there's just the whole group swim dynamic.

    I have not found self-drilling to be very helpful because there's no feedback. But I may be an outlier there.
  • Thx Prof, I think you captured the whole issue I'm having. It is the self-drilling that's doing me in. The point being I spent a month drilling last season 2 x week before I even started to allow myself to swim for any length of distance. The idea was to drop the bad habits so when the real swimming was going to start my focus would be the distance. Sort of like fast than far concept.
    Well it did not work that way at all. It turned into " same old results ".

    Now I understand my own attitude with this as I didn't realize why I was so turned off by swimming as in July. Even though I won a 2nd place medal for a 1/2 mile race, most likely by virtue of being oldest guy in my class.. ha ha..

    I need some real deal coaching with follow up lessons and hop into a masters group 1 or 2 times a week. And as Matt said in Dave T post of 106 IM to 100 IM , you really need to turn yourself inside out but you can do it if you try. I have been using my energies for the run with an awesome PR in the marathon in Philly. Now I need to decide if I want to give up some of my time to do the dance with that black line on the bottom of the pool.


    EN ... you all rock ! Thx, D
  • Skip the drills and SWIM till you puke. I highly recommend you watch all of the Tower 26 videos for Triathlete Swimming available on you tube. It's like getting professional level instruction for free and he throws a lot of the "received wisdom" out the window. If you aren't a former Div 1 swimmer than the advice in those 12 videos (about 9 mins each) is going to open your eyes.
  •  I also suggest video. It may help you connect the dots between technique tips, and actual execution. Failing that, maybe watching some underwater vids of guys like Phelps (or, if it works better for you, girls like Natalie Coughlin ). I'm sure you can find some on YouTube. Keep an eye on their stroke form, especially towards the end of the stroke. Fast or slow, one thing they all have in common is that the stroke is a very deliberate, long motion. 

    Swimming rewards smoothness. Resist the urge to hack at the water. Focus on streamlining, and most importantly, keeping the body on a level plane. You don't need to kick much to do so, but you definitely need to kick from the hips and not the knees.  A lot of times I'll see people at the Y dragging their bodies through the water at an angle, like an LST instead of a PT boat. An angled body acts much the same way as that flat LST bow does to slow you down, and make you work MUCH harder than you should have to.

    Hope this helps. I'm still recovering mentally from years of swimming -- I probably didn't go in a pool more than 5 times in 20yrs after I quit the sport!! Feels good to be back though. 

  • @Paul thanks for the Tower26 referenced videos. I finished watching them and wow an eye opener for sure. Really good stuff in there and very much worth the time to watch the presentation. Thx.

  • Gerry runs a weekly open water swim during the summer in Santa Monica (at Tower 26). It's the best triathlon swim workout I have ever been to, and he is one of the leading authorities on open water swimming. We should add links to his videos to the Wiki.
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