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identification of lactic acid buildup & treatment

 does anyone have any good tips to help identify if what i have is just some residual lacitc acid build up in the outside area of quads. and is ice the right therapy for this.  i used heat on saturday after running along with a lot of streaching but it did not really help, and am thinking maybe i should have used something cold.  thanks for your help.

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  • John-

    I've experienced multi-day pain in the outside of quads, and I do find it to be intensity-related. I try self-massage and/or rolling for temporary relief, but cutting down the fast/hard intervals for a day or two is often required for me to break that. If this is after some good hard work, you may be finding yourself in the same position, but far be it from me to "diagnose" anyone. :-)

    That said, I think you can be sure that it has nothing (directly) to do with lactic acid. That's gone within minutes if not within seconds.
  • x2 on rolling out the quads. Tight IT bands, maybe? Where exactly on "the outside area of the quads?" Closer to the knee or the hip? Ice probably would've been better post-run....

    Also, William is right (of course he is - WSM!) - lactic acid doesn't "build up," it returns to the liver and is converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis (ie, the Cori Cycle), so no worries about that!
  • I agree, that pain usually means swelling and the usually treatment for that is ice. Perhaps a ice bath the next time it happens?
  • Agree - the lactic acid theory has been debunked for a while, but it still gets the blame. You are experiencing DOMS - basically, inflammation in the muscle tissue that is causing it to be painful and/or sore.

    Usually ice or cold is the way to go, as opposed to heat. You almost can't go wrong with cold. However, I've found that it's effectiveness in prevention diminishes with time - so the best time to apply is right after a hard/strenuous workout. That is where the ice baths or raising the legs is most beneficial. Usually once DOMS sets in - it's best to just wait it out, and also keep mildly active (easy spinning on the bike, walking, etc - just something to keep the blood flowing)
  • Thank you all very much for the help.
    I will keep with the ice/cold therapy for a couple more days, along with rolling it out, and trying to keep feet elevated. It is a little better than it was late Sunday and on Monday. ICE bath sounds scary, but I guess I will have to try it. I should have done the cold on Saturday right away...oops.

    I assumed it was from from pushing pace a little at end of half marathon Saturday morning. I had pushed pace at end of some long training runs and had no problems, but just not that intensely. Of course it was not smart move with a marathon on Sunday morning, but it was fun anyway.
  • JOHN! You MUST try an ice bath!!! I was terrified the first time I did it, but once I realized how beneficial it is... OMG. It's now a staple in my recovery after long runs! And it isn't nearly as awful as it sounds - once you've done it once and experience how beneficial it is, it's SO much easier to get in it the next zillion times! Definitely something you have to do immediately after your workout, though. Right now, it might be helpful to freeze some water in a little paper Dixie cup and tear the top off and rub on the offensive spot... I'm with Ryan on the DOMS - Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. Mico-tearing in the muscles that mean you are building muscle - which is a good thing! It's the worst 2-3 days after, so you're almost there! Nothing to really do but wait it out (and ice next time... You can save the bath for the 2.5 hr runs... ;-).
  • Oh, and on the ice baths - I've found that you don't need water at 32F - just cold tap water ~55F works just fine, in my experience. To be honest, I never had the balls to try a tub of cold water further chilled by ice - they get small enough in 55F water as it is image

    Seriously, though - Jess is right. The first time is frightening, but within a few seconds, it's actually much better- almost luxurious. After that, they get easier, and you figure out how to balance getting in quickly with not being so quick as to cause your entire body to tense up all at once (feet first, butt second with bent knees so most of your legs are out of the water, then one leg at a time)

  • Note: make sure you wear running shorts or bathing suit or underwear on your bottom half with a warm top on your upper. A warm drink is also nice. After I shower and then stretch. Talk about shrinkage.
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