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Correct way to zero powertap before a trainer session

For you powertap users, how do you zero your powertaps before a trainer session? 

I used to do it with the bike loosely in the trainer clamp but without the resistance unit applied to the rear wheel, then for some reason several weeks back I started zeroing it with the bike clamped in tightly and the resistance unit applied.  Now I am starting to wonder if zeroing it with the bike fully clamped in has affected my power readings. 

Searching the internet so far has revealed only a single comment that the resistance unit should not be appplied to the wheel when zeroing the unit. 

What do people here do?

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  • from the book.

    IMPORTANT: ZERO TORQUE
    Frequently the torque must be zeroed to ensure the most accurate power
    information is displayed. If the current power display is positive or
    negative while coasting the the torque must be zeroed. This operation
    must be done while stopped with no tension on the chain, no tension
    placed on the pedals, and the transmission icon must be illuminated. To
    zero torque:
    1) Press [MODE] to scroll the cursor to the top line of the main display.
    2) Press [SELECT] until current power function is displayed.
    3) Hold [SELECT] until the word “WATTS” begins to flash to enter the torque
    function.
    4) Hold [SELECT] again until “0” is shown.
    5) Press [SELECT] to return to current power. The current power function
    will now read zero while coasting.
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  • If you get readings of zero when coasting, does that mean you're good to go? I honestly don't remember the last time I zeroed my Joule....
  • @D:  makes no mention of whether bike should be in trainer or not or clamped in or not.  What do you do?

    @K:  powertap will not give negative readings,  only a zero value, so seeing a zero reading doesn't imply that zero offset is ok. I believe the recommendation is to zero before every ride. Apparently also the autozero function (if enabled) will only work properly if you have manually zeroed prior to riding.

  • I can't remember the last time I did this but will do it this weekend to see if I need a manual zero...My understanding has been that the newer PT and Joule combo requires less of a need for manual zeroing compared to older versions.

    From the Joule User's guide:
    1. Press and release the [MODE] button until Main mode is displayed.
    2. Press [JOYSTICK] in and release to select Sensors.
    3. Press [JOYSTICK] in and release to select Power Sensor.
    4. Press [JOYSTICK] up/down to highlight the Active Sensor. Press [JOYSTICK] in
    and release to select the Active Sensor. Note active sensor is designated by a
    check mark next to the sensor name in the sensor list.
    5. Make sure the power sensor is awake. For PowerTap and IC Power sensors
    rotate the hub/wheel at least one revolution. For ANT+ sensors see that sensor’s
    user guide for information on waking up the sensor.
    6. Press [JOYSTICK] up/down to highlight Manual Zero. Press [JOYSTICK] in and
    release to select Manual Zero.
    7. The raw torque value, offset and fi rmware version will be shown. If the raw
    value and offset value does not match a manual zero should be performed.
    8. Press [JOYSTICK] up/down to highlight Manual Zero. Press [JOYSTICK] in and
    release to perform Manual Zero.
  • IMHO Clamp/ing should not have an effect....it doesn't apply tension/torque to the drive train...thus should have not impact on power reading.

  • I don't have a joule and rely on my 910xt to zero the unit, but i don't believe that makes too much of a difference.  I have the newer G3 hub, but I thought that frequent zeroing is recommended.
  • @JL: on *other forums* people sometimes attribute spurious powrtap readings to clamping the hub in too tightly in the trainer (rightly or wrongly, I'm not sure) , and some have also implied that you can ruin the hub if its clamped in too tightly (yikes!). I should probably email saris to get a straight answer, but I was hoping someone here had already done that.

  • I have never zeroed my PT, which might explain why the numbers seemed off last night. I pair PT with 310xt. How do I calibrate ?
  • If its like the 910xt you go to bike settings, select the bike (if there is more than one), ant+power, then calibrate.  It should give some number (i think between 500 and 524) and tell you calibration is successful.  Note this isn't really 'calibration' just manually zeroing the unit.  My FTP has been steadily heading downhill since I started zeroing my unit, so be warned.
  • Mine doesn't allow me to calibrate. It won't highlight that option.
  • The PT hub needs to be activated first, so spin your rear wheel to wake it up and the calibrate option should light up (it does on mine).
  • @Satish. Thanks that worked. Not sure what it did but said calibration successful

  • Satish, it really doesn't matter where inside or outside I just wake the thing up if starting out or out on a roadway in the middle of a training ride.
  • Just recently became the proud owner of a PT G3.  Had been using TR for "virtual power" for my weekly FTP and VO2 workouts.  Thought my FTP was 250 (per 20/20 and 5/20 tests).  However, when I got the PT, tests revealed my FTP is at best 200 (nearly died for 20 mins with Pnorm of 212).  So, I was rather bummed and began investigating possible explanations (other than my own weakness!).  So, I've scoured the forums and cyclops site and found same info others have provided.  Spin wheel to wake it up.  Wait until it stops.  Calibrate.  It should tell you "successful" and I usually see some number in the 500s.  

    Still convinced my FTP was not really in the mid 200's, I went so far as to do the formal calibration test using a heavy weight on the pedal with the back wheel clamped by the brake.  Found with this tedious test that my PT is slightly off (should be within +/- 2.1%, and it is +/- 2.6%.  I accepted that as good enough for me (middle of the pack AG'r).  If you want to do this, PM me and I'll find the link.  

    It is a little frustrating that there is not much out there on how to do this.  Seems like if you have a Garmin (like me) and a cyclops/PT PM, no one wants to take the onus.  Cyclops says consult your computer maker and computer makers say consult your PM maker!

     

     

  • My virtual power numbers were off by about 50 watts compared with the PT. the mistake I was making was zeroing the hub with the bike fully clamped into the trainer. Don't sweat the FTP! We all have to start somewhere !
  • @Jeff- your PT number is YOUR number! It doesn't really matter what the 'absolute' number is. What matters is that it gives you a repeatable number to train and race with. The fact that it is 50W different that your Virtual Power number is pretty much irrelevant. The Virtual Power is great in that it give you a number to train with if you don't have a Powermeter. But it is just an estimation of your Power. Change TR to read your Powertap and don't look back. Retest with your new Powertap. Accept your new number as YOUR number and train with that. Your Powertap is a much more reliable of a tool than Virtual Power and you will also soon be taking it outside.
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