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sorry for posting here but no one answered my RR questions.

 

I completed my first RR for a HIM on 5/19.  I couldn't do one earlier due to work conflicts.  Some good and some bad and quite a few questions for those who have been there before. 

 The Objective:

 Time: 2h 32 m       Distance: 51.57 (made it back to the car and didn't want to ride more)   Elevation: 1000 feet

FTP: 260W       Target: 208-215W (80-82.5%)         Avg HR: 153 bpm (max on FTP test was 183 bpm)  

VI: 1.02

Avg Cad: 82  Avg speed: 20.3

TSS: 140.3      IF: 194/.74 (177/.68 for first 24 minute warmup, 198W/.76 for the remainder of rideime: 2h 32 m         

Run: 26 minutes,  Distance 3.15 miles

Nutrition:  Breakfast: 2 hours before ride: Coffee and sticky buns x 2. Not ideal but it really tasted good!!

                 During ride:  Infinit Isis:  500 calories total during the ride...perhaps the pH balance wasn't right as I am a dude drinking a drink designed for girls ;-)  But hey, it was free.

                Run:  Infinit Napalm 2 servings.

Subjective: 

The ride felt quite good which really surprised me.  It remains a bit challenging to hit 80% FTP not because of difficulty generating power but rather the roads were a bit beat up in sections.  The sections that were smooth, I flew.  Never felt tired and stayed in aero approximately 95-97% of time.  All that time in aero this winter really made it comfortable to stay in this position.  Interestingly my HR averaged 153 bpm which is a bit higher than the 141-144 bpm that I get when I ride my 2 hours ABP ride indoors.  So physically it wasn't too much of a struggle however I began running out of nutrition after hour 2 and had to stretch it.  I read on the site that 150-200 calories per hour was recommended for HIM so I aimed for 200 cal/hr.  In hindsight I need at least 250 as that is what I typically consume in races.  Also drank a total of 76 oz during the 2.5 hours.  I urinated approximately 2 hours after the bike ride and it was quite concentrated. 

Unfortunately the run was a dismal failure which I suspect was due to the lack of calories.   Legs felt tired but I hit the first mile @ 7:45/mi (MP+30 sec).  At that point it was over as I just didn't have any energy.  Struggled over the next 2 miles at 8:30/mi without water or nutrition so I called it quits.  I didn't have any specific physical issues or cramps so I don't think that my inability to run was due to undertraining or overbiking.  Just my old nemesis, Mr. Bonk. 

Questions:

1.  Should I consume 250 or 275/cal per hour?

2.  How much more fluids should I drink per hour?

3.  When I rode ABP x 2hours on the trainer @ 82% my HR was 141-144.  Here it was definitely 153.  Do you guys think it was elevated due to dehydration (although it was pretty consistent at this level early on) or just because I was outdoors (an it was 72-80 degrees for the ride).  What HR should I follow when I race.

4.  I was very happy with my VI but the course was definitely flat.  Do you guys notice that it is a little harder to hit your target NP when the road are a little chipped up or am I being a wuss?

Thanks.



Comments

  • Okay, where to begin? 500 cals for 2.5 hours is 200 cals per hour, and not enough. The MINIMUM for calories is 250/hour, and personally I suggest using training to push that limit up. I would target 300 cals per hour as a gel every 40 minutes; on race day and training rides you do the first one at the 10 minutes done mark (yes, this early), and then drink your stuff around it. I recommend Powerbar Gels (good sodium) and regular concentration of your sports drink of choice…you might want to use what's on the course if that's possible.

    On the fluids you drank the equivalent of 30 oz per hour, I suggest you shoot for a 24 oz bottle every 30 minutes…so race day would see 5-6 bottles, or 120 oz vs 76…again, needs to be practiced and makes using on the course nutrition that much more important.

    HR is elevated for both outdoors and the temps; ride your .75-.8 watt range where you feel comfortable on the day and note your HR in that space…you know between 141-144 and 153 is okay….anything over 153 is danger zone.

    Hitting targets is much harder on crappy roads; it's a fact of life. Be sure to hit the lap button every 30' on race day, etc, so you can refocus the VI and IF on relevant and not "legacy" numbers!
  • Patrick

    Thanks for the reply.  I will target the higher cals and reintroduce the gels.  Unfortunately I got the 150-200 cals/hr from the wiki (which was linked to the Week 18 HIM plan).  

    http://members.endurancenation.us/Resources/Wiki/tabid/91/Default.aspx?topic=Race+Execution,+Half+Ironman

     

  • On it...fixing away...thanks KML.
  • Got a question for this week. I just completed my "A" HIM race (which went well) and am transitioning into IM Intermediate Plan Week 11. I am surprising minimally sore. I am also working nights this week. This week calls for a big training day on the weekend which is not feasible for me (due to recovering from night shift and family obligations). My thoughts for the week:
    Mon: Rest
    Tues: Easy Swim Monday's workout or Rest (if still sore)
    Wed: Long ride (best day this week to workout and to maintain SAUs) but uncertain as to time?
    Thursday: Swim Tues workout and Sat's run (30' LRP, 30' @ MP)
    Friday: 90 minute Long run
    Sat: Either Mon's 3% 18' incline run or Fri's stride run
    Sun: Wed's bike and Swim Sat's workout

    Thanks
  • I need to make an addendum to my above post. It is now Tues and I am much more sore today than yesterday. There will be no way to do a long ride tomorrow. Perhaps rest tomorrow (and see). On Thursday if I feel better, I could do a longish ride (likely on trainer for a 2-3 hours as it is supposed to rain hard). I can shift everything back a day and skip the Sun planned ride.
  • @KML, you need to TAKE A WEEK OFF AFTER YOUR RACE!!! I would go light until the weekend, when you can pick up the plan with the scheduled Sat / Sun workouts!!!
  • Got a question for this week's 150 minute IM week 16 run. I am working in the ICU this week which means I get home at 7 pm and get up to start my next workday shift at 6:15-6:30 in order to be in at 0700 (Amazing how close I can cut it and not be too late). This Wednesday is the planned day for the long run as my partner covers me in the afternoon which brings up my problem. It is supposed to be about 89 degrees (real feel 97 degrees) on Wednesday @ 2 pm. Unfortunately because of my wife working that day I need to be home around 530-6 to take care of the kids. So my question is this. . .do I still run the 2.5 hours in the heat of the day at the recommended pace or would 2 hours be enough. Another option is to run on the dreadmill which I actually like, but this is quite long even for that. Obviously I am afraid of the downstream effect however I am okay with running the entire time. These ICU weeks are always a "semi-rest week" with less duration for me as I cannot handle the physical load of training with the mental load of work. It forms a great natural break every 4-5 weeks. For the weekend rides, i am planning on riding on the trainer after work for 2.5-3 hours on Sat and 1.75-2.25 hours on Sun (ABP). Thx.
  • @Kar-Ming I say that you plan on outside, but you have to dial the effort back. Basic guidance is 3" slower per mile for every degree over 80 degrees. So you "should" be running about 27" slower per mile...and you need to hydrate like crazy, so make it a loop run with plenty of fluids...
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