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Week 16, IM Plan, IMCDA coming up!

rejiggered my schedule and instead of doing RR#1 this past weekend (end of Week 15), I'm pushing to this coming weekend (end of Week 16). also, for family reasons, i'm doing the RR on Friday vs. Saturday. How should I modify the week (if at all)? I should be able to train ~2 hours on Sat and Sunday after the RR on Friday. Thinking i might move the long run to Sunday vs. long run Thurs + RR the day after (Friday). thx for your input!

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  • @Mike totally good call to move the LR to Sunday. So Thursday is the "normal" Friday swim...then Friday is RR. Saturday is an easy 60-120 minute spin, nothing hard here...could be off if you are BEAT! and then LR on Sunday. Monday is swim only...Tuesday you might have to do the run for time only (not intensity)....then Wed is back on track!
  • Coach P -- posted this in the IMCDA forums as well:

    i had a ROUGH bike power test this morning. had not tested since the end of the OS where i came out at VO2 of 300 and FTP of 247. was able to squeak out ~275W during the VO2 section and had nothing left for the FTP section, so just ground out ~190W for the 20 min section



    it's pretty clear my legs are cooked from all the running i've been doing -- which has been going great. for example, i hit all 3 mile intervals at Z4 yesterday and had a great long run on Sunday am. biking intensity on the other hand has been a challenge ever since the OS. have not been able to summon the mojo to consistently hit FTP intervals, so i would not be surprised if my FTP has dropped, but fatigue is certainly playing a part. unfortunately, i wasn't able get in my first bike+run RR due to family+work stresses the past couple weekends. my long bikes have been going fine and i've been able to hit the 20-30' race pace plus intervals (based on an FTP of 247) with no issues, so I am not worried about the bike at CDA, I'm just not sure i have an accurate gauge of my FTP at this point -- and not sure I'll be able to get one before the race. by the way, my swim times have consistently improved since i got back into the pool post-OS, so i feel good about that.



    i'm considering doing RR#1 this weekend and following it up with RR#2 next weekend, which i think will really help my confidence and is probably the best way to dial in my true FTP at this point. let me know if you all have any suggestions -- thanks!

  • Yes to RR on both and don't worry about the drop in FTP, as you noted it's b/c you are doing the right work! Here's some reading...

    http://www.endurancenation.us/blog/bike/fatigue-ftp-your-final-weeks/
  • Coach P -- just coming off a successful IMCDA (Race Report in draft form now!), but looking for the recovery protocol over the next two weeks. I'll be in California on vaca this week, so could do some ocean swimming -- even have my wetsuit along! Then back home during the week of July 4th. Signed up for an HIM in early Sept and previously have had trouble "getting back on the bike" after A races in the past. What IMCDA taught me is that the bike leg is my limiter, so want to avoid another prolonged no biking stretch. Swim went better than expected and run went about as well as I expected (except for absolute best case scenarios). Thx for your help!
  • @Mike congrats again!! Here's the main post Ironman / 70.3 page for you to delve through:

    http://members.endurancenation.us/Resources/Wiki/tabid/91/Default.aspx?topic=Post+Race+Process+&+Steps

    Rest is critical right now, some swimming is okay but lots of stretching, hydrating, etc...the only action I would take if you are SERIOUS about your next race is really rein in your food consumption as that can hurt you down the line if you overeat! Talk to me in 10 more days!!! image
  • Hey Coach P

    I'm in week 15 of the Int HIM plan. have some last minute travel adjustments to make since my family and I will be at a friend's lake house this Sat and Sun (biking will be a no-no those days). I should be able to do an OWS one day and 60-90 min run the other day. For biking, I'm actually planning to ride ~80 hilly miles to the lake house on Friday and plan to do my long run on Thursday. What would you recommend for the Friday bike session in terms of intervals / intensity (I'm coming off IMCDA, so will be able to handle the volume w/out a problem)? Sat OWS -- how long? and Sun Run -- intensity?

    Thanks!
  • @Mike, 80 on friday should be a negative split effort; last 40 stronger than first....but last 20 is your best. Have to be cautious given long run on Thursday. OWS is all you, go crazy. Sunday run is 75 to 90 minutes, including 20 minutes at zone 3 effort, your choice of when that happens, rest of run in Zone2.
  • Hi coach P -- curious how to adjust Week 1 of the OS. Did a 5k race this morning that I'll use for my vDOT and would like to do the bike test on Monday with everyone else. Just add a speed day running on Wednesday? Thanks!
  • Mike, if you tested the run early, then you will want ideally TWO days before the bike test as Day 1 = OFF, Day 2 = a 45' easy spin @ Zone1 to Zone2 levels, include 3 x 2' (2') at goal FTP in the final few minutes of the ride. Then it's test on Day 3. 

    So if you tested Sat on the run, then you are pushing the Monday bike test to Tuesday. 

    Wednesday is a 45 minute run, where you essentially do the Sunday workout here (and again on Sunday).

    Thursday and the remainder of the week is done as scheduled!!!

  • Will be traveling next Tuesday, so would prefer to do a run that day and move the bike wko to another day. I'm going into week 4 of the NOS. How to rearrange?? Thanks!
  • @Mike, you can swap Tuesday's bike with Wednesday's run...so double bike on Wed/Thurs -- for one week that's okay. Multiple weeks is not okay...
  • Coach P -- about to hit week 9 of my second OS with EN and had a great FTP bump (202-->242) and would like to continue the momentum on the bike and go with a bike focus for weeks 9-13. Haven't run tested yet, but I vowed to improve my bike this year to catch up with my run (w/kg of ~3 vs vdot of 50+). Reading thru the bike focus, it looks like we do the Sat wko twice and the Tues wko twice. That obviously excludes the Thursday wko -- just wanted to make sure that's how it was intended (ie no 110-120% of FTP work at all). Is that right?

    Anything else to watch out for in gong for the bike focus?
  • Mike, THANK YOU for this...I just sat down and spend an hour fixing that OS Modification Chart...please re-download it and check it out...you are now Double Sat and Double Thurs...much better!

    https://app.box.com/s/it9qcgfle46rqp8i0u0t
  • Thx Patrick -- just to be clear for the Intermediate OS, the weekly schedule looks to be:

    Mon: off
    Tuesday: Saturday bike wko + short run
    Wed: normal Wed run
    Thurs: Thursday bike wko
    Friday: 35-45' run w/ strides
    Sat: Sat bike + short run
    Sun: Thurs bike wko + normal Sunday run

    The only one I wasn't sure about was keeping the Sunday run with the repeat of Thursday's bike on Sunday. Will probably stick to w/u + main set only for those to keep the time commitment low(er)

    Thanks!
  • @Mike, yes keep it short OR keep the time and dial back the intensity...I would let your body / warm up be your guide on how to call those session...don't FORCE them by any means!
  • Hey Coach P

    in the final build for IMTX and unfortunately won't be camping with y'all this year (maybe next year!). i also missed the Big Day this weekend battling a stomach bug. other than that, the past few weeks have been solid and I feel really good about my fitness across all 3 disciplines. Question for you is whether I keep moving on with the plan this weekend (4.5 hr bike on Sat, plus 3 hr bike on Sunday) or "make up" the missed Big Day. If the latter, would appreciate thoughts on modifying the rest of the week / next week to incorporate the Big Day.

    Thanks!
  • Mike, no worries on no camping!! I will have lots of content from the weekend, so make sure you are in the IMTX group so you'll get notified about it. As for the big day, it's really a gut check of total fitness, durability, discipline, pacing and nutrition. It can be a fun adventure / change of pace from your regular training as well. I recommend it for first timers just to see what it's like to be out there for THAT long...and to bike / run after swimming (does the nutrition hold up?).

    If you were to go big day, you would go regular through Thursday's run, then shut it down Friday with big day on Sat, Sunday off.

    IF sunday is the big day, then regular week through Friday swim (no run) Sat off, Sunday big day, Monday off, then back at it...

    Let me know what you think!

    ~ P
  • Hi Patrick --

    6 weeks out from IMTX and need to juggle a few things in the coming two weeks.

    First, due to personal issues, I may not be able to get my long ride in this weekend. Should be able to get some decent time (2-3 hours) on the trainer, but may not get outside, so volume may suffer.

    Second, my family and I leave for Belgium this Thursday evening for 1 week (back Thursday, Apr 17th). I'd like to do my RR #1 this coming Thursday before our flight to Belgium and then should be able to do a couple long rides after I get back (no work Fri, Sat, Sun Apr 18-20). Could you provide guidance on what to do thru Sunday Apr 20, assuming I don't have bike access while in Belgium?

    This is what I'm thinking:

    Mon (4/7) -- planned swim + run
    Tues (4/8) -- bike interval + run
    Wed (4/9) -- swim RR#1 (4400 yds) in the evening
    Thurs (4/10) -- RR#1
    Fri (4/11) -- Rest Day after Flight from NJ to Belgium
    Sat (4/12) -- Long Run
    Sun (4/13) -- Swim + run
    Mon (4/14) -- Swim + run
    Tues (4/15) -- Run Intervals; extend the run to 90'
    Wed (4/16) -- Swim RR#2 + run
    Thurs (4/17) -- travel back to NJ
    Friday (4/18) -- bike intervals + run
    Saturday (4/19) -- Long bike
    Sunday (4/20) -- Long run

    back to plan for Week 17...
  • Mike...exciting trip!!! Hope you guys have fun...your plan is good...here are my thoughts, if you can make them work, to allow for maximum return weekend bike...

    Mon (4/7) -- planned swim + run
    Tues (4/8) -- bike interval + run
    Wed (4/9) -- swim RR#1 (4400 yds) in the evening
    Thurs (4/10) -- RR#1
    Fri (4/11) -- Rest Day after Flight from NJ to Belgium
    Sat (4/12) -- Long Run
    Sun (4/13) -- Swim + 45' run with strides.
    Mon (4/14) -- Swim Only - can make it a long set if you want up to 90 minutes.
    Tues (4/15) -- Run Intervals, total run no more than 1 hour.
    Wed (4/16) -- Long Run (from your "planned" sunday)
    Thurs (4/17) -- travel back to NJ
    Friday (4/18) -- bike intervals + 45' run with strides.
    Saturday (4/19) -- Long bike as planned
    Sunday (4/20) -- ABP ride as planned.
  • Coach P --

    coming up on RR#2 in advance of IMTX on May 17. for family reasons, need to move my RR to Sunday from Saturday. what modifications should I make to this week's training?

    In general, I'm feeling quite good about my swim & run, less so about the bike. I would like to limit the hours on Saturday if possible.

    For your reference, here's what on the docket:

    Today: Run intervals + Swim tempo (done)
    Wed: Bike intervals + Run tempo
    Thurs: long run
    Friday: Swim RR + Run w/ strides
    Saturday: RR#2 replaced with???
    Sunday: RR#2

    Thanks!
  • Friday Swim RR only, Sat = 45' run with strides, mostly Zone 2. Then Sunday RR and Monday off....
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