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Eagleman on Sunday, Heat & Humidity

Hi Coaches!

Racing my first 70.3 as an EN team member this upcoming weekend. This will also be my first time racing Eagleman.  Ive heard it is a notoriously hot and humid race, especially the run where there is little to no shade.  For the past 5 weeks (since becoming a member) Ive been training the HIM Advanced program.  I feel significantly stronger going into this race than my prior 70.3 races, but am concerned that the heat and humidity will have an adverse affect my performance.  Im fairly confident I have my nutrition down to where I can perform at my best, I just wonder if I should take some extra precautions in case the temps do have an impact.  Any suggestions? 

thanks,

Danielle

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  • Hi Danielle,

    I've asked exactly this question recently, and this is what I got:
    Training:

    - If you can train in heat to acclimate and get used to the heat; there are physiological adaptations and learning. Learn what you can do in the heat (for nutrition, for pace) without running into trouble. I have to dial the nutrition way back and the pace way back.
    - Electrolytes - salt-stick or endurolytes - help a lot in training and racing
    - Pacing is everything - there is a race-heat calculator and some guidance here:
    http://members.endurancenation.us/Resources/Wiki/tabid/91/Default.aspx?topic=Race+Execution
    ... and a thread here:
    http://members.endurancenation.us/Forums/tabid/57/aft/6807/Default.aspx

    Racing:

    - Dial the run pace way back, and ramp up gradually.
    - Lighter on the nutrition, esp toward the end of the bike and on the run
    - Ice at every aid station - under the cap, ... wherever you can put it

    Equipment:

    - Considering cooling arm sleeves ...

    Bottom line:

    Adjust expectations, and be conservative on first-half run pace.
    Hope this is helpful...may be stuff you know.

    Russ
  • thanks Russ. I typically take a salt tab every hour in moderate humidity, do you think if temps are off the charts I should up the number of tabs or increase the frequency? I live in No VA, so I have been training in the heat and humidity the past week (90+), but my times and energy levels were dreadful. In fact my 2.5hr ride/20 min run brick yesterday was atrocious...I could barely keep an 8:30 pace on the run and was extremely overheated when I finished. Im also afraid I am going to be so worried about the heat that I over drink on the bike and have the sloshing belly on the run. Im definitely going to check out the links you provided, thanks image
  • Wish I had definitive answers... heat changes the game. It changes it for everyone, typically increasing the field spread - slower races are impacted more than faster racers.

    If you're not cramping then you're probably getting enough electrolytes. Whether a tab an hour is enough ... depends ... if you're drinking sports drink and getting electrolytes there as well then a tab an hour is enough. If you want you can up it a bit - your body can filter out a little extra if it needs to.

    Race execution clearly becomes even more important in the heat:
    - Whatever have in the tank on race day is what you have to work with - race execution begins with simple acceptance of the limits.
    - If it's hot, make your goal a strong finish - prioritize a strong finish over an optimal time. Start thinking this way toward the last ten miles of the run.
    - Take advantage of absolutely anything you can to keep the engine cool - the longer you can keep your temp down, the longer you'll feel strong.

    Absolute pace and power numbers like those we work with every day at EN are great and useful, but if you attempt to race to those numbers when either the body or the engine are not up to it, then you will pay the price in the second half of the run. My advice - don't be discouraged by the slower times - this is what heat does - take it as information. Heat will impact everyone who is racing, and if you're running past people on your way to the finish in those last three miles then you'll feel like the race was a success regardless of your absolute paces.

    It's also entirely possible that you get a cool and drizzly day...

    Have a great race next weekend - I look forward to hearing how it goes.

  • "Start thinking this way toward the last ten miles of the run."...

    Meant "Start thinking this way toward the last ten miles of the bike."

    Makes more sense that way.
  • GReat advice. hoping for that cool and drizzly day but if not, my last 3 miles strong will be the focus of the day. Thanks again!
  • Great advice already. The only other thing I'd add that is specific to Eagleman is to take extra care to hydrate on the bike more than you probably think you need. The wind on that course will whip away your sweat and you may not feel like you are as hot as it really is.

    Oh- and enjoy the gatorade flavored snow cones that they hand out around mile 7- it's a life saver.
  • Gatorade flavored snow cones, now thats motivation to get to mile 7!  Planning on 2 (30oz) bottles of Infinit Go Far on my bike and picking up a bottle of water at an aid station...typically Im good with the 2 bottles of Infinit for 56miles, so Im adding in the extra water bottle for additional hydration. Hopefully this will be just right and not too much, Im really nervous about over hydrating and getting the sloshy belly on the run.     

  • Russ, I downloaded the heat pacing chart and Im unable to input data (hour, temp, dewpoint, etc). Is there a trick to getting my relevant data into the spreadsheet? Im not the most tech savy image. I really would like to get an idea of what pace I should be running to remain consistent and strong throughout. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Danielle
  • After coming off a hot humid race at Quassy this weekend, I can affirm that Russell is giving excellent advice here - both in how to adapt your race execution and how to mentally accept how you will need to modify your goals for the race. Do that an you will have a great day regardless of the conditions.
  • Top goal is to pee 1x on the bike; I recommend drinking more in the first hour of the bike, then settling in. If you are taking water, you MUST take salt as well. I don't know what salt pill you use, or what you are eating to be able to say "that's sufficient" but aim for 1,000 mg per hour across ALL SOURCES.

    I updated that Heat Pacing sheet.....please download the newer one here (same link as before, new file): https://www.box.com/s/0sh530z6qjcf8k0oe4cc
  • are we organizing a Groupme for this race? I'd love to meet up with everyone....
  • Coach P,

    MY nutrition on the bike looks like this: 2 (30oz) bottles of Infinit Go Far, 1 salt tab (S!Caps) every hour, HS Waffle at mile 20 and 40. For Run,: gel and water mile 1, S!Caps and sport drinks throughout run, another gel around mile 6-7. I was successful with this nutrition plan at Timberman last August, but didnt have to contend with any humidity and the heat was moderate (low 80s and shaded areas on run).

    Thanks for the updated link, will try and input data this afternoon.

    I too would love to meet up with fellow ENers!!
  • Okay, here's a quick review of the bike. I am estimating a 3 hour ride, with your total calories coming in at 880 (293/hr) and sodium in at 1,891 (630mg/hr). 

    My two main concerns: 

    • On a hot day you want 1,000mgs of sodium per hour, ideally through the foods you are consuming, not supplementing. You will need to either spike your GoFar or increase your sCaps to every 45' vs every hour.  
    • On a hot day, you need to get in a lot of fluid up front to compensate for the work done in the swim. Your goal is to exit the bike not having lost any water weight, and that includes the swim. I aim for 2 bottles an hour on race day, so a hot day means 3 bottles (yes 60 oz) then back to regular hydration. So whatever your normal rate is (I am guessing 20 oz / hour), you will want to double that early...and since that will most likely be water, you will need to supplement it with sodium to get it to work in your system.

    For the run, you want to eat when you feel good, not set on a planned time or distance. If you feel good in the first 4 miles, you might have your gels there and be relatively done....your body loses the ability to process food as the day goes on and you get more dehydrated (you lose a lot of water on the run). 

    • Plan on walking 30 steps at each aid station to get heart rate down and drink your fluids (more sports drink preferable to water).

    Outside of food / fluids, you need to keep your core body temp down on that transition between bike (it has wind chill) and the run (much slower than your bike). Final 10 miles of the bike should be all about getting cool and wet with aid station water. 1st aid station on the run is the same (try to keep your shoes dry). 

    Good luck!

  • Is there am eaglman group this year?
  • I did eagleman in 2011. heard several bike tires blow in the transition area on Saturday (I tend to have -5-10 lbs air in my tires anyway just 4 such occasions, etc). I agree with the hydration and nutrition info above.

    doing eagle man this year also and would like to eat  or just meet some en folks. i'll probably just wear an en shirt at least on fri and sat.in the race areas. will drive the bike and bike the run along with attend some of the talks. I don't come on the en website often enough. i'm mostly an email guy.

  • My cell is 512 619 6038. Text if group pics or such. Staying in Salisbury
  • guess what, guys, its raining! I do not think it will be too hot on this race.
  • Danielle, Patricia, Jim - just wanted to wish you a great race - look forward to reading the reports out the other end!
    Russ
  • Jim and Danielle... send me your phone numbers and I'll make a group me for us to commnicate.

    text me at my cell written above
  • I'm here in Northern VA and yes it looks like we may end up with a great day to race, low 80s and overcast!!! My cell is 571-217-2452. Thanks Russ for the well wishes!

    Danielle
  • I just added you. this is a new app for me so let me know if it works.
  • Go Team!!! Pics please! Bonus points to Patricia for starting groupme on her own (very proud of you!)
  • Thanks!
    Danielle let me know if post worked. Otherwise you can download app on I phone but it should work by text on any phone
    Thanks Coach! Competition is stiff!
  • Guys, retext me. Number i put in for Danielle was not correct. Hard for me to re-find
  • Yes, I didn't get it. My cell is 571-217-2452. Hope it works this time.
  • group me is up and running. Jim if you want to get together with us let us know.

    we would love to hear your thoughts about your experience last year.

    cheers!
  • I wish I had seen this thread b4 race day! I ended up meeting Danielle by chance in line at the massage tent (nice to meet you, Danielle!) but I wish we had been able to connect everyone for dinner or at least a pre- race pic!

    Hope you all had a great race... I started writing my race report today, but not done yet. image Can't wait to read about everyone's races!
  • Kortney, it was so nice to meet you too!!! So glad you had your EN top on, made it that much easier for me to intro myself. Still haven't written up my race report yet as I'm trying to get over my disappointing time image. Looking frwd to reading everyone's reports!

    Danielle
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