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How long should my long run be?

I posted this question earlier this week under a run forum but got no response, so re-posting here:

I'm certain that this has been covered but cannot find:
In training for a HIM, my plan calls for a 120 min run. I did yesterday according to pace prescribed, but would've gone over 13 miles if I did not cut it short. What is protocol for this? Keep running (14-15 miles) or stop at 13ish? Don't see a reason to beat the legs up more than needed....

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  • Brad - Our unit of measurement for running and biking is time.  The plans prescribe a certain "volume" based on time vice distance because everyone runs at different speeds.

    To answer your question -- keep running for the prescribed time.  (Caveat: unless the plan says 'extra if time available' such as in the Outseason and GetFast plans....)

    Here's why the Coaches give us time vs. distance.  Take two runners, Fast Fred and Slow Sam.  Fred's Z1 pace is 7:30/mi and Sam's is 10:00/mi.  If the run were given in distance, a 12-mile run would take:

    • Fred: 90 minutes
    • Sam: 120 minutes

    You can see that Sam's legs will get more beat up than Fred's: increasing his risk of injury, burnout, etc.

    If you are concerned about beating your legs up because you feel an injury coming on, then, as Rich says, "Do the Smart Guy thing and don't follow the plan into a brick wall."  In this case I would reach out directly to the coaches through the Micro Thread or weekly chat to discuss and resolve.

    If, however, it is just the distance number that is causing you concern, try not to worry about it.

    Hope this helps.

  • Brad I agree with Joe, some training plans have you running 15 miles for a straight out Half mary so you KNOW that you have it in you. Use the same idea.
  • At the risk of blasphemy...I never go over 12 miles when training for a HIM. I would rather leave that fuel in the tank for the next workout. Unless you have never ran that distance before (unlikely) you don't need to prove to yourself that you can do it. I say stop at 12 and then hit it hard on your next long bike. OK, let the flaming begin.....
  • Ha ha.. @ Steve no flame here the beauty of this place, unlike some other on line forums, your entitled to you opinion.
  • @Steve ... OK, I'll bite. For me, the purpose of the long runs is not to prove to myself I can go the distance, but to build the strength to go as fast as I can over the whole distance. An HIM or HM is a different race than 26.2. Its a good combo of speed and strength; Those "extra" long run miles give me confidence I can hold my speed the whole way on race day.

    Speaking of which, good luck in your upcoming 26.2 ... We've both got work to do so we can tip our steins in Bean Town next April.
  • I actually agree with ALL of the posters above... But I'll give you my interpretation of the nuance. If your A-Race is the HIM and you are trying to 'get fast' and go hard, then there is certainly some benefit of getting the extra rest or saving the juice in your legs to go 'harder' for your next bike or run making sure that you really hit your main set intervals. BUT, if my real A-Race is an IM later in the yr and I just have the HIM plan loaded up for an interim HIM along the way, then I'll definitely do the whole time and maybe even bump it up to 2:15 or even 2:30 because my eye is really on the IM prize... I don't think either approach is wrong. You need to try to be aware of how your legs respond to the stimulus and your history of durability or injury risk...
  • Thanks guys! All really helpful info for me. I can clearly see both sides of the argument. This season consists of 2 "A" races...both HIM's. looks like I'll take the approach of mixing your recommendations.

  • Posted By Steve Swanlund on 08 Jun 2013 09:17 AM


    At the risk of blasphemy...I never go over 12 miles when training for a HIM. I would rather leave that fuel in the tank for the next workout. Unless you have never ran that distance before (unlikely) you don't need to prove to yourself that you can do it. I say stop at 12 and then hit it hard on your next long bike. OK, let the flaming begin.....

    For go hard and fast peeps during HIM run, it really is not so much mental reason for going overdistance on the long run. It more has to do with being able to carry that fast speed over entire distance of 13.1 and not fade at mi 9-10. Chronic, weekly 2hr long runs, for faster peeps 15-17mi long, do just that. When you add EN flavor to them, they do become extremely powerful tool, but they do carry substantial recovery cost. That has to be weighed in. it will affect a downstream workout if not careful, overachieving or conducting them in very hot/humid conditions.

  • What JW said: if you have an IM downstream, I would consider these over distance runs (ie, you're getting in >13mi in a 2hr run) as base building/general prep/durability for the IM training to come. 

    If I didn't have an IM downstream, I'd cap the long run at about 1:45 (that's just me) because if I'm racing a half, I'm racing a half because I want to train and race for a half = I'm not interested in running longer than about 1:45 just because. I'd rather cap that run at 1:45 and make it more challenging within that fixed time. Kinda like how one of the (many) reasons that people race HIM vs IM is because they don't want to have to commit to 7-8hrs on the bike every weekend. They'd much rather be done by 10a on Saturday and 8-9a on Sunday 

  • Both this year and last year I was training for HIM and maxed out my long runs at 90 minutes. That ended up as 12.5-13 miles depending on the run. More than that and I worried about injury because the year before last I did a handful of the 2-hour runs and got injured. A 2 hour run is around 17 miles for me and didn't seem worth it. My problem on the runs in the actual race is not fade at the end since I run very even splits and almost always negative split the run.

  • Posted By David McLaughlin on 08 Jun 2013 09:50 AM


    Ha ha.. @ Steve no flame here the beauty of this place, unlike some other on line forums, your entitled to you opinion.

    Unless, of course, it is wrong.

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