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SwimSmart Feedback from IMCDA Folks?

We've had our first execution of the Ironman SwimSmart initiative with the conclusion of 2013 Ironman Couer d'Alene. 

Based on the info from Ironman live, it took just 15 minutes to put all the athletes into the water at Ironman CDA. And the results, according to tri data enthusiast Raymond Britt on his blog, suggest that swim times in 2013 were not only faster than 2012, but faster than the average of every year since 2010. 

But speed isn't everything (I say to a forum full of folks who love carbon fiber like it's oxygen)......I would really like to hear what veteran IM athletes think about how the swim played out compared to previous races. Any and all info welcome...thanks!!!

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  • I didnt do the race, but I checked out the 65-69 guys, and saw that three guys I know very well,each of whom have done that swim a number of times, were faster in the water than they have been in years ... We're talking about guys who routinely win or podium. Either a short course, I thought, or maybe there is something to less crowding. I found the tipping point to be somewhere around 1900-2000 swimmers; once things got above that point, times started to be affected MOP.
  • I have not done the mass start thing, but I have done wave starts and I would say the "rolling start" in the SwimSmart program is a bit of a hybrid.

    They made a fairly big deal about it in the athlete meeting and stressed that there was no point in trying to "game the system". If you were a slow athlete you were not gonna get more time by self seeding in front. The new rule basically says you have 17 hours from your start to get home. If you crossed the timing mat at 6:45 AM, you had until 11:45 PM to be off the course. That being said, they kept the finish open and Mike Reilly did his thing until Midnight. So, maybe some people got a finishers medal, but the computer will show them as DNF if their total time was over 17 hours. Basically, no way you could start and 6:45 AM and then finish at 11:50 PM before the midnight deadline with a time of 17:05 and be an official finisher.


    All that being said, let's talk about execution. They set up corrals like a marathon start. The groups were "Sub 1 hour" (some were calling them the Dominos Pizza Group - "60 minutes or less"), 1:00 - 1:15, 1:15 - 1:30, 1:30-1:45, over 1:45. 9:20 AM was still the official cut off time.

    The beach was open all morning for warm ups and splashing around. The Pros went off at 6:00 AM and 6:05 for the women. Shortly after the Pros were gone they asked that we start getting organized. Once we were seeded, they removed the ropes. There were no barriers or dividers now. We were now a mass of about 2300 people tightly packed and organized by ability down the beach with the swim start inflatable with timing mat at the East end. When the gun went off at 6:35 AM, the human mass surged through the narrow timing arch in one big wave. Think about the movies when army paratroopers jump out of a big plane in mass. It was like that.


    I thought it was efficient, safe and still awesome to behold. I am a reasonably strong swimmer. I seeded myself near the front of the 1:00-1:15 group. According to the official race results, that seeding had me in the water 44 seconds after the gun went off.

    My RR open water swims in the SoCal ocean had me at about 1:06 so I thought I was fairly placed. My time at CdA was 1:07. That was good enough for 404 overall. I still worked hard for the first 300 meters and had a few bumps and brushes, but no worse then any wave start I have done. I swam the first lap in 00:32:36 and the second in 34:32. I think the difference was the hard start and then a combination of perhaps fading a bit with settling in on the second loop.


    I also don't think the course was short. Certainly not in a meaningful way. Those splits are on par with my other 1/2 Iron swims. My Garmin file from my 910 is here. It shows 2.7 miles with a little bit of zig-zagging, for what it's worth.



    I think one of the contributing factors to faster times in addition to the start was the water temp. It was 61 degrees. The water was warmer than the air at the start. I was in a full suit with a neoprene cap and was completely comfortable. At the end of the swim, I was nice and toasty, in fact. I didn't hear a soul complain about the water temp.

    As far as the impact on the race, I am probably out of my depth as a rookie mid-packer with no goals of a podium slot, but I don't think it impacts the race. There is a lot testosterone that is saying this kills Ironman for them and that the battle at the start is all part of it. I don't agree that you need to survive a massive human scrum to be an Ironman. That may piss some people off, but it's just my opinion. It doesn't really matter. It's here now.

    Look at how the NFL protects it's players with rule changes. It's just how things go in sports and it's probably for the best. I would feel terrible if someone's IM dream went down the drain in 30 seconds after a year of training because through no fault of their own they got kicked in the face or elbowed in the jaw.  Now they are out before they even got started???

    If you want to feel like you are really racing the people on the course, seed yourself to the front and then don't let anyone pass you. If they do, look at their leg and decide to mark them or not. Or start last, and work your ass off to catch every man on the course....

  • Thanks for outlining the logistics of the race start in such a descriptive manner Dino. This is the first time I've really been able to wrap my head around what they have been talking about. Will be interested to hear how others feel as well.

    Can someone remind me, in prior years, was IMCDA a beach start or an in water swim start?
  • Thanks Al. So, it sorta seems to me that in the end, the start really didn't change too much. It's still a beach start- it's just a much better organized beach start.
  • I have a buddy who is a mid-50:00's IM swimmer (55 min at CdA this past weekend) and his take was the fast crowd (sub-60) hated the rolling start at CdA because they had to swim through more slower swimmers on lap 2 than in previous years.

    He said everyone else loved the rolling start.
  • Lots of positive support for the rolling start on Slowtwitch including from sub 60 min guys. Even more importantly, some vocal naysayers came online and recanted after experiencing IMCDA. Comments also made about reduced bike drafting due to the swim start.
  • I thought it was great. It was my first, so I don't have mass start experience. I seeded in the 1:15-1:20 toward the front center. Aside from some incidental contact on the first lap/turn buoys, it was relatively un-eventful. Second loop was even better, but I swung wide anyway.

    The bike was also fairly clean, didn't see any big groups staying together. People around me were playing it straight.
  • Thanks for the info from everyone! We had lot's of discussion about this at the LP camp and the major concern was the need to rush out of T1 to seed yourself and then wait around for an hour. Did anyone find this to be the case? Could of leave T1 10-15 min before close and still seed yourself where you wanted to be?
  • Dino and I did a race report podcast for his IMCDA race and we spent a good bit of the podcast discussing this new swim start protocol. The podcast will be up early next week so be sure to check it out.

  • @joe - no need to rush to seed yourself. It was very mellow. Many splashed in the water up to the last moment.

  • Posted By Rich Strauss on 30 Jun 2013 12:55 PM

    Dino and I did a race report podcast for his IMCDA race and we spent a good bit of the podcast discussing this new swim start protocol. The podcast will be up early next week so be sure to check it out.

    Did he discuss falling on his face?  If so, I will listen to it.  That was pure gold!!! 

  • Thank you all. This helps me understand what Placid will be like.
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