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Adjusting running pace for temp and HR

I'm sure this has been covered, at least in part, but cannot find. So I was thinking yesterday while running in 85F degrees and humid conditions: For a race, in my case 2 HIMs this season, should I be adjusting my pace for change in HR caused by heat, humidity or just hilly conditions? It seems to make sense that my Z3 or Z4 cannot be based on times alone since my HR in "unfriendly" conditions will be higher. Looking 2 weeks out, they are forecast weather in the 90's for Vineman 70.3. also racing an Oly this weekend and forecast is hot/humid. Thoughts?

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  • Best to use a combination of HR, RPE. For me, high Z2, low Z3 works for HIM; for Oly, mid-high Z3. Ignore pace.
  • Agree with Al. This year I have been playing around with my run workouts as they are at least 3 a week. I, like you, want a number however the ever changing heat and humidity changes things daily. I'm in NJ so we are not that far apart. I have been playing around with reducing my workout, pace, by 2-10 percent according to the heat index of the day. It gives me a number something to shoot for and I'm learning more about my own capabilities with this heat so when I race, as in last weekend, I have a good idea as to how not over cook myself.
    Since you are training record the temps and your own pacing numbers just for the fun of it you may learn something.
  • Thanks Al and David. First off, I meant Z2 & Z3 (not Z3/Z4!!). I think I new the answer to this but was helpful to hear it from you guys as well. Did my long run this am in humid conditions, and aside from some hills, has little problem hitting zones (by time) and was validated by HR and RPE. But for some reason, other days these other factors play a major role. It seems important to know when it is time to back off so not to blow up.
  • I just go the answer from Coach Patrick as I posed the same question. 3 sec slower/mi for each degree above 80 degrees.
  • @Kar-Ming - wow that is an exact answer! Interested how he came by that formula...
  • Not sure. I had planned on trying it out for my long run but the temps were nice and cool. Unfortunately my legs are like lead so I did the entire run at my LRP. Couldn't go faster if I was being chased by a pack of zombies :-(
  • 3 sec mile seems a bit harsh for me, as we had 80 degrees and humid and I was dyin'. Different strokes, I guess. (reason x plus 1 why I have come to appreciate the treadmill sometimes where x is the number of things I have to think about to motivate myself to get on the thing.).
  • I have been looking at this exact topic.  One thing I have found is it is more to do with the dew point.  Since I read it on the internet, it must be true.  But....I have "felt" the difference.  Add the temperature and the dew point.  130-149 the tough workouts will be pretty tough but doable.  RPE will be higher but manageable, obviously the lower the better.  Above 150 and hold on.  It's definitely a challenge.  Tough workouts will be hard to finish.  I did an easy run off the bike while it was a combine score of 155.  81 degrees and 74 dew point.  I could barely manage z1 pace with RPE around zone 3 and HR in the 170s.  25-30 beats higher than normal.  Today I had a combined score of 142, Dew Point of 69 and temperature 73 and the 2 x 1.5 mile z4 intervals were hard but not crazy.  Both intervals happened to be slightly faster than z4 but more because the RPE was not as hard as it has been.

    Even last night's run with a combined score of 150 wasn't too bad (81 t and 69 D).  RPE much lower than the 85 Temp and 75 Dew Point nastiness.

    One of the suggestions is don't reduce pace or effort.  Just reduce the amount of time doing the interval.  That is a tough one for me to take, however.  What's better several intervals to get my session in or reduce the speed to do the session and it's prescribed time?

  • I'm with you on the dew point.  Nothing evaporates in DC right now.  I mean nothing.  My cycling jerseys weigh five pounds when I come back inside.  T shirts drenched in 15 minutes @ z1.

  • Humidity is my killer. Feels like I need a water filter on my lungs around here these days
  • Here are a couple of runs that I have done this week.  Course is along the same route.  Both 8 mile runs.  One at 78 degrees with 73 dew point.  The other at 71 degrees with 69 dew point.  I have two other runs but one was at 86 degrees at 71 dew point and that really skews it for the worse.  The prescribed runs were 2 miles warm up, 5 miles steady and last mile z3.  I took steady to be z2 MP. 

    Run 1

    Entire run: 58:05 (8.02 miles) 173 AVG HR.

    Mile 1 is 7:32 for NGP 7:43 Skewed because warm up mile always is all over the place.

    Mile 2 is 7:56 for NGP 7:27 Avg Hr 163 Max 168

    Mile 3 is 7:04 for NGP 7:43 Love the downhills. Avg Hr 167 max 171

    Mile 4 is 7:05 for NGP 7:09 avg 172 max 175

    Mile 5 is 7:04 for NGP 7:00 Avg hr 176 max 180

    Mile 6 is 7:15 for NGP 6:54 Avg Hr 179 max 184 Ugh, up hills.

    Mile 7 is 7:25 for NGP 7:08 Avg hr 181 max 185

    Mile 8 is 6:36 for NGP 6:55  Avg HR 184 max 188

    Run # 2.

    Entire run: 57:08 (8.01 Miles) 164 Avg HR.

    Mile 1 is7:38 for NGP 7:49

    Mile 2 is 7:52 for NGP 7:37 

    Mile 3 is 6:59 for NGP 7:10 Avg Hr 158 Max 162

    Mile 4 is 6:54 for NGP 6:59 Avg Hr 164 Max 167

    Mile 5 is 6:57 for NGP 7:00 Avg HR 167 Max 172

    Mile 6 is 7:04 for NGP 6:42 Avg Hr 167 Max 173

    Mile 7 is 7:07 for NGP 6:51 Avg Hr 170 Max 174

    Mile 8 is 6:30 for NGP 6:37 Avg Hr 176 Max 180

     

    After running in the heat and seeing the RPE very high for paces that weren't hard earlier in the year.  A cool day and some looking over data is very much a confidence booster.  Both efforts were good efforts.  But a few degrees in temperature and dew point are very big difference makers. 10 HR beats is a lot for RPE as the second run felt awesome as the first felt miserable.  The first run was fresh as I had not run in a few days.  Run two was after 4 of the same exact runs aka...not fresh. This is very telling for me and glad I saw this.

  • I forgot to mention run number 1 has 83% humidity. Run number 2 started at 100% and dropped to 95% by the end.
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