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Hey Coach P - I'm in my final week prior to NYC Tri (olympic distance). I've been in "Get Fast Intermediate" since EagleMan but am wondering how best to taper for this last week. After taking the past two days to rest, I'd like to get a 1 or 2 hard bike and run sessions in but am unsure when / how many I can get in. Thanks! 

My past four days have looked like this...

  • Thursday - BIKE 12' On 
  • Friday - 3x1mile (5') @ 5K pace
  • Saturday - Rest (feeling lousy; food poisoning)
  • Sunday - Rest (feeling lousy; food poisoning)

Comments

  • Also, just in case it's unclear the race is this Sunday, July 14
  • @Rob, not sure what you did today, but you could do the following:

    * Tue -- 60 minute Interval bike 4 x 8 (4') @ FTP; Run off the bike for 15' as 10' in Zone 4, 5' in Zone 2.
    * Wed -- Swim; your call (I like main set of 10 x 100 at race pace with 20" rest).
    * Thu -- EZ Bike of 30', followed by Tempo Run of 30'. 15' @ zone 4, then remainder in zone 2.
    * Fri -- Swim, your choice.
    * Sat -- Day OFF, carbo load.
    * Sun -- RACE
  • Great thanks. I did a ride of 2x15' (4') @z4 plus 5' "ON" today. Feeling pretty decent now so can likely still follow this plan.
  • Coach - Question for you on my training for this week. I'm in week 3 of Advanced OS. I had to travel to Korea this week for work, so I missed the Tuesday and Wednesday workouts. Here's what I'm thinking / questions I have on how to finish out the week:

    Thurs. (today) - AM Bike 2 x 12' (4') @ z4 --- DONE. This was the Tues. wko. Felt pretty tough but hit 1.01 IF for both. Total ride 55'; no added time at z3.
    Thurs. (today) - PM Run 3 x 1mi (5') @ z4 --- I plan to do this about 7hrs after this morning's ride. It's the Wed. wko.
    Friday - Plan to take Friday off to rest legs prior to weekend workouts.
    Saturday - For the bike wko, should I do the 7 x 2' (2') @ z5 or the scheduled 2 x 12' (4') @ z4 + 2 x 15' (2') @ z3 ? Should I add the 50' out and back neg split run?
    Sunday - Plan to do 3 x 1 mile (4') @ z4 + rest at z2

    Let me know what you think. Thanks for advice.
  • Scratch that... that Thursday PM run getting moved to early Friday AM. Legs are feeling heavy and sore just walking around my apartment.
  • @Rob, given the Thursday run now to Friday, I say go Sat with the Threshold work only...and maybe cut Sunday back to 2 x 1 mile. We want work but we don't want to overload you!!!!
  • Coach P - I'm in Week 5 of OS and think I need to retest my 5k. z4 starting to feel pretty easy. Thoughts on testing this Sunday? Planned Sunday wko below.

    MS: 3 x 1 mile (4') @ TP/Zone4/Hard. Remainder of run is how you feel, but try to accumulate more HMP/Z3/Mod-Hard time.
    Coach Notes: Creating a 75 to 90 minute run from this run, where personal and physical bandwidth allows, is recommended. Simply settle into a pace between LRP/Zone1/Easy and MP/Zone2/Steady.
  • @Rob, you can retest but you can also just bump zones by 10" per mile and go form there...or dial the vDOT up 1-2 points. I am not sure about you testing after the Saturday workout. IF you think it's da bomb and you can crush it, do it...but if you are beat you can SWAG it using the calculator!!! Nice work on the improvements!!!
  • Yup, feeling somewhat beat after yesterday's wko. I'll bump up the vdot and take it from there. Thanks!
  • Coach P - Question for you on how to structure the remainder of my HIM program to put priority on improving my biking.

    I just did Syracuse 70.3 last week and am still lagging a bit with my bike time. I'm a strong runner - I can consistently get 1:30 or lower for the 13.1 run - but am still struggling to get my bike time down - got 2:45 at Syracuse this year, about where I've been in the past. I've got 6 weeks until Timberman and I'm hoping to really dial in my bike strength. Through some convos on the forums, some have suggested that I add another bike session to bring it to 4x a week, and maybe lose one (or even two) of the run wkos in the process.

    What are your thoughts on this and how should I structure my week? Should I add more time to my Saturday bike? Maybe something like...
    Monday - Swim+ easy run
    Tues - Bike
    Wed - Hard run
    Thurs - Bike
    Fri - Swim
    Sat - set bike prog (maybe up to 4hrs w the typical sets at FTP + sets at 80-85% and remainder at 70-75%) + brick run
    Sun - set bike prog (typically 2.5hr at 80-85%)

    Thanks for the help!
  • Rob - before we begin handing out extra homework for the bike, I really like to know where execution is that for the race. I'd love to see a file for a breakdown of where your effort goes and how well you're actually riding it.

    Raising your bike strength only gives you more watts to play with, but if you're not using any of them properly to begin with its really no good.
  • Hey Coach P - I must admit that my execution on the bike at Syracuse was terrible - or at least according to my Cycleopps - which seemed to crap out on me a few times during the race. I honestly stopped looking at it closely after about an hour since it seemed to give numbers that weren't accurate. This hasn't happened to me much in training, but my training has been very flat for the most part and keeping steady watts is pretty easy. Not the case in Syracuse.

    With FTP at 220, goal was 82% so 180 watts. For the first 45 min, which consisted of a 1100ft climb, I was OK with VI of 1.03. From then on, the descents etc. made it tough to stay near goal watts, which brought me to push a bit harder on flats immediately following (straying from plan here...). After initial 45mins, my power meter seemed to be off, often showing much lower numbers (like sub 100) while I was pushing at a decent effort. This threw me off my plan and I started hammering on occasion to see if the meter was off or if I was just struggling. Even hammering would do little, but then it would spike up after a pretty long delay. At this point I basically threw my plan out the window and decided to ride hard and forget about the meter.

    Long story short, my meter and my effort was all over the place for the last two hours. I ended with VI of 1.17 and NP of 151. File here: http://tpks.ws/Babq

    At Eagleman in 2013, a much flatter course, I rode VI 1.04 with NP of 135. File here: http://tpks.ws/YEfG

  • Solid ride just really NOT how we want to do it. I'd rather have you focus on fixing your PT (new hub batteries is step 1) and learning how to ride hills. Timberman has a few short steep ones then like 18 miles TT out with wind and false flat on the way back...before a few short hills. Is there ANY hilly stuff you can ride in your hood?
  • Makes sense. And yes, while it's more of an investment, I can get over the GW bridge and ride some hills in NJ. Seems like it may be a better use of time than trying to add another ride to the week. My NYC Oly on Aug 3 has some good hills that will serve as a bit of practice too. Thanks for the input.  
  • Hey Coach P - I'm trying to navigate my HIM program with some travel next weekend (July 19-20) that's going to keep me away from my bike (I can still run and swim however). Would love some thoughts on how best to do this. Got a little bit of time to nail down, but figured I'd get this sorted sooner than later....

    Program has me doing the below. Again, I can't bike on Sat or Sun. I can make time for a long ride any of the other days however. Thanks!

    Mon, July 14 - Swim/60'; 8 x100 4x200 2x300
    Tues, July 15 - Swim/60'; 6x 400 (30")
    Run/60'; 2x1mi (2') @z4
    Wed, July 16 - Bike/80'; 8' (2') @ z4 + 12'(3')@ z4 + 20'(5') z4
    Run/20'; z2 out, z3 back
    Thurs, July 17 - Run/120'; 80'@ z2, 15' @ z3, 25' final push
    Fri, July 18 - Swim/60'; 5 x 500 (30")
    Sat, July 19 - Run/30'; 1x1 mi (4') @ z4 & remainder @ z3
    Bike/210'; z4 work & z3 work
    Sun, July 20 - Run/30'; 1x1 mi (4') @ z4 & remainder @ z3
    Bike/150' @ z3
    Mon, July 21 - Swim/60'; 16 x 100 & 16 x 50
    Tues, July 22 - Run/60'; 2-3 x 1 mile (4') @ z4
    Swim/60'; 6 x 500 (30")


  • I should mention that this will be week 16 of advanced HIM plan...
  • Rob - sorry i was on the road. I say that you do the Sat ride on Friday (no brick) and then get a 45' run with the Sat Run interval in it and do the missed Friday swim...your call on which weekend day makes the most sense for those options!
  • Thanks Coach. Hope the MT camp was as awesome as it looked. One more question as I look a little further out... what should my week look like prior to my Oly NYC tri (Sun, Aug 3)? It's an A-race for me (hoping to get in top 5 AG), but it'll also be week 18 of Advanced HIM plan (which has a RR bike w brick). Maybe do the RR and brick on Saturday just over a week prior and then start to taper? Thanks for thoughts.
  • I think you are saying to do week 18 instead of week 17, get the RR in then do week 19 for NY triathlon week and repeat it after, and then week 20. I suggest that you skip week 17 and do week 18, then drop in SC plan, to end on NYC for that week...then after the race back to HIM. Thoughts?
  • Ah, OK. That makes sense. I'll do that. Thanks!
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