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Tues. GF Hill Repeat WKO Questions

Starting the GF plan this week and in reviewing the plan, I have a couple of questions...

1) is there a reco on timing the Tuesday bike and run wkos? Should they be done as a brick, run first or separately?

2) can u do hill bounding on a treadmill, without killing yourself? If not (or if I'm just to skeered to attempt it) what would be a good treadmill substitute until I have enough daylight to do the wko in "the real world"?

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  • @Kim - thinking back to when I did GF last year, coaches preferred run before bike to maintain good run form. As far as hill bounding, I remember watching a video of coach P (I think) demonstrating and then I attempted to do the same. I'm not a big treadmill fan to begin with, but I could not even imagine doing this on the treadmill!
  • Kim, I wonder if you could imitate the power nature of bounding with a stairs workout? No clue if that would be an acceptable substitute, but I feel like trying to bound on the treadmill has "youtube video" written all over it....
  • Ok, so the thought of bounding on the TM doesn't just sound like a bad idea to me.... But I might get a lot of Youtube views if I were to attempt and catch on video.

  • Posted By Rachel Hawe on 10 Feb 2014 09:43 AM


    Kim, I wonder if you could imitate the power nature of bounding with a stairs workout? No clue if that would be an acceptable substitute, but I feel like trying to bound on the treadmill has "youtube video" written all over it....

    +1. I think one major benefit of the bounding is that it is like a drill. The two things being drilled ... high knee lift and spring from the calf muscles. I have found that simply doing "high knee lift running in place" has the same effect. Try this: stand in front of a mirror. Take 30 steps (30 x R+L leg) lifting your knees to waist level each time, landing on your toes, and also pumping your arms, at a brisk pace. Rest an equal amount of time, start with 4 sets.

    The one thing this doesn't do is  add in the 10 seconds of sprinting at the end of the bounding.

  • (1) Ideally separate, but not required. We don't get picking about combining bikes / runs until we are within 8 weeks of your "A" race...before then separate is preferred if possible!

    (2) x2 re Al's version of hill bounding. That man just saved you from becoming an animated GIF that lasted until the end of time (or YouTube). No worries on the sprint portion of it....
  • I'm just finishing up the Adv. GF Run plan.  I've been doing all my workouts on the treadmill due to ice and snow in NJ.

    You have to be really careful with the bounding and then the sprint on the treadmill as they state in the plan.  Warm up, set speed at less than Z1 with incline at 2% so I wouldn't end up falling off and can stay on my toes while doing the bounding.   After that I would decrease incline to 2% then kick the treadmill speed up to Z5.  Sprint, then ramp back down to Z1 for 1-2 minute recover and repeat.  

    With me doing this sequence it worked pretty well but it is a rather complicated series of button pushes.  Although, once you get the pattern down and can reproduce it quickly it works pretty well.  In most cases I would sprint up to 20 to 25 seconds.  

    A tough workout for only 45 minutes.  I was usually soaked 10 minutes into the bounding.  

     

  • Darren, i think the workout is suppose to be a skills run, not a hard workout, especially with the next day being intervals. Might want to look at Al's post above with Coach P's endorsement.
  • I tried amy own modification to this last night. Did 45" intervals at 4 incline at Z4 pace x 6 and that was work. Tonight's run wasn't good so I'll do one of these other recos next time, until I can flippin' get outside!
  • I did not make modifications to this workout for the treadmill. As Coach P has described it.. "Hill bounding is speedwork in disguise". Bounding is not meant to be easy, but builds strength and durability. The way I've performed the bounding was as described in the workouts and was as I've always performed them back to my early days of running on the park hills for cross country practice. Slow pace, high knee, exaggerated pumping of the arms while pushing off with the power leg and using the recovery left to drive you forward.

    Coach P actually has a nice page demonstrating the technique. http://www.patrickjohnmccrann.com/blog/project/tip-3-hill-bounding

    I may have been using a higher knee then what is demonstrated with his video, but 8 repeats of 50 seconds of bounding up a 5% grade followed by a 10 second sprint will make you sweat. I was never blasted when finished, but it is still a good workout.

  • Thanks Darren. Appreciate your explanation. I will try your version, if I do not hear back from Coach P by next week. Just do not want to waste the workout, but I also do not want to cook myself for the next days interval run and swim.
  • Sure.. no problem.. be careful on the sprint though. As Coach P says.. you don't want to become an animated gif on the web.. Ha ha..
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