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Coach - I was (key word) in the JOS and going strong, but fractured my tibia skiing on President's Day.  Luckily it was not a very bad fracture.  I went to my three week appt. today and got the green light to start back on the trainer and in the pool, pain permitting.  The doc says it needs another three weeks to heal before I even think about trying to run on it.

I am supposed to be in Swim Camp starting today and then transitioning to the HIM Plan beginning the 17th.  I am registered for the Kinetic Half Distance tri on May 10.  If I can run without pain, I want to still try that, particularly given that I have two months to go.  

Here is the question (I think it's a "micro" and not a "macro" question):  What should I be doing for training right now.  As I said, I have to go fairly easy, so I'm not sure I should be doing the Swim Camp and then starting the HIM Plan next Wednesday.  That said, I REALLY want to start doing something. 

 Thanks.

 

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  • Coach -- Thanks for the guidance on my last request, but it was for not! Although the leg was feeling much better, the concussions symptoms were still pretty severe and the doctor advised me not to do anything. It seems like that is all behind me finally. I ran today for the first time to test the leg (inside on a treadmill). The run was SLOW -- 1.5 miles at 10 min. miles, but it was pain free. I have also been on the trainer a few times and in the pool (boy was that painful). I should be able to manage the biking and swimming demands of getting back into training, but want to ease back in the running.

    Per my season plan, I'm in the HIM Intermediate plan on week 16 of 20, although I haven't done any true training for the past 8 weeks due to the injuries. I'm scheduled to do the Kinetic Half Distance Tri on May 10. Depending on how increasing the running feels, I want to try to do it still, though I will go into it with no expectations of a PR.

    What is your advice for ramping up the training again?

    Thanks for the guidance.
  • John - your focus and discipline is incredible. Thanks for sharing your journey with us. Given the race is just four weeks away we don't have a lot to work with in terms of time. I'd like to see you get on a basic routine will be have you swim twice a week then do several short runs ideally in the 30 minute range...maybe about 5 to 6 of those. The bike can be race specific: in other words I don't need you to do FTP intervals, but I do need you to write steady for the bulk of the ride. All looking for here is consistency and steady effort that is a notch above where you are right now.

    If we can do that, you should be able to incrementally build up pretty quickly to the point where you'll feel pretty good in that final week before your race… The key will be how much you let yourself to rest before the race kicks in.
  • I laughed when I read your comment about focus and discipline. It feels like the only thing I was focused on and disciplined about the past 8 weeks was eating like I was still training every day and drinking like I was still an enlisted Marine! I got on the scale last night and it said "one at a time, please!" Time to shed some of the extra baggage and get back to a "respectable" Clydesdale weight! Thanks for the feedback. I'll let you know how it goes.

  • Sounds a good plan. Good luck!
  • When it rains, it pours! I had a couple days of running, which felt great. But, I stubbed my toe against a car tire today and broke it pretty badly (you have to love looking at your toe when it's pointing in the wrong direction). I need to follow up with a specialist tomorrow. It's unlikely that I will need surgery, but I need to give it a few weeks to heal. I'll reach out for some guidance once I can start doing something. Kinetic is definitely out now.
  • Ugh! Did that in 6th grade...it's a slow first few weeks...plse call me when you get your update from the specialist. 6175133830
  • Coach - I'll try to call tomorrow, if that works. The toe is improving slowly. I can now wear a normal shoe, and got the green light to get on the trainer (which I've done a couple times for short rides) and the elliptical (which I've done two times). I don't see why I couldn't swim also, as long as I don't kick or push off a wall. I think I still have about 3 weeks before I'll be cleared to start running. I look forward to talking.

    John
  • I can't remember if we've talked yet. If not give me a buzz tomorrow Monday: 6175133830
  • Coach - I went to the Dr. this morning and got the green light to start running again in two weeks. My plan until then is to swim and bike, and replace the running with the elliptical so at least I'm getting in some sort of work. I know you said I should move to the short course plan since I'm pretty much starting from scratch again, but the workouts seem a little low, so I was looking at cobbling together some more substantial biking and swims from the half plan that I would be in without the injuries. Does that sound reasonable?

    Once I start running, I will have about two and a half weeks until Tri-Rock Philly. After two broken bones and (what will be) sixteen weeks of recovery, I have no expectations of surviving Philly, but I'm going to do it nonetheless. I figure I should just train through the race since it's an Olympic distance. After that, I need to ramp up the training, lose the injury weight, and find another half to do - injuries prevented me from doing the Kinetic half and Rev3 cancelled W. Virginia.

    I welcome any thoughts you may have on my plan (as crazy as it may be).
  • I get crazy....as long as it's balanced with keeping you healthy. :) if you map out what a week looks like I can advise you. Just keep the runs short and frequent. Bike and swim as you want.
  • Ok, coach. I've been following the short course plan to get healed and in anticipation of TriRock Philly in two weeks. The swims have been great. The bike has been ok - it's been a mind f$&k to get my head into the work. The runs have been relatively pain free (I get numbness in my foot from nerve damage when I broke the toe). The longest run I've done is 2.25 miles this morning @ ~9:10/mile pace. I've been hesitant to add on too much too quickly and get injured again. I'm going to try 3 tomorrow, although I'll be out of town and it's a very hilly route. I'd appreciate any advice on increasing the running in the next two weeks before philly to get ready? Gracias.
  • John we want 4 runs of 2.5 miles this week, 1 or 2 can be off the bike. Total of 10 miles. Next week is 2 x 2 mile runs (Tuesday/Thursday) both off the bike. All steady pace. Your goal should be to prepare for a really steady run, no flash, and a smart bike as well. This is your welcome back race!! :)
  • Thanks, Coach. I appreciate the run guidance. No worries, there will be no "flash" coming from me this race.

    Quick question on the bike during the race. I couldn't find any guidance in the Wiki re the proper power range for an Olympic race. Philly has several short steep hills, as well as some corners, but otherwise is a good course. What percentage of FTP should I be shooting for during the race?

    Thanks.
  • 90% to 95% -- working that hard you still need to be very very steady...you can't spike to 130% a few times. :)
  • Thank you. I've got some work to do in figuring out this steady thing. I appreciate the guidance.

    JFH
  • On e you get it, you'll never lose it!!
  • Thanks for all of the guidance. With only three weeks post-injury to train, I consider Tri-Rock Philly Olympic a success. My swim and bike were each 1 minute slower than last year, but my run was 1 minute faster! I had quicker transitions, so I beat my time from last year by a minute. This was my first race with power. My bike stats were: NP 245, VI 1.16, max power 714 (I have to pull my 250lb buttocks up the hills, you know), average speed 18.7, max speed 37.4, IF .90, TSS 105.5 (my FTP was 272 before I got injured). The run was 1:07. I'll take it given that the longest run I've done in the past three weeks was 3 miles! Now I need to find another race!
  • John - FANTASTIC. that's a great result considering the lead up...should be a solid confidence booster. Now let's get you on a manageable training schedule that you can complete consistently!
  • Thanks, it definitely was a confidence booster! I have no races scheduled right now, so I was planning on dropping into the Get Faster Plan until I figure out the rest of the year. I will likely have to pare back the distance/duration of the runs for a few weeks, though. Sound good to you?
  • Totally sounds good. You might want to check in with Coach Rich in the Macro for some quick adjustments!!
  • Patrick,

    This is long, so I’ll bottom line the question: Am I doing myself a disservice by running faster paces than called for in the workouts?

    Last season I dealt with several injuries that derailed my season (a couple are detailed above). Unfortunately, I did not watch my food intake and put on way too much weight (up to 260 lbs). I am starting to run myself back into shape, and can feel myself getting stronger on the run, together with starting to drop weight (6 lbs last week).

    According to my 5k test last week (which I feel was legit) and the EN calculators, my zones are as follows: Z1/LRP: 12:40; Z2/MP: 11:01; Z3/HMP: 10:46; Z4/TP: 10:18; Z5/IP: 9:53. Vdot 30.

    Sunday’s OS run called for the following: 60 min run -- MS: 2 miles @ HMP/Zone3/ModHard, 1 mile @ LRP/Z1/Easy to recover, then 4 x 1/2 mile (2') @ TP/Zone4/Hard or best effort. Remainder of run is how you feel, but try to accumulate time @ MP/Z2/Steady.

    My run Sunday felt really good and was my best run in months. The total time was 1:10. As the run progressed, I hit better numbers than called for, and ended up with the following: 2 miles - average 10:05 min. v. target of 10:46; 1 mile - 9:27 v target of 12:40; 4 x 1/2 - ~ 9:40 v. target of 10:18; Remaining ~ 10:05 v. target of 11:01.

    My sense is that I am not doing anything wrong by running faster than the specified paces as long as I am able to keep up the work, but I wanted to check with the source!

    Thanks.
  • John - thanks for checking in. The funny thing about the 5K test it that it is a very good predictor of the fitness you can sustain. Individual workouts, or individual data points, are very appealing to look at but could lead you down the wrong path (injuries, etc.).

    In other words, it's very easy to overachieve now but I really want you to be a rockstar when it's time to race. With that in mind, I suggest that you focus on overachieving in only one area of your run. Perhaps just intervals, or just the half marathon pace, but not ALL of it. :)

    It's also worth noting that every pound you lose it's worth three seconds per mile. Sometimes that's a lot easier on your body than training hard.
  • Thanks for the input. I'm trying to slow the run down, but that effort is not always successful!

    I'm thinking ahead and have a question about the Blue Ridge Parkway Camp. I'm signed up for the camp, which runs from April 29 to May 3. Since I signed up for that camp, I signed up for the Raleigh 70.3 on May 31. Is the camp too close to the 70.3, or will we be able to adjust my schedule in a way that allows me to handle both? Thanks.
  • John, as you get fitter you can move the pace to the halfway point between zone one and zone two. For example if your zone one pace is eight minutes and zone two pace is seven minutes we could call it seven minutes and 30 seconds and be alright.

    That gap is totally fine for your race, we might want to adjust what you do after the camp. It's such a big event in terms of your overall fitness as well as your fitness at the end of the year and even next year in 2016. It's that important!
  • I figured that was the answer regarding the camp, but wanted to make sure. I am looking forward to it!

    Re the pacing. I will be adjusting my zones. You said in a prior message that every pound lost is 3 seconds faster per mile. I lost 10 lbs in the first week and two days, so I figure I'm looking at a decent gain, particularly once I drop the many more lbs that I want to lose!

    Thanks again.
  • Wow! That's great focus!!!!
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