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Coach p- I am planning a camp week for week 15 of imtx build. I couldn't get to the camp last weekend so I figure I will try and do one wheee it is scheduled in the plan.
I have a couple of family related constraints. The most important of which is weekend soccer with my kids. They have games and I really want to be there for them. So that said, here is what I have come up with.
Monday - regular swim
Tuesday - quality run w the z4 intervals
Wednesday - race rehearsal swim during lunch. I will go to work this day but take a long lunch.
Thursday - off from work. Race rehearsal w 6mi brick
Friday - bonus 112mi ride (yikes.) also off from work.
Saturday - kids soccer. Should be able to get in a regular swim session in afternoon
Sunday - long run

Whatcha think?
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  • @Jimmy, sounds like a plan...a real win-win. I think the only thing that jumps out at me is the Sat PM swim....nothing wrong with just chilling that day with the family before the Sunday long run...a day off on Sat will help speed up recovery post "camp week" as well....at the very least I suggest you leave it as optional!



    If you haven't reviewed it yet, here's the wiki page on Camp Week:  

    http://members.endurancenation.us/Resources/Wiki/tabid/91/Default.aspx?topic=Camp+Week+(Volume+Add-On)
  • So, I just did the race rehearsal / get out and ride the next day pairing. This was an eye opening experience. 6hrs of IF 71 then the 6mi run. At the end of yesterday I didn't want to see my bike again. Today was another 4hrs and surprisingly the IF was .696. And I could have kept going if I had to. The first 2hrs were ragged and I got really hungry but then it got pretty peaceful and easy. Good confidence builder. Nice add to the program.
  • Jimmy - Great feedback and solid takeaways from the program. Don't forget there will also be a fitness boost as well coming over the next couple days… But you have to absorb it first. :-) Be patient during the process and never forget that eating solves almost everything. :-)
  • Ok, so now what?
    I skipped out of work and did a modified camp. Wednesday rr swim, Thursday rr brick, Friday 4hr ride at if .69. Saturday was a rest day for family time. Sunday was 2:15 run with 1hr z1, 1hr z2 and 15min crawling on hands and knees.
    Because ire sted Saturday, I swam today (Monday). It was a lack luster set but that is ok. I'd like to try and get back to my normal routine of running tomorrow morning (Tuesday run). Is that ok?
  • Epic work exhibition point love how you managed to work in some time for the family to… Major props to you on that one. :-)

    Moving forward I would still expect some fatigue on Tuesday especially given that long run. If you had done that run on Saturday I would totally greenlight you for tomorrow.

    As it stands, you can certainly go out and try and get that run in but my guess is it'll end up being a nice warm up to a nice tempo/Zone3 finish perhaps the last third of the run in zone three. Then you be ready to rock on Wednesday.
  • ended up running 1hr at z1, then hit the z4 intervals fine and rounded out with more z1. It takes me so long to warm my run up (achillies and knees) that a 40min run dosent make sense for me. ALso running back to back days is a no go. So I end up running tues, thurs and sat. Tues gets the z4 intervals and thursday gets the build run. I add time each week till I am at tuesday 100min morning session with z4 intervals 40 min lunch session with 1mi z4. Thursday 100min morning session with 60min z1, 40min z2 then 60 min lunch session with 20min z2 20min z3 20min z1. Saturday pre bike 30min za1 30min z2. So peak running time is about 6hrs in a week.
    This gets me to work on time and allows for 8hrs of sleep per night. both critical. I will do the 18mi RR practice run straight thru and be late on that day.

    A set of compromises for sure but the only way I am getting to kona is via the legacy program. And to be eligible for that I need to complete 12 of these things without getting fired. Gotta make it work with my life.
  • Jimmy - I wouldn't even use the word compromise to describe what you've set up; I'd call it a fantastic workaround. The way you've laid it out allows you to get in the work you need in a way that is good for your body and also doesn't disrupt the larger level recovery that you need. Super impressed estimation point
  • well all righty then.
    I am going in to the last bike test before RR2 towards IMTX. I don't think that a bike test would be a good idea. It would have to be on the trainer. Having trouble getting trainer mojo. My guess is that I would not be able to hold even my old number for 20 min. And Im not lowering my target race watts if I miss and I won't be raising them if I hit a higher number. Sooooo - I may just re live last week. Except I will back the run time down a tick or two. Last week was 6 hrs and 38.67 mi and it looks like it will be the run peak in terms of vol.
    So here is what I am thinking:
    Monday - regular swim
    Tuesday - split run. 1:40 before work, 40min at lunch with some z4 in each section
    Wednesday - 1hr bike trainer session in the morning. could go 90min if I feel good. Swim session at lunch
    Thursday split run - 1:40 in morning, 40 at lunch. Both progressive picking up as much z2 and 3 as I can carry. I plan to skip a day of work for RR2 and would prefer to not use a hall pass for the 3hr straight run if I can avoid it.
    Friday - Swim
    Sat and Sunday as written.

    I may be slow but I have 7 marathons and and an IM over the past 4 or 5 years. I know what a 3 hr run feels like. Do you think that the 3hr run is important from a fitness standpoint or is it there to test nutrition and give confidence?

    Thx for you input! And good luck if you are racing boston.
  • amend the above a bit.
    monday swim
    tuesday split run as 1:40 and 50 w z4.
    wed interval bike and swim
    thursday split run as 1:40 and 1hr
    friday swim
    sat and sun as written.
    I was within a hair of 40mi running last week and I want to get over that line this week for the personal satisfaction of it.
  • Jimmy - I think your plan looks good, just make sure you do a really good job of recovery after Tuesday and Thursday. Legs up, recovery boots, chocolate milk… Whatever it takes. These are the weeks that "cost" the most in terms of our body and overall health. Nice work!
  • just FYI, got my 40mi/week of running. 41.25 to be exact. Splitting runs has allowed me to add a lot of running work without melting me down. Prior to using split runs by biggest running weeks ever were 34.5mi. One was in a marathon prep and the other was last fall or imfl. Using split runs on tuesday and thursday I did 39mi last week and 41 this week. Backing down now. I will do my RR#2 next thursday and I need a easy week around it. But I am amazed at how much more ground I was able to cover.

    Will it make any difference come race day? I have no idea but it was cool accomplishment.
  • IMTX questions for you:
    Just listened to your webinar and I have a couple of questions:
    Wetsuit - I am a 1:12 swimmer in a 25m pool in s swim skin over 3800m. I swam 1:16 last november in a wetsuit @ IMFL. I will not podium. If the swim is wetsuit optional, do I wear one?

    Bike recon - I will be in houston on wednesday but it will be fought to get up to richardson on wednesday to ride the crappy part of the course. Could I ride that 15 to 20mi thursday morning if I go easy?

    thx!
  • Skin suit for sure (hold on to kayak pre start!) and yes to Thursday but EASY!!
  • good on the ride for thursday. I have changed my schedule to be able to ride wednesday afternoon but now it is looking like the front that just came in will be bringing rain tomorrow. So if it is raining wednesday afternoon I might register wednesday and ride thursday. If not, I will ride wednesday and register thursday. I am doing very little this week due to work and life and travel so I should be fine.
    swam for 30min today on monday but other than the recon ride that might be all i do all week.
    the rain and cool temps might make us wetsuit legal. when do they make the announcement?
  • Good plan. Just roll with it, remember at the end of the day the ride is only there to make you feel comfortable. A good kung fu movie and a nice cold beer can also do the same thing. :-)

    They will make the announcement on race morning at about 5 AM... So it kind of sucks, but you have to be ready for both.
  • so this race went sideways for me. It could have gotten really ugly but it only got kinda ugly.

    I think that it would be helpful to me to be able to debrief with you. I know that it is not part of membership but I would be happy to pay you for your time.
    Ideally it would be something like this -
    You would take a look at my training peaks data from the past month or two. Then I could walk thru my race plan and what I experienced and you could help me learn as much as possible from this experience. My guess is that it would take 1:00 to 1:30 of your time (30min to research my training leading up to the race and an hour max on the phone.).
    I know that this is a lot to ask and impossible to do for 12 or 20 racers every weekend but again, I can pay you hourly for your time.
    Let me know what you think.
    thx!
  • Jimmy - I debrief everyone after the race so that's not a problem. If it does require extra time I'll let you know. I will need your Trainingpeaks username and password, so please send those to me as a personal message here on the site. I will also need any race data you have, whether it's from your power meter or your Garmin. And finally a link to your race report, which hopefully has detailed information on target zones and actual fueling results.
  • Soooooo
    1) nice race at IMMT.
    Very nice.
    2) I am in week 19 of 20 of a short course program. I am racing an ply on sept 1 and then going right in to the last 12 weeks before IM Coz. I don't really feel like tapering my run vol this week. I will dial it back next week especially by mid week but I am going to keep running this week. I feel fine and don't want the change to IM prep to be as much of a shock.
    Ok. That is what I am going to do and by telling you, I have made it ok to do it.
  • Haha. Just remember to give yourself a few days post Oly to recover before the IM push. There technically _is_ a break between the plans...that's why there are different names. :)
  • I am at the end of OS week 3. I was a few sec slow on the run today and and stupid grumpy. I am hitting my interval times but Feeling pretty ragged getting out of bed in the morning.
    I have a rest day tomorrow.
    Proceed tuesday as planned? or take extra rest.
  • hey cosh - I just powered through. I have a work endured rest day on wednesday so I am hoping that will set me right.
  • We always rest, so let's make sure those other rest days really count! No extra curricular Monday /Friday stuff for a while, okay?
  • No really I am being good this OS!
    No extra stuff and I am getting bodywork done every Friday. From what I see on strata, you are swimming way more than I am.
  • Busted!!!! You got me!
  • mid year check in time.
    It seems over the past year or two, running has gone from my "strength" to my weakness. Not just in racing but in training as well. So I am looking for ways to improve. The first is losing some weight. That is actually going fine. Dow from 168 April 1 to 163 today.
    The next is trying to be smart about run training. Last week I stumbled upon potentially 3 more hrs of run training bandwith on my weekly calendar. The 30min dog walk has become the 30min dog jog. I can do this pretty much every evening but realistically I'd say 5 times per week. Can these short runs be useful?
  • Jimmy, can be helpful. I see you have IMFL on the calendar...but that you are in Get Fast and then SC plans...not easy to add volume for durability while also doing 100% short / fast work. You kinda have to pick your poison. Before I advise it would be good to see some kind of training log to see what you have done this year. And it would help if we had a more objective metric than "weakness vs strength" as in:

    "In 2013 my vDOT was 53 and I weighed 155...now my vDOT is 48 and I weigh 168"

    Got that for me?
  • I'm not doing the get faster even though that is what coach r suggested. So far this year I have raced Galveston and Buffalo Springs and last year was IMTX Austin 70.3 and IMCoz.
    My vDot hasn't budged since Ive been here. My Long Run pace target has always been 10min +/- a few sec depending on the weather when I test. Honestly, I think that I have given up on trying to run a faster 5k and turned my focus to putting out an IM run closer to my LRP. Which I have never done but I am getting closer to. Coz was my fastest run at a 10:20 pace. I ran lap 1 at 10:30 lap 2 at 10:20 and lap 3 at 10:10. It was awesome.
    Strength and weakness was just from relative place in AG rankings for larger races. Feel free to look at my logs. my TP login is Jimmy3993 pw 3993
    I'd be interested in your feedback. But really, I have committed myself to chasing this heart rate based base running down for the rest of the year just to see if I can get the results that Dr. Maffetone writes about. I wasn't improving via intensity that I could see.
  • Jimmy, I hear you. Sometimes folks don't respond to bike and run intensity simultaneously, but curious -- so in the OS you had zero gains? Like year-round, 365-days, your pace has been the same whether you are in mega IM mile mode or 15-miles a week, super fast OS? I'd be crazy surprised...but also curious if you tested religiously (beg / mid / end of OS for example).

    Finally, before I dive in, can you tell me the plans you _did_ follow this year? As in OS from Date X to Date Y and then HIM plan from X to Y, etc...doesn't have to be exact, but it will help me frame what I am looking at! Thanks!
  • This year I did January OS then moved to HIM plan for the lead up to Galveston 70.3. Rested a little and reloaded for Buffalo Springs.
    During the OS my 5k time did improve but all that happened from start to finish is that it moved back to where it has been since I dropped from 188lbs to 168 in late 2010. Between 23:32 and 23:17. And no realy progression.
    Was I religous in testing? no. Have I done a job that I feel is adequate? yes. I have 6 tests over the past 5 years that I could find data for quickly. My guess is that here are more lurking in TP. But there is no trending improvement. You will also see the same general story on the bike. Just not responding.
  • you know what, i just snapped to the fact that yall offer phone cosults now. This seems like the kind of conversation that is better suited to a consult. It is certainly outside of the regular EN services.
    If you agree let me know and I will set one up.
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