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jumpy power numbers?

Hey EN! I'm new to riding with POWER OUTSIDE and have some questions. Here is a link to a Strava File: http://www.strava.com/activities/122489782

Training in the OS on Trainer Road, I found myself getting good at holding WATTs for long durations. IE: hold 185watts for 15min, and I'd come in +/- a few watts.

Outside however, I look down and the watts seem to be jumping all over the place. It will jump up/down 5-20 watts when I feel like I'm still riding at the same pace. Here's what's funny, the total weighted watts for the ride was 216, right in line with what I think I should be at based on Trainer Road?!??!?!?!?!

Is it normal for power to jump like that while riding? Obviously there is no wind, road changes, etc... on a trainer, so do those factors have implications on your legs and power output?

SORRY if this question has been asked. I browsed the forum and couldn't find anything easily. Feel free to steer me in that direction. THANK YOU FOR THE HELP!!!!

JTM

O, and feel free to add me on STRAVA!

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  • @Jonathan, it is absolutely normal for the power to be all over the place. On the trainer, everything is smooth. There are no roads like that. Also, what do you have your power display set at? When I ride, my display shows my normalized power for the lap, and my 3 second average power. This tells me where I am for the entire lap and where I am at that specific moment. Less than 3 seconds is far too jumpy.


  • Posted By Edwin Croucher on 28 Mar 2014 05:25 PM

    @Jonathan, it is absolutely normal for the power to be all over the place. On the trainer, everything is smooth. There are no roads like that. Also, what do you have your power display set at? When I ride, my display shows my normalized power for the lap, and my 3 second average power. This tells me where I am for the entire lap and where I am at that specific moment. Less than 3 seconds is far too jumpy.

    Thanks Edwin. Good feedback. I did make that change on my garmin to the 3second average and am headed out the door for a ride here shortly. Glad this is 'normal'. So my next question is, if the goal is to ride at 85% of FTP, and it's jumping all over the place, are you just focused on the average every mile?




  • Posted By Jonathan Meek on 28 Mar 2014 05:28 PM
    So my next question is, if the goal is to ride at 85% of FTP, and it's jumping all over the place, are you just focused on the average every mile? 


    As Edwin says, a lot of us follow NP or IF (% FTP) on the head unit, and start a new lap periodically, either with each interval, or every 10-20 minutes. Watching the NP/IF of the lap gives you a good window into what you are doing, power wise. Watching the raw number (even smoothed to 3s), it will vary 10-20% around a mean, and over time, you just get used to seeing that, and learn the range in which you want to be, rather than trying to always be at the same number (never gonna happen).

  • The computer can be an aid or a distraction. If your NP is set for the lap, you just need to know what 85% is and aim to get the NP to that. You will never have the control over your power outside that you do on the trainer. There are too many variables. You can have consistent power when you are on a long steady climb of a few miles. Other than those every dip in the road, strong breeze or sharp turn can effect your power reading.

  • Jonathan....as has been said already, completely normal/expected.  I think most of us use 3s NP to guide our efforts.  There is an option for 10s NP, but that is too "slow" in changing for my preference.  

    x2 on setting one of your fields to lap NP or IF (interval of your choosing....5 miles, 15mins, 20 mins, 30mins, etc).  I used to try to hold my watts in a certain range while racing and doing RR rides, but found that I was not able to do quite as good a job at hitting my goal IF as when I picked my target number (a single number) and tried to just sit on it all day.  While it's not possible, the narrower your target, the less straying from that target for me.  This was the advice Coach Rich gave to me after I seemed to be missing my IF by 2-3%.  Seems to help.  It first, you can do things like increasing/decreasing force/cadence if you see a number 10W higher or lower than your target.  As you ride with power outside, you will become more and more able to feel through the pedals how much force you are applying to the pedals....almost as if you can tell from your feet/legs what the 3sNP is going to be at any point in time.  Problem is, as you get tired, this starts to become inaccurate....and when you get out of T1, it can be really misleading....thus one of the many values of a PM!  

    I absolutely remember the same questions when I first started riding outside with power.  Keep paying attention to it, practicing riding steady and it will come.....just don't watch it so closely that you ride into a tree or into a ditch!

  • Thanks Everyone for the insight. Here's my ride from yesterday. Definitely made a difference moving the avg. appreciate the help!

    http://www.strava.com/activities/124759322

     

  • One thing I try to do when riding outside and I incorporate this into racing is to take whatever my target watt number is for the interval and create a 20 watt range---+10 and -10 watts. As long as I'm seeing a number within that range, then I'm being steady, flattening the hills, etc. I have had success in hitting my target watts by trying to consistently be +5 watts when I look at the dial. For example, if I'm doing a 30 minute interval at 85% and want to hold 200 watts for that 30 minutes I always want to see the dial between 190 and 210 watts. If I look down and see the number below 205 watts I will try to smoothly get to 205 watts, then look up for a while trying to go by RPE for a minute--look back down, repeat.....
  • For guys like us, watching the 3 second or 10 second average instead of the live watts is actually a lot more helpful.
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