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Execution for 120 mile ride with 12,000 ft of climbing

I am doing a cycling race soon that is 120 miles with 12,000 ft of climbing. Should I try to pace this like an ironman with IF of 0.7? The ride has 4-5 distinct climbs with long descents so it is very difficult to flatten this course. Also, the on course nutrition is all the Hammer stuff and real food like p&j sandwiches. Should I take all my own powerbar stuff that I am used to or try to "live off the land" ? Thanks!

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  • @Peter, FOIW I will be racing NYGF late May (100 miles) and Nutrition wise I will be following IM Nutrition Bike portion (per core diet nutricionist advice). That said, i will figure out the equivalence for what's available at aid stations (calories and sodium) and live from the land. After all I will have to stop for liquid anyway. Looking forward to the "pacing" replies myself!!! Have FUN at your 120 miler!!!
  • So you're talking about Mulholland, correct, which is tomorrow? 



    It's not a race, it's a ride, though certainly nothing wrong with treating it like a race 
    • .68-71 is pretty much a "go all day" effort, especially since you don't have to run off the bike. 
    • Any time you're on flat ground, work with the people around you. 
    • On climbs, be aware of your watts and the body composition of the people around you. Climbing and holding pace with fat guys = good. Holding pace with people lighter than you = might wan to rethink that. 
    • I would carry a big ass bag of drink powder, to mix my own, and would eat at the aid station if I needed to, but don't go crazy with it.

    The issue you're going to have, because you're probably riding with PTC peeps, is the ride will take you a loooonnnggg time because of the group nature of the stops. I've done the ride a couple times but always did the 100mi vs the 120mi option. I may have started with a few friends but I usually dropped them pretty quickly because I was focused on getting the work and the ride done vs spending all day to ride a century. 

  • Yeah, it is the mulholland challenge tomorrow morning! I hear you on the ride taking forever, hopefully a small group of us will form and decide to not stop for long, otherwise I may end up by myself. I will bring my own perform and pick up some clif bars or whatever they have along the course like you suggest. Thanks!
  • My advice... Ditch your friends. Start with the lead group and stay with them as long as possible. Ride fast when they ride fast and take it easy when they take it easy (pretend you are a roadie and not a triathlete). Eventually, you'll get spit out the back on some hill, so just ride EASY until you happen to find 1-2 or better yet 4-5 other dudes who come up on you fast. Then hop on their wheel and work with them until you drop them or they drop you, then lather, rinse, repeat. Stop at the aid stations because everyone will and get your grub on. But don't dilly-dally. If a group of guys are leaving the aid station, then leave with them and lather/rinse/repeat again. Have fun and don't stare at your power meter all day. You will be shelled by like mile 80 and you will dig a very big hole and gain a bunch of fitness in the last 2.5 hours. Oh yeah, did I mention have fun?
  • What John said. That's basically my routine for these. In '11, in my final couple weeks before IMWI, I did Cool Breeze with Sawiris and one of his roadie friends, on my tri bike. I basically rode as hard as I could, pulling dozens of riders along the way. I don't think they had the finish set up when we finished the ride .

    Oh, and in the name of Dog, PLEASE don't wear that aero-ish helmet with visor. And no bento box on your road bike...and have matching kit.

    You know, the important stuff. 

  • @Rich Don't worry, I will be all pro. I will think of you as I shave my legs tonight.
  • LOL.... I road my tri-bike , disc wheel , aero helmet and all like I always do.... UP and Down Mt. Lemmon yesterday! Is that why none of the roadies I passed and said a cheerful good morning to never said anything back to me?

    Separate Note: On that same ride we met a couple guys at the bottom that were attempting the Strava Record for the Mt. Lemmon Climb... The one going for the record was on a TT bike and his buddy who was gonna pull as long as he could was on a road S5..... They came up short in there attempt but had a good time.... I got a first hand look at them descending (going by me like I was standing still) The leader on the TT bike and the puller was drafting a foot off his wheel going at least 50mph and he still waved at me.... Was a thing of beauty to watch those guys ride!

    Peter have FUN and don't underestimate yourself..... There is NO run!
  • So I did the ride and basically did the opposite of everything I planned to do. I completely overcooked the first half of the ride and at mile 80 I was completely bonked and in survival mode. 3 of us in the club pushed each other way too hard on the first couple climbs. I spent well over an hour in Z4 on the ride. Whoops! The good news is that I got a lot of great practice descending, I know that when my body is completely pushed to its breaking point that coke and brownies work wonders, and while I do my first Ironman I can remember this day and tell myself that I never want to feel that way again, it should help me stick to the watts in the race.

    Overall had 7:55 moving time, a TSS score of 495 (Yikes!) and an IF of 0.79
  • Sounds about right :-)

    It's better to hold back a bit on the front end so you can finish very strong. It's valuable to feel like ass but still have barely enough gas in the tank to push through that, vs going very hard when you're fresh and not having anything left to go hard when it's really, really hard.

    But always lots of value in crushing yourself, regardless :-)
  • Sounds like a great ride to me! 0.79IF for 8 hours is a hell of an effort!!!

    If you re-read my post above, you pretty much did it. Shelled by mile 80 and dug a VERY deep hole afterwards. But those last 40 miles of pain will certainly be a big help in preparing your brain (and your legs) for the last 10 miles of an Ironman run.

    Nice job man!
  • Well done in completing that monster ride! And great advice from the team on how to ride these types of events.

    You did shave your legs didn't you?? 

  • Peter folded like a lawn chair to peer pressure and shaved his legs a few weeks ago...
  • Hehe, yes. My legs are shaved and my tan lines are sharp!
  • Surely that calls for a PHOTO!!!!!

  • Peter,
    How did you hidrate during the 120 miles as compared to IM bike???? .....
  • In the end I decided to go with the on course nutrition of perpetuum. I figured, I am paying 100$ for this, might as well make the most of it. This is what I ended up consuming:

    6 bottles of perpetuum (270 calories per bottle)
    1 mini cinnamon roll (110)
    1 pack of fig bars (220)
    1 powerbar (220)
    1 clif bar (250)
    2 bananas (210)
    1/2 peanut butter and jelly sandwich (175)
    1 homemade salted caramel (150)
    1 can coke (180)
    2 brownie bites (200)

    Total calories = 3500

    I burned a total of 4400 so I replaced 80% of my calories. In retrospect I may have eaten too much! It was sure fun eating all those treats. The weather was actually pretty good and I didn't feel dehydrated, even with only having 6 bottles of fluid.
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