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Hi there - 

I'm about to load up the IM Beg. plan next week in prep for IM Cozumel. (I'm currently in the GF plan). Couple questions:

In the past, I've been known to work myself into a bit of a hole  -- resulting in very low iron and borderline anemia, which basically makes for unhappy training. I've come to the conclusion that I just need a little bit more recovery time (and the doc says iron supplements). The thing is there aren't that many rest days in the plan. So I'm wondering if dropping the Monday swim every other week would be the end of the world? My thought is that it would give me a tad more recovery time. (FYI: I'll be doing the alternate (longer) run on Sundays due to a low vDOT). Or maybe there's something else that would be better to drop? Or should I just go along as is, and adjust if I begin suspecting an issue?

The other thing is a long way off, but I'm a bit worried about having only a two week taper. I know I should trust the plan, but given that recovery can be an issue, I'm wondering if it's possible to move the second RR up a bit, even if just by a few days or so. Of course, I could just wait until the time gets closer and see what's going on with me then, but thought I'd raise the question now since it crossed my mind. Thoughts?

I think that's it for now. Thanks! 

Comments

  • Let's just call it Mondays off always. It's easier, CLEARER (aka no workouts that day ever), and will build to long term success (you'll be rested when you need it later in the plan). Are you ok with 2 swims a week or do we need to do some other shuffling?

    Plse tell me you are (A) on those supplements, (B) sleeping minimum 7 hrs a night, (C) and fueling _every_ workout like a champ.

    Time to come clean!
  • Thanks Patrick! 

    Yep - I'm on supplements and sleeping a 7+ hours a night (if I'm extra lucky I sneak in a nap when possible too). The nutrition thing is where I struggle, especially on weekdays. I need to figure out a plan for fueling before, during, and after the shorter workouts. Without a plan, I do "whatever I feel like" and that isn't always the best...

  • How about you draft a sample fuel plan and you and I can refine it here so you get it right? image That's what you are paying me for!!!!!!
  • Hi Patrick - I have a chance to run a half marathon on Sunday with friends. I'm on week 13 of the IM Beg. Plan and this week have my Thursday long run, then Saturday bike 4 1/2 hours on Saturday + run; Sunday bike 3 1/2 hours + the one hour run. If I chose to do the Half Marathon, how could I adjust the days? I would be running only for fun -- I thought it would be nice to do a long run with friends, since most of my training lately has been solo. I would still plan on Saturday being the same. Should I just swap my Thursday and Sunday? Or would it be better to just forget the whole idea and stick to the plan?

  • Hi Patrick - So this morning I did my Sunday 60 minute run, instead of my long run. [I know you're in Kona (Hope you're having fun!!), and wasn't sure when you'd be checking the forums...] Anyway, I'm planning to do a trainer ride this evening to make up for the missed 270 min Sunday ride. I likely won't be able to do the whole 270 minutes though -- instead I'm planning for 90. So right now, my plan is thursday (today): 60 min run morning, 90 min trainer session this evening, Friday swim, Saturday long bike ride/short run, Sunday Half Marathon (running paced like my long run). I'm a little concerned because my overall bike time for the week will be less than normal. Should I throw another short session in on Friday or maybe even Sunday? Or will my Saturday ride be enough? And if you don't get to this until after Kona, I totally get it...just when you get back, let me know if I totally screwed up.
  • Hi Patrick - Quick question: I'm confused about this week. The week 14 video says that I have a race rehearsal this weekend, but my training plan just looks more like a regular week. Do I do the race rehearsal? Or should I just stick to the plan, which has camp week next week? For what it's worth, I have to give my bike to tribike transport really early (or so it seems). Right now it says I have to deliver it to the bike shop on the Sunday before my final race rehearsal so it can begin it's journey to Mexico. So with that said, I was planning to do my final race rehearsal a week early and give myself a longer taper because I won't have my power meter/tribike, etc. Not sure if that affects when I should be doing my first RR or Camp week, but thought I'd mention it anyway. Thanks! (and great job at Kona!)

  • Posted By Jennifer Hendershot on 13 Oct 2014 01:12 PM


    Hi Patrick - Quick question: I'm confused about this week. The week 14 video says that I have a race rehearsal this weekend, but my training plan just looks more like a regular week. Do I do the race rehearsal? Or should I just stick to the plan, which has camp week next week? For what it's worth, I have to give my bike to tribike transport really early (or so it seems). Right now it says I have to deliver it to the bike shop on the Sunday before my final race rehearsal so it can begin it's journey to Mexico. So with that said, I was planning to do my final race rehearsal a week early and give myself a longer taper because I won't have my power meter/tribike, etc. Not sure if that affects when I should be doing my first RR or Camp week, but thought I'd mention it anyway. Thanks! (and great job at Kona!)

    Follow the guidance in the plan vs the video. Regarding the scheduling of the final RR, do the RR as close to that TBT drop off as you can, and then do your best to get in all of the scheduled workouts after than on whatever bike you have remaining. I'm assuming road bike, in that case recommend you ride in the drops as much as possible. 

  • Thanks Rich! (and you assumed right - the other bike is a road bike).
  • I have a question about my race rehearsal. I just did the camp weekend last weekend (rode 90 on Friday, 57 on Saturday, then ran 130 minutes on Sunday). In the plan, the final race rehearsal is week 18, but I need to move it up to week 17 because I have to ship my bike the Sunday of week 17. What's the best way to adjust the next few weeks to incorporate the race rehearsal? If I do Week 17 as planned with the only change being a 6 hour ride on Saturday + the run, that means I would have the Race Rehearsal run just a couple days before. Is that okay? Or do I move the race rehearsal run?

    About the camp week(end) -- I made a bunch of mistakes on Day 1, which kind of haunted me the rest of the weekend. After the first 3 1/2-4 hours my power kept falling and falling, and I had overall body fatigue. It pretty much sucked. The good thing is I know what mistakes I made -- first and foremost I failed to stick to my nutrition plan (which has worked really well for me in the past). Another mistake was letting someone else pick the route. Before I've done short out and backs so I could keep cold fluids in my car, pass bathrooms, etc. This route forced me to carry most of my fluids (which is just heavy), and as the day got hotter (90+ degrees) my fluids just got hotter which made me not want to drink them. And since I wasn't drinking, I didn't want to eat. I knew the mistakes I was making as they were happening, but continued down the hole anyway. I guess I had to remind myself the hard way of the importance of staying on top of my nutrition. The whole thing didn't do much for my confidence, so I'm looking forward to having a much better RR2.
  • Jen - RR#1 is for messing up! You can put a big fat check in that box. :-)

    Bonuses that you got the training in, and you had a lot of good lessons learned. I'm okay with the race rehearsal that week, but I would urge you to do that race rehearsal on Thursday morning, take Friday off, do this race for her so we can swim on Saturday, and the race rehearsal ride & run on Sunday. Then it's Monday off and Tuesday light before getting back at it.
  • Ok - so I did my RR run this morning and it started great, but ended horribly. First off, we are having Red Flag weather conditions here, meaning high heat, high winds, and very low humidity. I started the run slow (like all my other long runs), and felt great for awhile. I was drinking gatorade a couple sips every half mile or mile, and was eating a power gel every 5 miles. Somewhere around 11-12 or so things started going south. I just kept getting slower and my heart rate was super high. Then I started getting chills, and a bit dizzy. Anyway, I drank about 36 ounces of gatorade, plus a bit of water. I called it a day after 16 miles (which took slightly over 3 hours), but my confidence is really shaken. I'm pretty sure the very low humidity with the heat near the end of the run is what destroyed me. I weighed myself when I woke up (I went for the run a couple hours after that) and after my run I was 4 pounds lighter -- that is the first time I've had that big of a difference in weight. Also, my urine was incredibly dark after the run, so I'm guessing dehydration.

    So...I have my race rehearsal ride on Saturday - then my tri-bike begins it's journey to Mexico. I'd like to get another 3 hour run in, to boost my confidence. Would it be okay to do that next Thursday or maybe Saturday, since my race bike will be gone? I'll have my road bike still here...but right now I'm scared of the run. What do you think?
  • Quick change to what I proposed above -- if I could do another long run on Tuesday (or Saturday) that would work best because I have the day(s) off of work. Because next week the schedule has RR2 (which I'm doing this week), I'm not really sure how to adjust next week's schedule.

    Another thing - I'm not sure this is worth mentioning or not, but I've noticed that my resting heart rate has been gradually increasing over the past few weeks. Also, my average heart rate during workouts has been trending slightly upwards too (even though the intensity level is similar). I thought it might have something to do with having to take allergy medicine the past couple weeks, but when I looked back the trend started before my allergies started to bother me. Could it be a sign I need more recovery? I feel like I take way too much as it is. I guess taper time is almost here...perhaps that will help.
  • Jen - I really really really don't want you to do another long run. And I felt that way before I read your second paragraph when you talk specifically about arising resting heart rate which is a clear sign of a need for more recovery. There's no way that another attempt at a three hour run it's going to help you recover more. :-)

    remember that even though you don't feel good about that run, your body probably worked harder than if you to put together a normal long run day. Lesson learned here are around hydration, specifically the quantity and also salt. I didn't hear you mention anything about salt in your workout. Nor did you mention anything about food? As a frame of reference, I try to drink 4 ounces every mile of sports drink, and then I eat as I feel okay. It averages out to be about a gel every 3 miles. Now I'm a big dude, but you definitely need more than what you took in. And again, there's that need for salt. As in one Saul tab every hour, if not every half hour if it's hot. You can certainly begin to practice this nutritional protocol regardless of the length of your run.

    I am guessing that the particular long run sucked not just because of nutrition but also because of the cumulative fatigue that you brought to the table. Rest...and sharpen!
  • Thanks Coach for the sanity check. I had a feeling that is what you'd say. So instead of digging a bigger hole, I've decided to taper like a champ as soon as my last RR is done tomorrow, and hopefully be back to myself by the time race day comes around. Any tweaks I should make to the plan to get the most out of the taper?

    Oh, and during the run, I was eating PowerGels, every 5 miles, which have 200mg Sodium. Plus I was drinking full strength gatorade, which equalled a little over 480mg of sodium over the course of the 3 hour run. I think I'll start taking a gel ever 4 miles, and add in the salt tab once an hour (or more if super hot -- but usually the heat fades by the time I start the run during an IM, which is a good thing for me).



  • Always happy to do the sanity check. :-) Remember I run 8 miles an hour in Ironman, so I gel every 3 miles means I am having 2.5 an hour. I'm not sure what your pace I s, but you probably want to plan on eating on average every 45 minutes with an understanding that you may have to eat more on the early side if you feel good.

    As for the salt pills, remember that the sodium isn't there because you're sweating, but rather to facilitate digestion. It helps keep your stomach in the happy place.

    It is also worth noting that that Gatorade itself doesn't have a lot of sodium in it. In fact you specifically need to use Gatorade Endurance to get a lot of sodium.
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