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Hamstring pain referred from back

I have been having problems with my hamstring.  They originally diagnosed as tendonosis...but now after MRI, the tendon actually looks the same as it was just over a year ago when I didn't have the pain.

Wonder if it could be pain referred from the back?  So far no imaging on back...but PT tests have ruled it out....now I wonder.

Anyone experience it?

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  • Same here. Very tight hammys that causes back pain from the SI joint. I also have weak gluts. Lots of stretching, band exercises and rolling. Sometimes I only have the back pain but my understanding is it is all coming from my lazy glutes. I think Rachel H posted something awoke back related to this.
  • Thanks Mary...think my issue is a bit different...I actually have hamstring pain, and no back pain...so kind of the reverse that you mention.
  • Dawn, is it into one or both hamstrings? The most common reason for pain referral into the posterior thighs from the back would be stenosis, which would cause pain into both thighs/ham's. This could be identified with a MRI of the back, as stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal canal....resulting in some pressure on the spinal cord, hence the leg pain is usually bilateral. But stenosis is a degenerative condition usually in a older, more sedentary population, like 60 plus. Don't know how old you are, but your definitely not sedentary image.

    Also, even though an MRI is a good test, there could be some issues with the hamstring tendons without much or any real observable change on the MRI. What kind of results did you get with some PT or other type therapy to the hammys?
  • Dawn - I had hamstring pain only on my right leg and it was really bad after my runs and long bike. After a few days, the pain would go away. The pain felt like an overstrained muscle. It sideline me for over a year because no one could properly diagnose it. Turns out it was my lower back - I have an extra vertebrae and it doesn't sit correctly causing all sorts of issues. Tried the steroids shots, didn't work. Pain got so bad in back I went to a back surgeon - only option was fusion, no thanks. Then I found an awesome chiropractor and after about 2 months of therapy, I'm like new. Now I go as needed or about once every 4-6 weeks

    Very frustrating process. Good luck
  • I am convinced my left hamstring problem has nothing to do with my back. However, my sports medicine physician wants to rule it out so I will be having an MRI of my LUMBAR Spine on Saturday. (I am a spine surgeon so you would think I should know. But one should not be their own doctor.) I'll let you know.
  • I’ve been dealing with a high hamstring strain for the last month. The timing really sucked as I qualified for the ITU World Triathlon Sprint Championship, which was held in Edmonton a couple of weeks ago – I participated and jog-limped through the 5K. It was great to be there but I would have preferred to compete.

    Leading up to that race, my Sports Medicine doctor made the High Hamstring Tendinopathy diagnosis and he said it needed 6-8 weeks to heal. But I only had 2 … so, in an attempt to make this injury less intrusive, I was aggressive with any and all potential “treatments.” This included working with a Physical Therapist, Chiropractor and Acupuncturist at the same time!  Each had their own approach and all helped in some manner or another. They each offered specific treatments based on their perspective but alas, there was no miracle cure.  



    What was most interesting was that with each professional shared a common question:  ‘What was the root cause?’  None “blamed” the hamstring itself or the workouts … and looking at my training log, there was nothing out of the ordinary.  The PT suggested an imbalance in muscle strength – stronger quads and a weaker core. The Chiropractor made adjustment to the opposite side hip for alignment. The Acupuncturist suggested the IT band was way too tight on the opposite side and directed some of the treatment there. I guess all are possibilities but none really resonated with me. But who knows?

     

    And at this point, who cares? I’ve decided not to worry about whether my injury is a high hamstring strain or tendonitis, or a series of micro tears, because at a high level, my approach would be the same regardless. I will be focusing on more overall core and muscle strength balance going forward.

     

    Specific to the hamstring, my Rehab plan is based on input from the professionals and some references I found on-line.  Now that the pain has subsided (it took 7 days for me), I’ve started the process. I really like and am using this article as a guideline and reference:

    http://runnersconnect.net/running-i...-the-butt/

    and this one:

    http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/sport-injuries/thigh-pain/hamstring-strain/rehabilitation-hamstring-strain

     

    One other important item to note that I found to strengthen the hamstring: 

    The Hamstrings (like the biceps) respond best to accentuated *eccentric* training – opposite of a muscle contraction. I didn’t know this. The article says that it is primarily due to their fiber makeup as well as isolation function as flexors. The best exercise is to use the 2/1 technique on the lying leg curl. This means lifting the load “explosively” (without pain) with TWO legs, and lowering it under control with ONE leg only. Reference:

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...g_training

     

    Good luck, Jim

  • Hello all, thanks for all the posts....couple of comments back.

    It's in one leg only, on the left so sounds like something like stenosis is not the problem.

    What have I done to date:
    1. Ultrasound and MRI scans of the hip - MRI showed mild tendonosis and a small tear in the hamstring. I had an MRI 1.5 years ago of the hip (for unrelated issues), and doctor noted that the image looked exactly the same as then when I didn't have the pain. So, as you say, even if you have unusual scan...it could be normal for you. I wonder here if we are really at the issue which is why I asked about back.
    2. Physio therapy - two different doctors.
    3. PRP injection - forced rest after then
    4. No running for the last month (missed A race as a result)
    5. Eccentric exercises for the last month
    6. Core stability - specific focus in last 4 months
    7. Chiropractor for last 6 months - using FAT tool, alignment, and ART
    8. Latest physio now doing dry needling and core.

    So, feel like I have been through the loop of different options. Everything above has been around the tendonosis and it's still as painful as it was in April of this year when I started to go to the doctors.

    Jim - thanks for the links...will have a look around and see what they say.
    Robert - didn't realise you still had the problem! Oh my.....and a great result at IMMT so impressed that you did it, and were not actually at 100%. Would be interested to see what they say about your spine....and as you say, probably nothing as you should know considering your profession.

    In the end, really at a loss here....will keep searching but feedback welcome.
  • Back issues, including stenosis, which cause leg pain can be bilateral or unilateral.
  • Update to all....Dr now feels an lumbar MRI is a good idea to rule out any back related issues. Booked in for the 23rd September...stay tuned!
  • Thanks Robert....something to think about.  Will see what the MRI tells us in a week or so.

  • I had my MRI yesterday. No official report but I see a small protrusion and annular tear on the right at L5-S1. It is an asymptomatic finding as my pain is left hamstring. So it is not coming from my back. Current PT feels its neural as in sciatic scarring and we are working it while trying to avoid flaring the muscle or the nerve.
  • Hello Robert, you did suspect it was not the back..but it sounds like the physic feels differently..did I read that correctly with sciatic scarring?  What is the next course of action / plan?

  • Hello Roberto - first off, congrats on the HIM...fantastic result!

    Quick update on the MRI...official result in today.  "L5-S1: Bulging disc with broad-based central disc protrusion contacting 

    the traversing bilateral S1 nerve roots. Neural foramen are patent."  

    I await discussion with the doctor to understand if this is an issue....or not!

    Any thoughts out there....let me know.

    Dawn

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