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2015 Ironman Taper Hack ... is this OK or stupid?

I'm thinking about my 2015 race schedule and want team input on a hack to the standard Ironman taper before I put my plan before Rich.   The current ironman plan has a race rehearsal 2 weeks before race day then starting the taper.  The hack I am thinking about is returning the race rehearsal to 3 weeks out (as it has been in the past), then racing a HIM the following week (all out), then tapering for the remaining 2 weeks.

What's the vote?

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  • Paul,

    I did exactly that in 2008. Blasted a 70.3 two weeks before a fun group IM in Europe that meant little in terms of time. At the IM, I had a typical swim, a little slow on the bike, fell apart at mile 20 of the run but still walk-jogged to a sub-4. Took a nap at the finish, woke up in the med tent. 3 bags of saline later, I was ready for the Biergarten. It was one of my favorite summers of racing, and I have no regrets.

    So, it's certainly doable, but if you're worried about 15~ minutes at your IM, I would stick to the plan.

    My two Lincolns.
  • Paul, I really like the idea of the biggest weekend or RR @ 3 weeks out instead of 2 weeks out.... I DO NOT like the idea of racing a HIM (all out) 2 weeks out.... The swim/bike of that HIM is fine but I believe executing the run portion of a HIM to the best of your ability will carry too much fatigue into your IM.... JMO and you already know what Coach R is gonna do to you!
  • My ears were burning...

    If you need / want a 3wk taper, that's fine. I recommend you do a Big Week 4wks out, then your final RR 3wks out, then taper for those 3wks. 

    I'm assuming you're going with a 3wk taper because you feel you need the extra recovery. In that case, it doesn't make any sense to race a HIM within that 3wks, only 2wks out from your race? In fact, I wouldn't call a 3wk taper, with an HIM in the middle of it, much of a taper at all 


  • Posted By Rich Strauss on 22 Oct 2014 08:29 AM

    My ears were burning...

    If you need / want a 3wk taper, that's fine. I recommend you do a Big Week 4wks out, then your final RR 3wks out, then taper for those 3wks. 

    I'm assuming you're going with a 3wk taper because you feel you need the extra recovery. In that case, it doesn't make any sense to race a HIM within that 3wks, only 2wks out from your race? In fact, I wouldn't call a 3wk taper, with an HIM in the middle of it, much of a taper at all 

    Paul- just in case you were wondering....^^^^ that was a virtual nutz kicking!

  • OK, my nutz were hurting so a confession is in order. I'm already registered for Ironman Louisville (Oct 11) and yesterday USAT announced that the National Long Course Championship would be the Redman HIM on Sep 27 so enquiring minds wanted to know if it was possible to insert Redman (or maybe Augusta 70.3) two weekends before. I certainly do not feel the need for 3 weeks taper anymore.

    And frick, how can Tim (Mr IMCHAT/Kona double in 13 days) come onto this thread and say he prefers 3 weeks. For the love of all that is holy!

    I give up, no Redman or Augusta HIM for me. image
  • LOL... Oh man you called me out? ... I practice what I preach ! Here was my solid 3 week taper for CHOO , but I didn't really have a choice for KONA now did I? And I paid the price in KONA but had a very good race in CHOO....

    sat - 5.5hr bike / 7 mile brick , sun- split run 16/7.4
    sat - 4hr bike / 5 mile brick , sun - run 13.1
    sat - 2.5hr bike / 3 mile brick , sun- run 9
    last week was under 4hrs total
    mon- 31min swim
    tues- 33min swim , 30min run
    weds -60min bike
    thurs -28 min run
    fri - 31 min bike , 17 min run
    sat- ZERO
    SUN - RACE IMCHOO

    I raced 3 HIM's this summer 6/28 , 7/26 , 8/24 ..... they were spaced 4 weeks apart like yours .... I did RACE them very hard , but I did a minimal 2-3 day taper and 2-3 day recovery for each as train thru events.... I was very happy with my performance on each one but I can tell I was not 100% on any of them and I could still feel the fatigue at the 2 week mark after each! IMO there is no better longday training for an IM than racing a HIM..... But you will pay the price at the 2 week mark.

    My guess is you have pretty high expectations for IMLOU? And you should! I also know your a volume guy and you need some coaxing to taper :-)
  • nothing to add.   agree.

    i like the three week taper too.

    and definitely no half irons within three weeks.

    but depends on your priorities for which race.

  • Ha, Tim has spilled the magic training beans! Actually, I don't have any great expectations for 2015 and 2016 as I will be USAT 58 and 59. 2017 is my year to throw down! Thinking of a Texas/CDA double-header then. And if I don't KQ, I should be at 12. I'm starting to think I would rather just LQ just so I can attend the WTC reception for those who spend too much money on the sport.

    r/Paul
  • Paul , What a coincidence 2017 is my long term plan throw down year ! Lets do IMTX then KONA 2017 !
  • Tim - I will be there. In 2017, Texas is Apr 22. I'm going to do IM Switzerland in 2016, then transition into a very early outseason...probably start in Sep. Texas is finally an IM that will allow me to do run volume in the "winter". Pucon 70.3 in January is also a possibility since the 70.3 should be coming back to the US that year. Oh yeah!
  • Paul , you have probably already seen it but there is a "rare" good thread on ST about the taper... 2-3 that I like and happen to agree with have good comments on there....

    http://forum.slowtwitch.com/gforum.cgi?post=5304086;page=unread#unread
  • @ Tim - I will definitely read it. But please note that everything you need to know about Tapering was written by Chuckie V long ago. Here's the short version:

    If you've been training a consistent 30 hours a week or more, you might consider a Mark Allen-esque taper. Oh, and get a life.
    If you've been training a consistent 25 hours a week, you might consider a three-week taper.
    If you've been training a consistent 20 hours a week, you might consider a two-week taper.
    If you've been training a consistent 15 hours a week, you might consider a one-week taper.
    If you've been training less than 15 hours a week, you might consider skipping a taper until a few days out.
    If you haven't been training at all, you should consider getting off your lazy, shaven a$$ before it's too late, fatty.
  • Sounds about right to me. BTW, in memory of Chuckie, I took a beer from a BU student @ mile 23 of this year's Boston Marathon. Best Outside Assistance Ever.
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