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Nemo's 2015 Macro Thread

After a loooong break from anything really structured, I'm back!  I am following the Training Season Rich put together for me with the following highlights:

  • Now thru 3/1:  OS
  • 3/2-3/15:  Swim Camp
  • 3/16-5/31:  HIM Plan  (HIM Races on 5/9 and 5/31, I plan on approaching  5/9 as a race rehearsal for the 5/31)
  • 6/1-7/12:  Get Faster
  • 7/13-10/4:  IM Plan (IMMD on 10/4)

OK, with that- here's my first Macro question.  The OS plan encourages a Half Mary at the end of the plan (around 3/1 or so).  Meanwhile I have a group of friends looking to do a Half Mary together in the early April timeframe.  So I'm thinking of doing a local 10K as my OS graduation and then joining friends for the Half Mary either the first or second weekend in April.  Does that seem to work?  

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  • Posted By Nemo Brauch on 18 Dec 2014 08:29 AM

    After a loooong break from anything really structured, I'm back!  I am following the Training Season Rich put together for me with the following highlights:

    • Now thru 3/1:  OS
    • 3/2-3/15:  Swim Camp
    • 3/16-5/31:  HIM Plan  (HIM Races on 5/9 and 5/31, I plan on approaching  5/9 as a race rehearsal for the 5/31)
    • 6/1-7/12:  Get Faster
    • 7/13-10/4:  IM Plan (IMMD on 10/4)

    OK, with that- here's my first Macro question.  The OS plan encourages a Half Mary at the end of the plan (around 3/1 or so).  Meanwhile I have a group of friends looking to do a Half Mary together in the early April timeframe.  So I'm thinking of doing a local 10K as my OS graduation and then joining friends for the Half Mary either the first or second weekend in April.  Does that seem to work?  

    Yes, that's fine. However, recommend you consider using the guidance in the OS plan to build a half marathon-esque long run during the OS, even though you'll be finishing the OS with a 10k. IE, about 1:15-30 long run, weekly, is about all you need. This would give you a great headstart towards the HIM and IM plans. 

  • Macro Question #2! I'm now in Week 15 of the HIM plan with my first HIM race on 5/9 (Sat of week 17 as planned) to be done as a race rehearsal in prep for Raleigh 70.3 on 5/31. I've reviewed the wiki regarding how to fit a HIM into your training plan with minimal taper/recovery- but looking forward at the plan there are a few hickups to work around, so with that in mind, here's the question (I don't really want to do an FTP test the same week I'm doing a HIM).

    Upcoming weeks look something like this:
    W15 & 16, basic training weeks
    W17, Test week. FTP test on Wed, HIM Run Test on Thurs
    W18-Race Rehearsal
    W19-20 Basic Taper for race

    With my race coming on W17 (essentially the Race Rehearsal), I'm thinking I should shuffle things up so they look something like this:
    W15 basic training week
    w16 Test week. FTP test on Wed, HIM Run Test on Thurs
    W17, Follow W16 basic week but use wiki guidance to modify the week for minimal taper into HIM on weekend
    W18-Not quite sure what to put here. Was thinking W16 modified for quick recovery from wiki, but the weekend ride seems excessively long this close to the goal race.
    W19-20 Basic Taper for race

    Can you help me flesh the rest of this out? Thanks!
  • OK- one more (longer term) question to add to the above.

    After the HIM on 5/31, I'll be taking a week off (yay!) and then starting the "Get Faster" plan with an end date of 7/12 (looking forward to finding out what that looks like!) Anyway, there is a local Open Water Swim event on June 28 with options for either 1k, 2k, or 4k distance options. There is also an option for a 5k run which is scheduled such that you should be able to do both. I'm not sure if I'd be ready for the 4k distance, but I did think doing the 2k and then riding afterwards might be a good option. Any thoughts on adding this event to the schedule?

  • Posted By Nemo Brauch on 20 Apr 2015 12:26 PM


    Macro Question #2! I'm now in Week 15 of the HIM plan with my first HIM race on 5/9 (Sat of week 17 as planned) to be done as a race rehearsal in prep for Raleigh 70.3 on 5/31. I've reviewed the wiki regarding how to fit a HIM into your training plan with minimal taper/recovery- but looking forward at the plan there are a few hickups to work around, so with that in mind, here's the question (I don't really want to do an FTP test the same week I'm doing a HIM).



    Upcoming weeks look something like this:

    W15 & 16, basic training weeks

    W17, Test week. FTP test on Wed, HIM Run Test on Thurs

    W18-Race Rehearsal

    W19-20 Basic Taper for race



    With my race coming on W17 (essentially the Race Rehearsal), I'm thinking I should shuffle things up so they look something like this:

    W15 basic training week

    w16 Test week. FTP test on Wed, HIM Run Test on Thurs

    W17, Follow W16 basic week but use wiki guidance to modify the week for minimal taper into HIM on weekend

    W18-Not quite sure what to put here. Was thinking W16 modified for quick recovery from wiki, but the weekend ride seems excessively long this close to the goal race.

    W19-20 Basic Taper for race



    Can you help me flesh the rest of this out? Thanks!

    My notes:

    • Given your experience, do you think you need to do formally test on the bike and run? If not, that would simplify things. 
    • Your list of modifications looks good. I think you'll be fine doing Wk16 for Wk18. Two weeks of taper, etc for an HIM is a long time. You'll be fine in time for Raleigh. 

  • Posted By Nemo Brauch on 22 Apr 2015 01:25 PM


    OK- one more (longer term) question to add to the above.



    After the HIM on 5/31, I'll be taking a week off (yay!) and then starting the "Get Faster" plan with an end date of 7/12 (looking forward to finding out what that looks like!) Anyway, there is a local Open Water Swim event on June 28 with options for either 1k, 2k, or 4k distance options. There is also an option for a 5k run which is scheduled such that you should be able to do both. I'm not sure if I'd be ready for the 4k distance, but I did think doing the 2k and then riding afterwards might be a good option. Any thoughts on adding this event to the schedule?

    Sounds good, just approach it as another training day and keep the option open for the 4k vs 2k swim. A 4k swim with a ride afterwards would be a great session for you. 

  • At this point in the training, I don't think I need a run test- I've been doing lots of racing here and there- enough to know I'm pretty dialed in on that front. The bike might be different as I haven't tested outside yet. However, the Race Rehearsal last weekend gave me a good indication that my numbers are pretty good (ran very well off the bike after a solid ride hitting the zones dead on). As you know, I'm a little peep- my indoor vs outdoor numbers just don't swing quite as big as other folks. So are you thinking I just leave Week 16 as is and skip the FTP/Run test week altogether?

  • Posted By Nemo Brauch on 23 Apr 2015 09:29 AM


    At this point in the training, I don't think I need a run test- I've been doing lots of racing here and there- enough to know I'm pretty dialed in on that front. The bike might be different as I haven't tested outside yet. However, the Race Rehearsal last weekend gave me a good indication that my numbers are pretty good (ran very well off the bike after a solid ride hitting the zones dead on). As you know, I'm a little peep- my indoor vs outdoor numbers just don't swing quite as big as other folks. So are you thinking I just leave Week 16 as is and skip the FTP/Run test week altogether?

    Yes, leave wk16 as is and do the interval sessions vs bike and run tests. At this point it's more important to know "I know I can ride #X and run #Y within an HIM" vs my FTP is X and VDot is Y. 

  • Perfect, thanks.  So in summary, I think we've agreed to the following

    W15 & 16 basic training week 

    W17, Follow W18 (RR Week)  basic week but use wiki guidance to modify the week for minimal taper into HIM on weekend 

    W18- W 16 modified for quick recovery from wiki

    W19-20 Basic Taper for race 


  • Posted By Nemo Brauch on 23 Apr 2015 10:39 AM

    Perfect, thanks.  So in summary, I think we've agreed to the following

    W15 & 16 basic training week 

    W17, Follow W18 (RR Week)  basic week but use wiki guidance to modify the week for minimal taper into HIM on weekend 

    W18- W 16 modified for quick recovery from wiki

    W19-20 Basic Taper for race 

    Yes, that's correct


  • Posted By Coach Rich on 23 Apr 2015 09:19 AM

    Posted By Nemo Brauch on 22 Apr 2015 01:25 PM


    OK- one more (longer term) question to add to the above.



    After the HIM on 5/31, I'll be taking a week off (yay!) and then starting the "Get Faster" plan with an end date of 7/12 (looking forward to finding out what that looks like!) Anyway, there is a local Open Water Swim event on June 28 with options for either 1k, 2k, or 4k distance options. There is also an option for a 5k run which is scheduled such that you should be able to do both. I'm not sure if I'd be ready for the 4k distance, but I did think doing the 2k and then riding afterwards might be a good option. Any thoughts on adding this event to the schedule?

    Sounds good, just approach it as another training day and keep the option open for the 4k vs 2k swim. A 4k swim with a ride afterwards would be a great session for you. 

    Now that Raleigh 70.3 is over, I need to start thinking about this event.  I'll start the GF plan on Monday.  Should I adjust the swim workouts at all to increase volume to prepare for the 4K?  Or just keep with the plan and wing it?


  • Posted By Nemo Brauch on 07 Jun 2015 02:48 PM

    Posted By Coach Rich on 23 Apr 2015 09:19 AM

    Posted By Nemo Brauch on 22 Apr 2015 01:25 PM


    OK- one more (longer term) question to add to the above.



    After the HIM on 5/31, I'll be taking a week off (yay!) and then starting the "Get Faster" plan with an end date of 7/12 (looking forward to finding out what that looks like!) Anyway, there is a local Open Water Swim event on June 28 with options for either 1k, 2k, or 4k distance options. There is also an option for a 5k run which is scheduled such that you should be able to do both. I'm not sure if I'd be ready for the 4k distance, but I did think doing the 2k and then riding afterwards might be a good option. Any thoughts on adding this event to the schedule?

    Sounds good, just approach it as another training day and keep the option open for the 4k vs 2k swim. A 4k swim with a ride afterwards would be a great session for you. 

    Now that Raleigh 70.3 is over, I need to start thinking about this event.  I'll start the GF plan on Monday.  Should I adjust the swim workouts at all to increase volume to prepare for the 4K?  Or just keep with the plan and wing it?

    If you can / are swimming the volumes prescribed in the GF plan you can swim the 4k. However, if you have more time available to swim, beyond the 1hr per session prescribed in the plan, then swim more. 

  • Thanks! I'll stick with what is in the plan- I certainly don't have more time!
  • Hey There! OK- first, I did the 4k OWS. Weather was crap and the chop was really bad, but I survived without a wetsuit too! I wasn't able to do the bike after- just too tired, but it was a big confidence booster since IMMD is likely to be choppy as well.

    Anywho, I'm getting ready to start the IM Prep plan and have been looking ahead to get my work/life schedule in order. The way things work out for us IMMD peeps, Week 15 (The Camp, RR#1 week) is one week before Labor Day. My question is this: Is there any way to put the Camp RR#1 week on Week 16 running Saturday/Sunday/Monday (into Wk 17) to take advantage of the holiday and free day off from work? And if so, how would we adjust the schedule? I know it's a lot way off, but with limited vacation time, it would be nice to take advantage of the "free" day if I can (and I'm sure others could as well).

    Thanks! Nemo

  • Posted By Nemo Brauch on 09 Jul 2015 02:01 PM


    Hey There! OK- first, I did the 4k OWS. Weather was crap and the chop was really bad, but I survived without a wetsuit too! I wasn't able to do the bike after- just too tired, but it was a big confidence booster since IMMD is likely to be choppy as well.



    Anywho, I'm getting ready to start the IM Prep plan and have been looking ahead to get my work/life schedule in order. The way things work out for us IMMD peeps, Week 15 (The Camp, RR#1 week) is one week before Labor Day. My question is this: Is there any way to put the Camp RR#1 week on Week 16 running Saturday/Sunday/Monday (into Wk 17) to take advantage of the holiday and free day off from work? And if so, how would we adjust the schedule? I know it's a lot way off, but with limited vacation time, it would be nice to take advantage of the "free" day if I can (and I'm sure others could as well).



    Thanks! Nemo

    Notes:

    • Do the wk15 camp schedule on the weekend of wk16
    • However, for ^this^ wk16, I'd probably (1) the long run on Thurs, (2) Fri = RR swim and short run, (3) Sat and Sun are per wk15 Fri and Sat schedule, (4) Monday of wk17 = another long swim and run.
    • In other words, while it's valuable to use the holiday weekend, doing the camp week as big stuff on Sat, Sun, Mon (especially long run Monday) starts bleeding ^that^ into the wk17 schedule, creating friction in wk17, etc. So doing the wk16 long run on Thurs vs wk17 Monday allows you to preserve the integrity of wk17
  • Got it. I think! I'll ping back to work out details in the Micro thread when we get closer, but it's good to know I have the option of using the holiday weekend and not taking another valuable vacation day.
  • Coach Rich- thanks for the updated Season Plan! I've got one kink to add to the plan. I didn't do IMMD last weekend after all. Loooong story - but the reschedule just didn't work for me. So I've already been tapering for 4 weeks and don't really need another 4 weeks of post IM recovery. How should we re-adjust the plan.
  • Ok, no worries. I recommend you do Run Durability 1, 2, 3 back to back until the start of JanOS on 1/4/16. Good luck!
  • Hey there. I don't know if I need to submit a new TSR request or not, but I do have a few changes/updates.

    First- I'm currently on wk 3 of the Run Durability 1 plan. I'll start wk 4 on Monday 11/9.

    Second- I've added the following key events/races to my calendar
    2/20-22 Birthday Weekend, long point to point ride 100-150 miles over 3 days
    4/17 Flying Pirate Half Marathon
    5/1 Half Ironman (Monticelloman- local small grass roots race)
    5/14 & 15 Kinetic Half Ironman Sat, Sprint on Sun

    Third- I've added some 5K's and 10K's to the winter schedule- but I don't really see those as being major impacts to the Macro schedule- I'll just work those out on as needed in the Micro plan.
  • Yes, your addition of those halfs in May significantly changes things. Please give this to me via the TSR dealio and I'll plan it out for you.
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