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anyone use maffetone training principles?

has anyone out there read any of the recent books by dr maffetone? If so have you tried any of his training methods AND if so what were your results?

 

thx!

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  • A couple of winters ago I spent the snowy months in Central IL running 100% in the HR range and had a great Spring, setting some nice 5k PRs. I haven't had a ton of experience with Maff but there's good evidence. Mark Allen had a very similar style of training.

    There are a couple of ways to build your fitness house. Maffetone and EN tend to work 180* from each other as I understand. Maff wants to slow down and build endurance first, then sharpen with speed. EN builds your speed first, then draws it out for endurance.

    While I did well with Maff with short distance racing, I tend to lean toward EN's philosophy for long events. Mainly because of recovery concerns. I still have plenty to learn and am new to events >2h, so with my experiment of one I'll have to see if it goes well.
  • thx b. if you have any questions about austin later in the year let me know. Ive done it 3x. Closest race to home for me!
  • I've never checked out Dr. Phil's "method", so I looked it up:

    http://www.philmaffetone.com/what-is-the-maffetone-method

    Seems he is most interested in getting our whole system tuned up well. So nutrition, aerobic fitness, stress management, etc all seem important to him.

    When I;ve heard Mark Allen talk about his breakthrough after encountering Maffetone, he (Allen) seemed to emphasize not Far Before Fast (or vice Versa), but the value in switching gears every 3 months or so. Allen implies that Maffetone taught him that after a period of time, he would plateau using one method of training, so that would mean it was time to switch to another, Specifically, he talks about watching his heart rate gradually drop from, say the 150s to the 130s when he would do his long runs at an easy pace. When his HR stayed level for a while, he would switch to doing fast/short/intense intervals. When his speed at those would plateau, he'd switch back to the LSD stuff. Rinse and repeat.

     I don;t see that as the opposite of EN; I see it as the same as EN, as pointed out previously.

  • thanks all.
    I have been suspecting that the truth for me is in what La wrote - That there is value in switching gears from time to time.
    I think that I came to EN chronically over z4 and z5'd in my training patterns.
    I am tempted to do an experiment this out season to try and cap myself at mafetone's target heart rate (low 130's for my age) and see if I can improve my times at those heart rates.

  • Posted By <a href='http://members.endurancenation.us/ActivityFeed/tabid/61/userid/2859/Default.aspx' class='af-profile-link'>jimmy augustine</a> on 05 Jan 2015 06:27
    I am tempted to do an experiment this out season to try and cap myself at mafetone's target heart rate (low 130's for my age) and see if I can improve my times at those heart rates.
    That would be inconsistent with the overall EN structure of the OS. During these three months, we are emphasizing short intense activity to build strength and tolerance for hard work in preparation for the longer slower stuff which will occupy the 12 weeks before an long distance race.

    If you dont have an HIM or IM planned before august, though, there would be value in trying a run or bike durability block, with the type of work you suggest, followed by a Get Faster block before starting race prep.
  • Thx Al. I know it isnt consistant with EN structure. But I am self coached after all. I have spent the past couple of off seasons (and prior to EN with Crossfit Endurance training for marathons) trying to improve my 5k speed and it hasnt budged. I am starting to think that if I want different results I need to try different action.

    Here is what I have settled on for Jan and Feb regarding the run -
    Tuesday - 1hr treadmill run test - 1mi warm up to target HR (131bpm) then 3x1mi @ 131bpm writing down mile splits. I will compare the avg pace week over week. Same treadmill. Controlling as much variables as possible.
    Thursday - 1hr interval run ala get faster or outseason
    Saturday - 90min long run with the first hr @ 131bpm.

    It is an experiment. My times will either improve or they wont. At the end of Feb I will reasses.
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