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2015 Jan OS Week 2 Run

OK, we're off and running now.  (Pun intended)

Try to listen to Patrick's podcast Run Paces & Overachieving that's in the right margin of your training plan.   The first few minutes are about using the calculators but the last 3-4 are very relevant to settling into your OS.

 I think the honeymoon has a couple of weeks duration before the novelty wears off, the lactate accumulates, and the overall fatigue increases.  IMO, the sooner you can quiet the excitement of the new season and settle into a purposeful mode of attack with the plan, the easier it'll be on you in the Head Game come week 4,5,6, whatever. 

Respect the rest days.  They're put where they are for a reason.  Life dictates adjustments.  Just be smart.  Don't need to double up to make up.  If you need to make switches to the plan for the week, keep in mind where you want to be in 14 weeks, not at the end of this week.  No shame in asking, here or the Micro.

 Good luck, peeps.

 Train hard, stay healthy, have fun!

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  • Did an easy recovery run on the hotel treadmill this evening, 5mi @ 7:09 pace. HR stayed very low.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/672396366
  • Matt....could you please make your 7:09/mi run sound slightly harder somehow?  That's faster than my Z4! 

  • 4 miles this evening at EP. Like Jeff, not dropping 7's on my easy runs... just saying.

  • @Matt...just wanted thanks for the advice to up my cadence on the bike to 90 rpm...it made a HUGE difference on the run.  

    Also...REALLY, easy run at 7:00???  Good on ya mate!

    -BK

     

  • z1 run brick done this am - 25'. Legs had felt tight on the bike but the run loosened them up.

    Definitely no easy 7:00 miles for me!
  • Ok. Traveling for work and have had to adapt a bit. Went into the hotel gym to do the Tuesday bike session to find the two bikes occupied. So called an audible and did the Wednesday run instead. 430am in home time zone but got an hour in on the treadmill. Took the first 30 min at z1 to get myself awake. Then 2x1 z4 which is 8:13 for me. Also put together another 7min of z2 at the end. Trying not to overreach early in the OS. My goal from workout to workout is to accumulate more of the "quality" time after the intervals.
  • Man, I feel for you guys that have to blend this while traveling for work. Hotel spin bikes and $99 treadmills, 8x12 rooms with no fan, swappin' sweat with that guy, etc....PROPS to you!


    Did my 30' ez run with 3x strides at the end on the treadmill.
    about 1.5 hrs before the bike, think it helped loosen me up, both for today's bike and for tomorrow's run priority.
    Kept HR really low, and the strides felt good.

    Calf/Achilles OK, tightness minimal, should be good to go for tomorrow, but will def not overachieve (same page as you, Jimmy!)

    in safe & sound
  • 20' Z1 run with 4 x Steps done this afternoon.
  • I'm on the just get some running in plan 25' run/walk.  While I'd like to be doing the intervals I'm probably waiting until week 8 to test.  We will see how the progression goes.

     

  • @ Brian / Jeff / Roy, you know it already but I'm compelled to say it...pace in absolute terms is irrelevant. I post it, like others, so I'm held accountable for completing my workouts and hitting my targets. But we all know that % of your TP/z4/LT pace is the key. If your z4 is 10:00/mi and you do 2 miles at that and I do 2 miles at 6:15, well we got the same workout. Actually you get a bigger workout at 10:00/mi because you ran hard for 20 minute and I only ran hard for twelve and a half. So props to people with the slower z4 who hit all their intervals.
  • Good run tonight. I did a 5 miler easy on the treadmill last night following a pretty big Sunday of 14 mi running and 60' riding, so I didn't know what to expect today on week #2 when my legs should be starting to feel the effects of hard training again. But it went really well and managed to nail a reasonably tough workout.

    I did 9 miles with 5 mile LT intervals each one with 400m recovery (last week was 8mi with 4x1mi). Like last week, I did this workout as laps around the perimeter of a mall parking lot. Sounds strange but it was after dark and the lot was lighted. Terrain was slightly rolling. One lap was 1.29 miles.

    Overall 9.0 miles in 59:02, avg pace 6:34/mi.
    Warmup 1.5 mi @ 7:01
    Mile intervals: 6:08, 6:04, 6:01, 6:00, 6:04
    Cooldown 1 mi @ 6:44

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/673117440
  • Matt.....just kidding with you!  No question I have to suffer longer than you do too!  Although, when you're doing 4-5 miles at LT (esp with only 400m rest) you are suffering longer.  Just jealous.....

  • Haha. Well these are really good weekly LT run workouts. Next week I have 6x1mi on the schedule, and from then on every week is a 10-11 mile run with 6 miles at LT where the intervals go from 6x1mi to 4x1.5mi to 3x2mi to 2x3mi. Once the intervals get longer than a mile the recovery jogs go to 800m though which is nice...in fact I find 4x1.5 and 3x2 with 800m recovery to be easier mentally and physically than the 6x1mi workout. I will also admit that I have never once successfully completed the 2x3mi!!!.

  • Excited to look at West Seattle forecast for tomorrow! SUN beautiful SUN. That is rare this time of year in Seattle...and ...after tomorrow...rain is in the forecast as far as it goes out. Got lucky last week and this week. you all did well today so far.

  • Posted By Matt Aaronson on 13 Jan 2015 10:19 PM


    Haha. Well these are really good weekly LT run workouts. Next week I have 6x1mi on the schedule, and from then on every week is a 10-11 mile run with 6 miles at LT where the intervals go from 6x1mi to 4x1.5mi to 3x2mi to 2x3mi. Once the intervals get longer than a mile the recovery jogs go to 800m though which is nice...in fact I find 4x1.5 and 3x2 with 800m recovery to be easier mentally and physically than the 6x1mi workout. I will also admit that I have never once successfully completed the 2x3mi!!!.

    Why not just do a few 10K races with warm up and cool down - more fun, and add some ribbons/hardware to your collection?

  • Because I feel bad for everyone that cannot train outdoors right now, I did not let the warm drizzle stop me from getting outside this afternoon for my run.  The warm drizzle turned into a blinding downpour in the middle of my intervals, so eventually good enough became good enough.  5 miles with 1 and 0.5 at z4.  My inability to differentiate between the "stop" button and the "lap" button when tired means that I didn't actually record some of my z4 work.  If TP doesn't log it, does it really count?  

    Any who, keep getting after it everyone.  The real work starts here.

  • Had to lay off today's LT run. Not sure what's going on with my heel but it's getting better. I did a Z2 trainer ride instead. Like Chris said, I'm staying focused on the goal and not the week.
  • Just a quick check in...



    Treadmill, 1.5%

    2mi @ LRP + 30"

    2x 1mi @ TP 7:21 (4')

    15' @ zn2 8:00


    Off to work. Y'all have a great day!
  • Wed. am run done. Was happy to see it was only 40' this as so I "slept in"!

    Warm up
    2x1mi@z4
    then an additional 15'@z3

    It is cold outside - stay warm!
  • Wed rune done - total time 1 hr

    I had some treadmill issues...ok I hit the stop button twice when reaching for my towel...but hit my zones, although exact times are not available

    2x800 at Z4...maybe closer to Z5

    1x1 at Z4

    then, 10 min at Z3 and 6 x 30" strides at then end.

    I have two questions: (I will also ask Coach P in the micro thread)

    1.) I find that I am at my strongest after 30 minutes..should I adjust my warm-up to 30 min from 15 min?

    2.) Running technique - I have spent the last month slowly transitioning from a heel strike to a mid/front foot strike - today i noticed that I was 'lightest' on my feet when I stood up straight and tucked my butt under my shoulders...is that the correct technique?

    Thanks in advance

     

    BK

     

     

     


  • Posted By brian kelly on 14 Jan 2015 09:46 AM

    ...1.) I find that I am at my strongest after 30 minutes..should I adjust my warm-up to 30 min from 15 min?...

    My 2¢: For running intervals, I do a 20-25 min warm-up. About 2.25 miles, then 4 x strides. Then I try to make each interval ever so slightly faster than the one before. I usually find the second one the "easiest" to do, even if all of them are done at the same pace more or less. I also find that doing swim and bike intervals, the first one is sometimes the slowest, and often feels harder than the second one. In some respects, then, its never possible to fully "warm-up" for high intensity work; the completion of the warm up comes during the start of the work.

    Dan Empfield once wrote about working out with Steve Scott, a premier American miler of years gone by. He noted that as Scott got older (i.e. over 40), he seemed to do longer and longer warm ups, usually about equal in length to the amount of time he spent doing the actual work portion of his workout.

    Advice - yeah, for our workouts which involve, say 3 miles worth of hard running, at maybe 20-25 minutes of work, 15 minutes is too short. I've come to believe in the "equal time" warm-up dictum of Steve Scott.

  • Travel and work schedules required a late bike yesterday evening and a early run on the hotel deadmill.  Good news I was able to get one (not always the case) and I executed the workout as prescribed.  My legs felt heavy as a result of the 10ish hours between WKO's as opposed to the normal 24ish but pleased with effort and hitting all zones and times.  The best news is that so far the trip has not blown-up my wko schedule, I am eating properly and now only one more day to go.  Lets hope I can snag the one bike tomorrow morning! 
  • Thanks for the advice Al...I think I will try the equal warm-up for equal work routine.

  • Just another 25' for me, nothing flashy or fast even for me.

    Oh and we now need to sign up to win the Ironman Tri club 2015 - see Brenda's post here:

    http://members.endurancenation.us/F...fault.aspx

     

     

  • Got the run done today.  The weather precluded doing it outdoors, so used one of the "Curve" treadmills at the gym.  Interesting...not bad, not good either.

    Does anyone else run indoors on one of them?

  • After a self-enforced 96 hours in running jail, I tried my knee out on a cushy rubberized outdoor track @ a local college. When I tried to run on Monday, I felt persistent pain under my left knee cap, slightly to the left of center. It didn't go away after 23 minutes of EZ running. I've been feeling the same thing when walking or down stairs. But not on the bike, nor lifting weights. It could have been caused by any of a number of things which have been introduced into my running in the previous ten days:

    • a 5k race, then, six days later, 3 x 1 mi @ 5K pace
    • Using a treadmill @ 1% instead of the 0.5% I usually use.
    • Weekly Uphill bounds
    • Increasing weight on the sled, moving from 180# to 380# over a one month stretch (what I do annually in Dec/Jan in prep for skiing)

    I decided to eliminate all of those possible offenders and do my intervals on the track. Plan was 3 x 1 mi (4') @ Z4; I interpreted that as 10K pace as I have a 10K race coming in 1.5 weeks. Target: 7:20 min/mi. Result: 7:18, 19, 08. Total of 7 miles/60 minutes. There was a twinge in my knee until the middle of the first interval; that was replaced by a twinge in my left hamstring until the end of the workout. I've gotta think there is some slight deviance in my usual gait somehow causing this, so I'm paying more attention to glute firing and toe placement. I'll see tomorrow & Friday if my knee tolerated the workout, but for now, I'm still not freaking out. But I;m not going to lift any more heavy weights!

  • Dreading the lead up to this run today. An open ended meeting preceded my run this afternoon. Since the length of this meeting would cause me to miss lunch, I was fueling every hour to keep my energy up. After three hours my meeting was over and it was run time. I was looking forward to this run all morning, except now I was feeling rather lethargic after sitting for so long. Sucked it up for a 38 degree and sunny run.

    47:30 run time. Shooting for a 7:52 Z4 pace.

    2 x 1/2 mi(2')@Z4 - 7:41 & 7:42
    1 x 1 mi@Z4 - 7:44
    Finish with tima at Z3 pace (8:07)

    http://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/673703525
  • *%?@$*^ run. But got it done who woulda thunk 2 little mile repeats on the mill would be so hard. Mission accomplished!
  • I did the dreaded 3x1 @ goal 5k pace this evening. It is part of week 4 of the get faster plan. The course was mixed, downhill, uphill, and then downhill/flat. My splits were 5:29, 5:48, 5:38 for an average of just under 5:40. This run hurt, especially the uphill middle mile. If I can run a 5k at a 5:39 pace or better, I will be a very happy boy. My PR is 17:56, a 5:46 pace.
  • Peter...awesome. I did that one a week ago on a track. Fyi, i was able to hit the same pace i had held six days earlier in a 5k race. Trust your training and have confidence when you try out that 5:40 pace on race day.
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