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IMSG: a True Destination vs Performance Ironman Course?

Hi,



I got back last night from IMSG. I took a couple days after the race to explore southern UT, one of my favorite areas of the country. I've cycled, motorcycled, and explored UT several times over the years. My plan was to stage my truck Monday morning outside Bryce Canyon, ride 112 on Hwy 12 over Boulder Mtn to Torrey, get a room, return via same route. 31 degrees, ice and snow on the road to Bryce put the kabosh on that plan so I spent the day exploring some backroads in my truck, got to Torrey around 1pm, changed, drove down into Capital Reef and rode the scenic drive out and back on the bike. Yesterday I reversed the route on 12 but went west to the 15, driving over a 9000ft pass, getting on at Cedar City. On Friday I drove to Springdale and cycled the park road in Zion Canyon, followed by a delicious steak salad and Guiness at Oscar's Cafe.



My notes:


IMSG is truly on a level apart from the other races on the US IM calendar. It is something like a World's Toughest or Wildflower of the Ironman world. I'm about to do a podcast to record some thoughts about the race as a race, pacing strategies, and stuff like that, but SG really does need to be raced differently, in many respects, than other US IM's. A large part of this is just having different expectations for this race regarding time, the experience of the day, etc. It's legit, pure and simple.
Very early on the calendar. I know a lot of people had significant training challenges preparing themselves for this race over the winter. In the end, the date of IMSG is only two weeks "better" than the "old" IMAZ date, which was a challenge for people for years.

However...IMSG puts you in the middle of one the most unique parts of the country and I feel is likely the only true destination race on the US calendar. While CDA puts you sorta close (about 4hrs?) from Yellowstone, I've never heard of many people using the race as an opportunity to schedule some tourist time in the west. Madison...Louisville...Florida (not)...LP (I suppose you could explore the Adirondacks but I don't know anyone who does), AZ (could drive north to the Grand Canyon). I've never been to IMCanada but have moto'ed in the Banff/Jasper area...but that's a good 170mi east.



IMSG offers easy transportation to and lodging at the race. More importantly, you can easily do a two day trip after the race and see country you'll never forget. My recommendation:


Sunday: do the AM finisher gear, awards thing. In the afternoon, drive to Springdale/Zion, get a room, and take the shuttle buses into Zion. Or...you can do this as a recovery ride (8 miles in, 8 miles out) on probably one of the most scenic routes you can ever do. No cars are allowed in the park and buses have to wait for you to pull over before they can pass you :-) Dinner at Oscar's, recommend the garlic burger and sweet tater fries
Monday: drive Hwy 9 to Hwy 89 north to Hwy 12 east. Check out Bryce Canyon. Continue east on 12 through Tropic, Escalante, to Boulder, stopping at the Kiva Coffee House along the way for the views. Stay at the Boulder Mtn Lodge in Boulder and have dinner at the Hell's Backbone Grill. If the hotel is full, drive over Boulder Mtn to Torrey, lots of empty hotels there. Jump on your bike and ride (all downhill, or just drive :-) from Torrey to Capital Reef NP, ride the scenic drive into the park (20 miles total, very easy)
Tues: reverse the route, with breakfast at Hell's Backbone Grill again, coffee at the Kiva House. From 89 south, go west on 14 to Cedar City and the 15. Catch your flight from SG or Vegas. I did the above yesterday and was home in LA by 6pm, including some dirt road exploration outside of Escalante.

My point here is that I know a lot of people have likely taken, or are thinking of taking, IMSG off their IM to-do list, based on the experiences this weekend. At the risk of sounding like I work for the UT tourist board or something, I encourage you to think outside of the standard box of IM racing, and consider IMSG to be a total adventure: a fookin' hard course on unique terrain followed by an easy-to-do opportunity to visit the parks and unique areas of southern UT. I know I'm personally looking forward to using training camps and the race as a jump off point for road/mtn biking, dirtbiking adventures for years to come :-)



Pics from the area, taken this weekend



Zion Canyon rawks, see below :-)











Capital Reef NP below







Kiva Coffee House on Hwy 12 between Escalante and Boulder

Comments

  • Agree with the entire proposed itinerary- except I'd skip the IM :-) Sorry- that swim is toooo cold for this l'il peep and I know my limits when it comes to winter training. I've been pulled from the water before with hypothermia, I don't need a repeat.

    Seriously, there is a lot of great stuff to do and see in southern Utah if you like being in the outdoors (and not just from the seat of a bike either). 3 days doesn't even come close to doing it justice. So even if you never do IMSG- consider taking the family there for vacation some time- you won't regret it.
  • "I know I'm personally looking forward to using training camps and the race as a jump off point for road/mtn biking, dirtbiking adventures for years to come :-)"

    So does that mean you'll be toeing the line next year? I don't think there's any possible way I'd do that race living in Minnesota. That said, though, I was surprised how many people from Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota were crossing the finish line when I was watching. Granted I didn't tune in until 14ish hours into the race, so maybe there weren't so many at hours 11-13.

    As for the cold water, I was dinking around on the Total Immersion site the other day, and theres lots of chatter over there about swimming in 50ish water. They seem to think it's no big deal even WITHOUT a wetsuit. You just have to do it a lot...and probably develop a good walrus-like layer of blubber.
  • I dunno....this is one of those events where while I would absolutely love to play out there and explore, I don't know if I'd want to toss the race into the mix. I put it up there with the non-US IM events. Would be really cool to get out and see the world, but a logistical hassle. image

    Of course...if I could get out of NH for parts of the winter I'd probably be plotting.

  • Despite my poor performance at this race I still feel like the race itself is fine. My struggles, outside of the cold water (dealt with the same thing in CDA '08 - water temp was 59.5), were my issues and weren't the fault of the course. Talking to the staff in our hotel, it sounds like the weather we experienced, was truly an anomoly. folks were amazed that it was as cold and windy as it was while we were there. It is a hard course, and it was a challenge to train for it over the winter, but it is all doable. St. George is a great host town too. Very nice people, and stellar volunteers! My biggest beef with the race is the logistics. There was so much movement....driving to the rez to drop off bike, driving to the convention center and back, the buses from town to the rez for the swim, the busses for the spectators (didn't leave the swim until the last person was out on the bike), etc. it was just a lot....not really a "green" kind of race. But definitely well organized!! I'd say you should put it on the list. I probably won't do it again, because of the timing in the year (I really missed my winter play time), but I wouldn't rule it out.
  • That is a truly beautiful part of our country. I've heard the mountain biking there is just amazing. Someday (when I live somewhere warmer and can train outside in the winter) I'll toe the line at IMSG. When I do, there will be a definite adjustment of expectations. Perhaps looking at it like an Eco-Challenge: no monster PR's but just happy to have navigated my way to the finish.
  • FWIW, I've been plotting how I can blatantly use the numbers and cool vibe of EN to put together some epic cool adventures for myself. Something like "I want to do an unsupported 500-600mi loop of UT the last week of September, a five day ride over many passes in CO, a 3 day ride from SFO to Morro Bay, 3 days of riding the eastern Sierras based out of Bishop, etc. Who wants to join me?"

  • @Rich, I'm always down for some 'do cool stuff with your fitness'.

    How about our own Tour of Utah?
  • I DNF with the 55 degree swim but will be back. Spent 3 days hiking Zion, visited Snow Canyon for hiking, and had an amazing day trip over to Bryce. Actually considering buying a vacation property in the area but also want to give the race another shot. Will post some picks to add to Rich's in the next couple days, still at Vegas airport. Disliked Vegas BTW.
    Lynne
  • Rich, pix are great, thanks for posting. Watching on-line Saturday I was blown away by the scenery. I think this might be too early on the calendar for my training, but if not an IM, definitely want to get out there and explore.
  • Good stuff Rich. My family and I have been looking at this race for a while, and I think I will hold out for CDA and Arizona. Just going to be impossible to train for it in Montana. Stunning pics.



    Still holding out for someone to ask me to organize the Montana Glacier Park EN camp.



    Also, does anyone know of any predictors of hypothermia amongst triathletes? I will have to do a literature search on the journals later. Could be fascinating read. Im just thinking about last year at CDA where a lot of folks had problems with the water temp, but I was pretty hunky dory. Quite "refreshing" I actually thought.

  • Greg I would be highly interested in what you find out from your lit review....having done CDA in 59.5 degree water and then IMSG in 58 degree water.....
  • Bike & tour- absolutely! Race IM- highly likely not to happen. Swim is too cold for me to toe that line and just too darned early to train in KY. Now should I move to warmer climates? Maybe but New Zealand would be much higher on the list of early season races! The scenery though is def killa! I will be there with a bike at some point!
  • Two things:



    @rich, if you do come to Utah for a multi day ride, be sure to add some riding in nothern utah, in particularly in the Park City area. As it is in the south (locals call it Dixie, I have not clue as to why) the northern mountains are just as scenic and you can have fun wtih the altitude.



    @greg & @olivia, the bodies reaction to hypothermia is going to determined by many things. I'm a big guy and I once raced in Ft. Collins, CO where the water was 49. I was "OK" with the temp, cold but OK. Other racers were in hurting pretty bad. I was talking with an ex-pro after the race and mentioned the water temp. He said the coldest swim he did was a race in France where the water was a chilly 43.

  • "a layer of blubber", yes that is what I have tried to never have!!! and thus at CDA 08, was very cold in that water, I think 58, AND I am not a swimmer per se .....hate cold water and being cold actually! however UT has appeal for me. never been there. Challenging course does not affect me mentally cuz I am not a FOPer anyways!!! but still I gotta get out of the water.!! the logistics sounds like NOLA in 09, being bussed to swim start and etc was a pain....Dec Jan and Feb I did ride outside and I ran too but not LONG, very cold here this past winter., hardly a soul out during the week.. by March 7th it was warm to enjoy being outside! by late April a few peeps doing OW swims but not a lot.... yep the timing of this one... is tricky. but thanks for the ad for UT. it is on my radar.... will talk to DH if I want to continue with doing all of North Am. IMs.....! I have AZ, UT left. as you know I like training buddies...... and that plays a part tooo. m
  • Greg and Chuck, my travels to/from CDA offer me many cool stuff opportunities every year. Last year I turned it into a 4k mile motorcycle trip. This year...I'm flying .  On my radar:

    • Cycling up to Boise or Lewiston, starting either up around the Mammoth, CA area or outside of Vegas (Hwy 93, Great Basin Hwy)
    • Great Divide Trail, 2500mi of dirt and single track from NM to Canada. Do all or part of it on a dirtbike.

    In other words, depending on how I decide to get up and back from there, I can make a detour to MT, WY, UT, etc to get some cycling in. In '07 I rode over Beartooth Pass, into Yellowstone and out the west entrance to CDA. And I've been to Glacier NP a couple times.

  • I just listened to the EN Podcast interviewing Carrie Chavez regarding this race. Seriously folks, it's a MUST LISTEN!!!!!!!! Like, for Everyone- not just those considering IMSG. The stuff you can learn about executing well and really keeping your head in the game to know what to do when things don't go as expected is just awesome. It's nothing you haven't already been told here as an EN member, but listening to one of our own really lay it out in a real word situation is powerful. I think I'll be listening to that interview many times this year just to get my own head screwed on strait for IMWI- no matter what the conditions!!!
  • @Nemo (or anyone), how do you sign up for EN podcasts to be delivered to Itunes, to sync up with my iPhone? Can that be done?
  • @Scott- I'm sure there are other ways, but here's what I did:

    Go to "Media" on the top menu and select the "Podcast" drop down
    When you get to the Podcast page, look for the heading instruction that says something like "subscribe to get our podcasts here" with a link. That link should take you to the Itunes subscription page.
  • I just searched for endurance nation in Itunes, and found it
  • @Nemo, I'll try it tonight.

    @Jason, I found them by searching before but couldn't find the option/menu settings on how to subscribe to them.
  • Haven't heard Carrie's podcast, but her RR had a good point. Even if you live in a climate where you can train for an early season race, unless you are swimming in cold water as well, it will still be a tough swim. Very different to train in 70+ degree water vs 55 or so. Last year for an Oly, the swim was cut in half because the water temp was 52 degrees. The next day it was up to 58 thanks to rain overnight and the sprint swim felt harder. Mentally I was preparing for a "warmer" 2nd swim and didn't get it.

    But having lived in SLC for 6 years and spent quite a bit of time in Southern Utah, I can tell you that there is no better place to get away from it all, get great exercise, and have amazing views. The hiking and mountain biking are incredible. This is what I miss about the SW every day that I am on the crowded east coast. Someday I hope to get back there, or else move really far SW (Australia).
  • I would do ST G again-right now it is my week to work in 2011, already trying to figure out a switch-yeah the water was cold, but now I know and would work on acclimating. It was the hardest, most beautiful IM have had done (and I have done WI, LP, CdA, and Lousville) it was also my slowest, BUT it was also one of my best mental days-I really had fun, I never warmed up, but I had fun. We spent time in Zion and Bryce and I would love to go back. Well worth considering-we are going to Cozumel next-hoping that is a great destination too. I really ended up embracing this race as a really long training day-if I get to do it in 2011 I will train a little differently, though I used the EN plan I was not able to get in nearly all that was listed-life just got in the way, but my aerobic base got me through and the new confidence I have is great.
    Good luck to all in 2010
  • Sheryl, good perspective on ST G! Congrats on finishihng it!
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