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Hi there!  Day 1 of the IM plan and I already have a question! 

So the IM Beg plan has a 3hr ride on Sat.  There is a cancer charity ride on Sat. and I can either do 50 or 100.  I was thinking of the 100 but then I saw 3hrs in the plan, and that is more like a 50mi ride for me.  But with few organized century rides coming up, I have considered the 100 but don't want to start off the IM plan by overachieving...  Also, I have only done two 60-ish mile rides so far so 100 might be a stretch at this point.  But, I'm not going to be able to do the Sun. ABP ride so maybe doing longer on Sat. is a good idea. (I would def need to drop the pre-ride run on Sat. to do the 100 miler.  Not sure how likely a run is after that either....)  Sprint tri planned on Sun. (Only doing it to do it with my wife very slowly..)

And in general if I get opps like this, is it OK to extend Sat. ride and then skip Sun. ABP? (I'd still do the Sun. run since I'm one of those low vdot peeps)

Help me decide! 

Comments

  • Kim, I had only done one 70-mile ride before the 112 on Sat. and I was fine! It was a low Zone 1 ride and I did not do the ABP ride yesterday (ran instead). I think you'll be fine doing the century! Great way to kick off IM training:-)
  • Century...just fuel it up!!!
  • Finished my second ever 100 mile ride yesterday. (Previous one was part of a little race in FL in 2012). it was kinda slow but effort was on target- Overall .71IF. First half was a little harder than I had planned as I was trying to find some wheels to grab thinking it would be better in the long run but burned too many matches. Obviously that won't be an issue on race day! Here's the Garmin file. https://connect.garmin.com/dashboard?cid=2467896

    So this weekend there's a metric Century in Sunday I'd like to do. I was thinking of just flip-flopping Sat and Sunday. Does that make sense or should I do something different? Thanks!
  • Kim, that file isn't public so I can't see it, but Nice Work!!! Yes to flip flopping, that's totally fine..just maybe take monday off or swim ony as needed. Keep up the consistency!!!!
  • Hey Coach. Some good training this week, but not as much as I'd like (but earned some SAUs!). There is another opp for a Century ride on Sunday so I wanted to get your thoughts. I'm on Week 11 of IM plan. I could actually do my big training day on fri afternoon, Sat. Off then century on sun. They have a "leg saver" version (less hilly, about 4800ft) so I'd do that one. Thoughts? If i do it, any other modifications needed for the week. There is actually ANOTHER Century 8/2 so if this one isn't ideal that's fine but I feel like they're good to do, but you're the expert!
  • Kim, like how you are keeping the balance!!! image I say yes to the big day on Friday, then Sat off, then leg saver sunday. No reason you can't do another century on 8/2..but let's get through this weekend first!!!! image
  • Hi Coach! I'm traveling next week so I will miss Wed & Thurs. WKOs. Can you tell me how to juggle that so I'm getting the key WKOs in on Mon-Tues and Fri-Sun? (I have 1/2 days on Fri. so I can squeeze some stuff there) Thanks!
  • KD -

    I say you swim on Monday and do a short 30' run with strides. Tuesday is FTP ride and run. Wed/Thu are off. Friday is Swim + Run. Sat is as planned. Sunday is the long run from Thursday. Monday is off...and back at it! Happy travels!
  • Hi Coach P! I had a Great long run today! I'm looking ahead at the training plan and wanted to get your input. I may have an issue with doing the long runs on thurs. in the weeks where they are 2.5 and 3 hrs. Based on when I get out of work and can start my run, I might run out of daylight and i definitely need the miles! For those weeks, it would be better to move the runs to the weekend. Should I just switch to the minimalist plan or is there some other "rejiggering" that you can reco? Thanks!
  • Kim you can split those long runs until week 15 (Camp week), then they must be long. So when it's 2.5 hours, then yes, you can load the minimalist for those final 5 weeks? Or just go Tuesday FTP bike, Wed FTP Run, Thu ABP Ride (up to 90'), then Friday as planned, Sat as planned, Sunday = Long run day!!!!

    Note when you run long on Sunday, Monday is a swim only day!
  • Hi Coach P! Got in some great training at IMChoo camp this past weekend although Saturday was rough. See details here and feel free to provide some input. http://members.endurancenation.us/Forums/tabid/57/aft/19432/Default.aspx
    First question: I'm a bit concerned about my ability to hold a reasonable power target on race day. I'd like to get in more long rides (ie longer than 5 hrs as in the plan.). Since I'm moving to the Minimalist plan, any issue extending that Sat ride to 6+ hrs considering I'll likely be <68%? <br /> 2nd question- next Sunday (which will be the IM RR run Day for me) I have a sprint tri I'm doing the bike as a relay. Just 12 miles, but likely 35 mins or so at 95-100%. I can either do the long ride or run on the day before, and the other after the relay as I'll likely be done by 9:30-10. Any thoughts on what would be preferable?
  • Kim, okay, you got good feedback over there, and glad the bike part got resolved. So my thoughts, in no order.

    1) I am dying to ask you what your sweat test said you needed to drink, as nutrition is hydration, then calories. But I am afraid as your description makes it seem like you are only thinking food not fluids. image Here is the cheat sheet you need: http://j.mp/1B5wtZH
    Literally it walks you through how FLUIDS are your #1 priority for the race...calories come second. I don't know why you would soup up gatorade endurance with infinit -- infinIT is not meant to be used that way, and GE has plenty of calories. Then you choose Gu products even though we don't recommend them...and no mention of external salt pills. GIRLFRIEND GET YOURSELF TO THE NUTRITION PAGE ASAP.

    2. Your IF drops on your rides b/c you are coasting...so you should be targeting .7 (aka that NP) and let the IF fall where it does at the end. If you aim for .68 it will be .65 or lower...not worth it. That said, for your hilly rides you should really practice floating / shifting on the way up, then continuously pedaling the downhills until 32+ MPH....coasting on the downhills and not soft pedaling into the flats will cost you valuable time.

    3. Your RRs are meant to be done on FLAT COURSES, not ones with 5500 ft of climbing. RRs are where you lock in HR and WATTS and practice your nutrition. See coach rich picking bike path vs mountains of death. Hilly courses are for non RR rides. image

    4. Yes to 6 hour rides, but only on FLAT COURSES. If you go hilly, you gotta keep it shorter, like 4-5 h as in the plan.

    5. I suggest you do the RR run AFTER the race, but but but you will need to make many loops and stay super hydrated. If I find out you are doing 2.5 thimbles of GE mixed with Fruit Loops and Angel Dust I will go nutso. image
  • 1. Ok, it appears I need to redo my sweat test. The one I had was old, with an old testing protocol and I'm having a hard time translating. The current formula also assumes you lose weight and I had gained on my prior sweat test. I have stuck with my assumption because they seemed to work (in terms of peeing) but.... well, apparently not.
    I use Infinit because I like the protein in it and add GE for flavor as I don't love Infinit taste. GU is also for taste. Can't stand Powergels. I have never used salt or electrolytes but I can revisit after sweat test redo.
    2. Got it.
    3. Got it. Don't have to ask me twice to ride flat vs hilly. My only true RR was on the IMChoo course but will choose a flat one for next RR.
    4. Got it.
    5. Yup, I will hit the canal line trail and make sure I have access to car and fluids.

    Thanks for the input!
  • try EFS if you lose a lot of fluids/electrolytes and you want something that tastes good image
  • KD, you don't need protein during endurance exercise. It just makes you burp -- see core diet bit on it under stomach distress: http://www.thecorediet.com/blog/how_avoid_gut_issues_exercise/

    there was much made of protein in year's past, but it has faded. protein does give a "satiated" feeling but that's not required when racing...you need fuel and hydration...honestly, I'd try just straight GE, with sweat test info, and see if you really bonk. You'd be in the super super super minority....
  • Hey Coach P! Had a pretty good training weekend, even though my power meter crapped out on me so I had to do today's long ride by hr. Luckily I have 2 PMs so I'm going to swap them out and send the bad one to Powertap.

    I've been on the Minimalist plan the past couple weeks because I can't get enough daylight now on thurs for the long runs. With the long weekend, I was thinking of trying to do the regular week 17 plan vs Minimalist with some tweaks. I have 1/2 day fri and Mon off. I was thinking run fri, OWS Saturday. Sat bike on Sunday and Sunday brick on Monday.

    Thoughts? Thanks!
  • KD, sound like a plan!

    ps - thank goodness for back up powermeters! image
  • Thanks for the chat and video today. ( although the audio came through fine, the video was funky, but I get it anyway. <img src='http://members.endurancenation.ushttp://members.endurancenation.us/DesktopModules/ActiveForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif' align="absmiddle" border="0" class="afEmoticon" /> My RR ride will be on a flat rail trail cuz there's too many hills anywhere else. I may have to slow down for children though but otherwise I'll keep glued to the numbers! I will have to stop for road crossings. i might be better off starting earlier to avoid the riff raff but I did want to do the swim first. Which is more important? (Swim first or early bike with less people on the trail) Also, any thoughts on riding more than 6 hrs given race day will be closer to 7-7 1/2? (See, I'm feeling more optimistic already!) ?? thanks again

    Ps here's the link to the bestbikesplit.com info I mentioned. It must assume I'm wearing a jet pack...
    https://www.bestbikesplit.com/public-race?r=18414
  • Wait, you DONT WEAR A JET PACK? WTF!!!!! image

    I say ride early then swim later (pull buoy mostly)...it's all good.

    That said, I only want first hour at .67/.68 ... The remainder of your 6 hours should be at .7 please!! Please remember our mantra -- MINIMAL COASTING!!!

    (and yes, you will surprise yourself on race day)
  • So my RR started off well, then not so well.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/390813220
    or here
    https://connect.garmin.com/activity/896468500

    I rode on a rail trail so any of the cadence drops we talked about were either tight turns or road crossings. I kept it as steady as I could. My AP was 120 and NP was 126 so pretty good VI. I did have some 2nd half fade. I attribute that to the Gatorade that I bought vs. the GE that I'll be using on race day. (less sodium) Usually I finish my concoctions first then switch but I drank my first couple of bottles then the stuff I bought (cold) and then back to my stuff. That won't happen on race day obviously. I have been tweaking my nutrition since camp and still feel like it isn't 100% but it is what it is. Run was good except for some slow down on 1 mile due to major chaffing from getting caught in the rain on the bike then running in soggy bike shorts. Fun....

    Ready to taper!
  • KD, nice work! Note that while your power faded, your HR actually increased (136 avg thru mile 60 then 138 over the end). Could be it got hotter too...hence power of early nutrition and staying wet (on hot days). Overall I am pretty pleased here...taper time it is!!!!!
  • Work stuff and pre-race logistics (bike service and Trbiketransport) are screwing up my planned training for the week. I can't do my long-ish run Wed., Thurs or Fri. I could do it Sunday, or do it Sat. and move the longer bike from Sat. to Sun. I will likely swim Wed. & Fri and Thurs would be my off day.

      

    Don't these people know I have an Ironman coming up? Geez!
  • image It's a lot to manage!!!

    I say that you do the Sat bike, then run long on Sunday, Monday off.....if that won't work with the schedule, then I say Long run Sat, then the Sat bike on Sunday, just no intensity.

    Swimming and resting this week is ok. If crazy you can get in a 30 to 40 minute steady Z2 run in there somewhere...
  • Well, I survived Choo and made the cutoffs and had a PR vs imfl 2012. I felt I could have done better but confidence plus icky stomach got in the way. Is it possible to be happy and disappointed at the same time? Full report here: http://members.endurancenation.us/Forums/tabid/57/aft/19732/Default.aspx

    I have a bike race (Jamestown) planned in 2 weeks. It is a deferral from last year so no huge deal if I don't do it. I'd like to but life (moms surgery) and legs will dictate more than anything else. Assuming I do it, what should I be doing to "train"? All the hay is in the IM barn so to speak training wise but I'm sure there are some differences in IMCHOO vs Janestown. Lol. Weather looks crappy for next few days in CT so let's assume I start on Monday....
  • Kim, a PR on that course is impressive..and is worth several minutes on any other course. If you can survive that run, you can do anything. Confidence should be up after this race (proving you can do it) and the icky stomach thing is something you can fix with what you have learned (and some more trial and error).

    Not being able to race to your potential is actually pretty common in an IM, how you handle that situation is what defines you, not the time on that clock. Being able to process and evolve after each race is critical, so don't miss that chance here.

    I don't know the distance, terrain or type of race...not familiar with Jamestown and am on a plane with no wifi as I type this. So I can't give you too much info other than to say your first 3 days of riding are really just getting loose and shaking things out. Then that weekend you could get in a longer ride of 90 to 120 mins with a bit of upper tempo at the end. But then it's really taper time in that last week...so short with some harder pick ups as you wind things down.

    IF you have more info on the race, please pass it along and I'll hit it as I continue to travel!

    Congrats on the finish!

    ~ Coach P
  • Thanks Coach! I feel better. image

    Here's the Jamestown course: http://www.mapmyride.com/us/jamestown-ri/imapmyride-oct-11-2010-10-26-am-jamestow-route-24152920

    It's 38 miles. Pretty flat with some little bumps. http://jamestownclassic.org/indexclassic.cfm

    I'll plan on getting in some miles on Sunday. Haven't been on the bike since IMChoo yet since it has pretty much been raining since I got back!!

    Good luck in Kona! Can't wait to track you and the team!
  • Those bumps will be the critical separations...classic roadie course...you should probably have a race plan before you start so you are ready to do what you have to do regardless of what happens tactically! Good luck and hopefully good weather!
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