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2016 JOS Wk 10 Bike Thread - Honor your training Self

As I wrote on my FB page last night, we honor the life of Nancy Reagan who passed away yesterday: you can read the rest there. But I digress and my ADHD comes back to Tri Training, for you(and me), it is week 10, we all have things we wished we did better in this OS (Except for Trent the tank who seems to nail every wko with precision)

It is time to honor yourself with one week of as close to perfection as you can come. Work on getting in every workout. If you are like me, don't do the bike in the AM and say "oh, I'll do the run this evening." Because we both know that doesn't happen!

nail every interval. If you can't do it at 1.0 (and you aren't necessarily supposed to) then do it @ .95, just as nike says, do it! Next week you will know what is possible in training!



and lastly, if you have been reticent on punching in here, commenting on you training partners & displaying your accomplishments, find the extra 5 minutes, please





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  • ok, I guess I am starting things off. 2nd attempt in 3 weeks at 3x15.
    1st interval went well with a good struggle in the last 4 minutes, but nothing epic - .98
    2nd interval was a real cage fight, especialy in the last 5 minutes - .975
    3rd interval - Mind could have gone over matter much better. My initial goal was to stick it out for at least half of the interval, but I quit after 2 mins.
    My feeling is that I am probably overcooking some of my longer runs and that is creating some accumulated fatigue that is hurting me on Long Bike interval days.. Giving into the thinking of doing better at working at and not above levels to provide better downstream Wkos, I have ceded the 3rd interval to this idea.
    https://www.strava.com/activities/511568405
  • 3X15 done as .95, 1.01,1.00. Computer problems on Zwift on first go of 15' so not sure where numbers really fell but that's what it said as no cadence was showing and power crazy up and down. Reset app and everything seemed better on rest of workout. Noticed HR is getting used to the new FTP and may try edging up the power when I get to Hawaii and try the workouts on the real roads Followed with a brick run descending from TRP to Z2ish in some new Hoka digs
  • @Trent, consistently impressive.  @Scott, 3x15' is a bear, especially with new FTP numbers, especially if you try to do them closer to 1.0.

    I trained through some lingering illness over the weekend, which left me pretty fatigued and sore yesterday.  Today I woke up feeling better, but quads were still a little sore.  Not great, as quads are a pretty essential tool for the 3x15'.  Oh well. Decided to do the first one at .95, which was smart.  First 5 minutes were tough, but then I loosened up.  Spent the last 5 minutes closer to 265, ended at .96.  Targeted 1.0 for the second one, faded a bit at the end, finished at .99. Two minutes into the third, I popped.  Decided to do 2' on, 1' off, until I was toast.  After six of them @269-274NP, I was indeed toast.  So, I got in 42 minutes @.95+, 75 minutes @230NP.  Good enough. Looking forward to a big Thursday showdown with the Z5's. 

  •       After being sick all weekend, feeling better, but bike workout turned into 3X10'@ .98, .98, .99. Power a little low, heart rate got pretty high, and I sweated bucketfulls. Hopefully burned most of the crud out.

         Run done as a brick outside, starting to get nice here.

         @Scott, thanks for the leadership and inspiration.

  • 3x12's at .96, .97, and 1.0. Really starting to see the benefits of consistant training. All this coming off my highest volume training week in 9 months and still injury free and feeling stronger each week. Thanks to all you EN motivators for pushing the limits and leading the way. Now I really understand the whole concept of "work works".
  • This sounds stupid, but I am just getting the hang of this 0.95-1.0 stuff.  I thought I could just set my zones, but the Garmin zones don't match the EN zones and I can't edit it on my 500 (unlike my 910)- or CAN I????  So I realized that I have to pre-figure what 0.95 is, then stare at my Garmin and try to keep it there or higher.  3x15" this AM ended up at 0.94, 0.96, 0.90... I was feeling the effects of 15K hilly race 48 hours ago!  That compares to 0.88/0.96/0.88 last Tuesday when I thought I was just supposed to stay "in the zone" by listening to the Garmin beeps.

    But I think I get it now!  And I think these new (lower) zones will feel about right once I practice holding that one number I'm aiming for.

  • @Leslie yes you can set your garmin to the EN zones. Just go into A) Garmin connect for your device B) Utilities(Upper left) C) Settings D) Users settings,scroll down to get the power settings, manual input. I start with highest zone and work down. Then sync your device. Hope this helped !
  • I hate Tuesday. Yup, I said it. It is the toughest day of the week for me. Tuesday is my 3rd work day and this week my shift started Sunday evening then started right back up Monday morning. It is very difficult for me to drum up the energy needed for the long FTP workouts. Today, my plan called for 12', 20', & 12' at best effort (95 - 100%) I hit the first interval and tried to stay conservative. I knew the 20' interval was going to be a bear. I made it through at 267W and then tried to recover. I started the 2nd and it was a fight right from the beginning. I was very evident that 20 minutes at that pace was not going to happen. I would lose a lot of watts once I passed 12 minutes. So, I adjusted my goal and tried to equal the first interval. I had to drop my cadence but kept it above the full on grind mode. I finished #2 at 268W. However, this is where my confidence began to fade. I immediately started to think about shortening the last interval to 10 minutes or maybe 8 minutes. I got started and once again I dropped my cadence. I started out at 85 rpm, but quickly dropped to 80. and started the fight. I swear that gorilla bit me. As I got to 8 minutes, I had regained some of my confidence. I took a glance at Rule # 10 and just kept going.. I was able to finish this interval at 263W.  I owe the gorilla 8 minutes in the ring, but I did get in some quality work.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/512175915

  • @Leslie, you should be able to set your zone through Garmin Connect then upload to your 500. In GC, click Devices, then click on your device/garmin 500, then click on User Settings and scroll down to power zones. I put in my FTP and adjust the percentages to make them the same as my EN zones. Opening another window with your EN zones/percentages makes it easier.

    Well, I had interesting results today and it was another kick my butt workout. I did the intervals at .99, .97, .96. I was expecting to hit 1.0, at least for the first two, like I did in Saturday's workout. That last interval was a huge struggle but after a short recovery, I was able to do the last 4' interval at .85. Then had a good run on tired quads/legs. The main difference I can think of between Saturday and today was that I had more sleep Friday night/Sat morning (about 7.5 hrs). I was up at 4:45am Monday and today which gave me about 5 hours of sleep each night. So, I need to get more sleep, which I already knew! On the bright side, my NP in all 3 intervals today was higher than last Tuesday's = improvement.
  • @Ed Croucher - Strong, just strong! Keep fighting the good fight!
    @ everyone - great teamwork helping out Leslie with the technical issue!

    Lots o strong work getting done here
  • Got the INT workout done. Felt just about right. Bricked outdoors afterwards and legs still felt quite heavy from so much work last week being stacked into 4 days.

    Onward! image
  • Various obligations moved my bike wko to 9:30 pm. Pro tip: this is not the best plan.

    I ended up breaking the 45 minutes of work into 4 blocks instead of 3, but got it done. 0.99, 1.02, 1.00, 1.03

    I find myself getting through the last few minutes of intervals by knowing how many crank cycles I have left and just counting...I guess I figure I can get through if I can quantify it. 200 strokes seems doable, but if I have to start counting at more like 400, I know I'm in trouble. :-)
  • I'm a day off this week. Did 3 X 12s this am with my new Bff - Zwift. And, either I've gotten a lot stronger, last FTP test had issues, or something's wonky with my stages/zwift pairing although all appears good. I did them at 1.0, 1.1, and 1.11, purposely pushing above FTP to get HR more in line with FTP HR. I do calibrate my stages with the Garmin 520 before each ride, but then need to turn the Garmin off in order for the stages to pair with Zwift. Haven't figured out yet if you can calibrate with zwift. Anyhow... getting'r done!!
  • @Steve and @Derrek- thank you!  I went to GC and fixed my zones.  Now someone explain to me why the EN zones skip numbers????  I made Z4 be the 0.95-1.0, I let my Z5 go and made Z6 be the 1.1-1.2 range.  We'll see how that goes for tomorrow's 4x4s. 
  • Bike crushed me last night...gorilla was on the back from the get. Ended up with a 10' and 7' at around .97. Ran an 1/8 mile brick before I bagged it; I had nothing. Perhaps some attributable to the Joggers and Lagers the night before, but the room-dog needed a dude night like something serious, so time well spent. Almost 80 friggin degrees here; I'm dying ~ too soon, too soon!
  •       4X4's done this morning, really felt hard. Didn't help that with this warm spell, the cave is about 10 deg. warmer than usual. All intervals @ 1.11, HR close to 160.

          Run done as a brick.

  • 300 watts is proving to be too luring for this 149lb middle-aged dummy.  FTP says I should be targeting 290-91 for these VO2 intervals.  Last week I targeted 295NP and finished in Hindenburg fashion.

    Today I just tried to hold between 295 and 300.  First one was a big-time challenge, finished at 299NP, reasonably confident I could make it 3 more times.  Second one felt like the first, but the watts started to slip with 30 seconds left, and I had very little response.  297NP.  So, after going 1.13 and 1.12 on the first two, I shouldn't have been surprised what happened next.  The third and the fourth may have been the two toughest intervals I've done in the OS.  Pure misery.  Mentally I wanted it, but the legs just stopped firing. 280W felt like 310W.  Finished with a 289NP (1.09) and 284 (1.07).  Another classic H --> Z.

    Will I learn my lesson next week and stop trying to overachieve in the quest for the 300 Club?  TBD.

  • @mike... My best intervals come from modest start... Build with two to go... All in last minute...i have a hard time every time I try to do it like you're doing it... Give it a try... Start at 290... I bet you make it next week!
  • 4x4 this AM went 1.13/1.09/1.11/1.07.  I felt good- hard but doable.  I fixed the zones in Garmin Connect, but forgot to synch the 500 last night.  So still had to stare at the screen.  But at least I knew what I was aiming for!
  • @Leslie, it wasn't too long ago you were wondering how and whether you'd ever be able to do all this crazy hard work indoor on a trainer.  A month or so later . . . nailing it like a vet.  Very nice work.

    @Ed, thanks for the great advice.  I follow a very similar build approach with my Quarq on the tri bike.  Current Lap NP is pretty accurate with the Quarq within a minute after starting the lap.  But with the PT on my road bike, the previous interval watts (typically 150~ for warm up) affect the subsequent Z5 Lap NP for several minutes, making nailing NP on a 4-minute interval pretty challenging.  This morning the first minute NP was probably a slow climb from 150 to 210, from 210 to 260 during the second minute, finally getting close to 290 after 3 minutes.  So . . . my solution is to focus on 3s power primarily, just trying to keep it steady, let NP eventually catch up over time. I may experiment and add Lap Avg P to a screen and see if it normalizes more quickly, thus giving me a better opp to build through each interval. Gotta be better than my current interval routine of steady - steady - tremble - pop.  

  • I use my quarq and my 920 as the head unit when I'm on a trainer ( just easier and I think I get less drops than with my garmin 1000 ( inside only). The screen only has lap time... Average lap power... and 3 second power. About :15 seconds before interval time I switch into the right gear... And ride it out. Wish me luck tonight... Another busy day at work... Might need a nap first!
  • @Mike- thanks for the kudos- but I'm meeting my goals at numbers that are about 20 points lower than what I was doing before!
  • @Mike -- I wouldn't sweat it too much. When you go for goals like that, and although fail in your mind, your getting a heck of a workout and training the body and mind for what you want it to do eventually. Maybe I just need to visit NC and we'll go out and hammer up a climb and no doubt you'll go over the 300 club if doing what your doing inside on the drainer.

    I prescribed myself on Zwift to erg mode (making me hold prescribed watts) for the 4X4 @ 275watts. HR was way lower this week for these so a good sign that body is adjusting. Hopefully it'll help in the race up Haleakala next week.

    I head off to Hawaii tomorrow for two week on vacation so points no doubt will be sporadic but i'll try and get some epic pics to post. I'm not slacking while there as i'll keep doing the OS workouts and throw in the bike race up Haleakala and doing the Maui half marathon while there.
  • Happy with my ride today. I didn't have time for the EN warm up, so I just did a little spinning before and after to loosen up the legs. Hit all my sets but did struggle with cadence on the last one. I am not a grinder and am unhappy when my cadence drops! image

    Tomorrow I will do Saturdays ride. My local team and bike shop Fraser Bike is hosting the Slow Twitch Road Show on Saturday, so I will be there getting a swim analysis (huh...should have swum a bit?) and checking out all the stuff! image I am also running a 5k Sunday as my delayed onset run test from week 8. So the plan is to have a day off. I will still be on my feet too much (family is coming for Irish Dinner Sunday...prep must be done) but in theory it's a rest day! image
  • wow! lots's of great work getting done in here..
    @Leslie, you will find yourself coming up the curve quick, hitting those #s 48hrs after a 15k race is serious work
    @Mike - even if you aren't hitting the #s you think you should be, you're doing some serious work... wondering if you are chasing #s you aren't ready for yet? asking as I feel I may be doing exactly that.

    tonight the Gorilla left the cage bloodied and told me he's been waiting for the beating I just gave him
    4x4s at 1.10 1.08 1.09 1.10
    now an hour's rest & then outside for the brick
  • Everyone, Thanks for the inspiration. I read a bunch of posts before hopping on my bike. I could feel right away that the run from yesterday was going to have something to say about tonight's ride. It began in the WU. Not only could I see that my heart rate was climbing fast, I could feel it. I had one smooth interval, that was the first one. The other 3 intervals were battles. My heart rate graphs look like Devil's Tower. It raced up passed 160 in each interval and then just kept creeping towards 170. Tonight, this was not comfortable. I finished my bike (304W, 299W, 301W & 301W) and hopped on the TM for a brick. Although I had plenty of muscle power for the run, I had zero will power to extend it beyond 1 mile. Tomorrow will be a toned down day.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/513732824

  • I had a good workout today and I think I know why Tuesday didn't go as well. Tuesday I didn't eat lunch and went about 12 hours with no food/fuel. Today I had a balanced lunch and felt good and had energy. Results, 1.10, 1.14, 1.07, 1.09; 1x4'@.85. I over achieved on the second interval and paid for it on the third. Otherwise a solid workout. I skipped the run because it was 10:15 pm when I finished on the bike.
  • back in the saddle after a quick trip across the pond.....4 x 4(5) @ 1.10...+ 30' TRP...today will try and squeeze in a short swim and 40' run....sat weather is looking good for some outside riding :-)
  • Saturdays ride done, on point, and a challenge as expected. Brick was hell. image BUT..I looked supercute in some newer run togs and it was in the sun outdoors. #fakeittillyoumakeit image
  •      Sat. bike work done. 15' @ .98, 5' E, then something a little different, 10 X 1'(1') @ 1.14, 1.14, 1.18, 1.18, 1.16, 1.21, 1.24, 1.21, 1.2, 1.25, then 10' @ .84. Good workout, felt pretty good.

         Run done as a brick. Legs a little torched.

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