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Rich/other big week bikers: how did you structure your 2015 300-400 mile weeks?

Last year, Rich and I talked about his plans to alternate big run weeks and big bike weeks as part of a strategy to accomplish sustainable overall gains (obviously, with his KQ, that strategy worked).

@ Rich ... You mentioned looking at 300-400 mile weeks when you were planning this scheme. Then later, When you were debriefing your season, you highlighted that you spent a lot of time during the build focussing on 4 hour power,,etc, etc.

Any thoughts, recollections or reflections on how you structured those weeks big bike weeks? I'm going to be doing something like this alternating system until about 8 weeks before Kona, and will probably comprise them in a similar way, and with a similar long distance power (as opposed to outright FTP building). I'm prepared to take a day or two off work to accommodate riding, recovery, and general lifestyle stuff.

Thoughts? Also happy to hear from others who have advice and input.

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  • Dave - I did a couple of these including one with Rich in Madison on the IMMOO course. It was about 5 weeks out from the race if I recall. I did a shortish 30 mile ride on Tuesday. Tempo run Wednesday along with swim and then three days in a row of full RR on Thu/Fri/Sat. I followed up the Thursday ride with a 6 mile brick. I then closed out the week with a 16 mile run on Sunday.

    If possible it's ideal to get out of town and just focus on training and rest/recovery. I think it would be hard to have distractions of work/family nearby.
  • Good question and discussing. Without looking back at my logs in Trainingpeaks (I have a good bit of writing to do today) this is what I recall doing:

    • My paramount focus was running frequency, 6-7x per week. I had one stretch where I couldn't recall the last day I hadn't run, even just a little bit. So even in my big bike weeks I still did what I could to retain ^this^ running frequency, with a "light" week being 5x. 
    • As you noted, I focused on 4hr power, or rather, I set TT-style time goals for 100mi bike rides. When you're basically going as hard as you can for 100 miles there's a BIG difference between 4hrs and 5hrs so I figured that ~4:20 for 100mi at >.85 IF was "good enough." I was pretty shagged. In about mid June I unfortunately did a 100mi ride with good winds and put up about a 4:18 so that was the number I was chasing all summer, along with about 232-235w Pnorm. My historical IM power is about 215-217w so I did all of my long rides pegged above 230w, with a goal of then riding IMWI at about 220-225w. This didn't quite work out (I think I was about 212w Pnorm at IMWI) as I've learned I clearly have a pretty big disconnect from my goal watts when I swim first and get on the bike...but that's another discussion. 
    • Around this schedule of 100mi rides I also did a few 112mi TT's, not as RR's, just to see what I could do. It's a great confidence booster to put up 4:5x bike rides on shelled legs. 
    • With regards to big bike weeks, I got these rather organically through the scheduling of the IM training camps I ran last year at WI and Chattanooga. At Madison in early August I got in 3 x 112mi rides back to back on the course via my camp. I believe I got in something similar at my IMChat camp a couple weeks later, and then in wk18 of the plan I did a 112mi RR ride on Friday, another 112mi RR on Saturday (these were both true RR rides, dialing in my plan) and then a final 112 mi ride (more in survival vs RR mode) down the coast to a train station only to sit on the floor of the train surrounded by screaming Taylor Swift fan 13yo girls. So awesome...

    So the short answer is that on normal, non-training-camp weekends I just TT'd centuries and 112mi bike rides. Then I scheduled for myself 3x camp weekends as 3x back to back ~112mi rides

  • Dave, I did a couple of these last year as well and if I remember the goal I was given was 300 or 350 while still running at least 25. I know I did 100 on Friday, 100 on Saturday, 80 on Sunday. I believe I did 25 on Tuesday and Thursday (I still had to get to work those days). I ran 4 or 5 times that week and swam only twice. None of the runs were very long, 6 or so was probably the longest. Hope this helps!
  • My Strava will be more accurate than my Training Bias....but my thoughts for you:

    1) These need to build across a year just like anything else. IOW, first "big" week will be small by the time you get to the "last" big week. Baby steps.

    2) I would suggest a TT focus on just one ride, that you do frequently/as needed. Rich has his To The Train Station ride that's a good example. Other rides at set watts but don't TT everything and mess your head up.

    3) Run frequency not volume on these weeks...once you get the run fatigue up there and park a good weekly TSS on it, your CTL will pretty much take care of itself.

    But But But...

    Don't just train to train. Set a target / goal. What do you want to be able to do and work towards it. It's easy once you "allow" yourself to go long to just find yourself riding 5 hours because you're the guy who rides five hours (he says, avoiding a look at any mirror).

    Feel free to map it out!!!

    ~ Coach P


  • But But But...



    Don't just train to train. Set a target / goal. What do you want to be able to do and work towards it. 



    Patrick- When you say set a target/goal, are you talking about a CTL goal or a time goal. Currently I am working increasing my CTL to a predetermined level (180) before allowing it to level off and then bringing my TSB back to a manageable level. 

  • Really great stuff here, guys. I'll post the plan I have in the works after I get some sleep. Thanks for the input.

  • Posted By Coach Patrick on 27 May 2016 04:26 PM






    Feel free to map it out!!!



    ~ Coach P

    Don't mind if I do.  I'll keep it high-level in keeping with the OP, and will post another "my Kona plan" thread elsewhere, another day. Plan is based on realistic assessment of lifestyle constraints, and demonstrated training bandwidth. 

    Goal is a sub-10 Kona, via 1:05 swim, 5:15 bike, 3:33 run. Assume: race day high wind, high heat, swells.

    Season Map

    -20 weeks OS.

    -3 week transition (currently where I am)

    -approx 12 weeks of "A / B weeks:" alternating weeks of big bike and run focus.   Objective is to raise highest possible bike and run fitness levels. 

          -"A" weeks are big bike.   300-400 miles per week, with approaches as ^noted above by coaches^.  Will take 1-2 days off work each of these weeks to accommodate training / recovery.   Rough plan is mid-week tt of 100 miles // late week aerobic Z1 spin of 1 hour // Saturday 5h 'classic' EN ride // Sun 3 hour abp ride.  6 days per week running. long run capped at 90 mins.  

          -"B" weeks are run focus.  50-60 miles per week, run 6 x per week, one day of full complete rest.  Long run as ~2h with HMP progression.  Bikes are normal 2 x 20ftp midweekride, // saturday 3h combined ftp/abp // sunday 3h abp.

    -1 epic week as 10 days // ~60 hours late July.

    -remaining 8 - 10 weeks (depending on fitness) as classic EN Ironman training plan.  DT's tweaks will be taking 1 day off entirely every 2 weeks, and dropping running to 5 x week.   

    Big bike / volume weekend on Labour Day as 3-4 x 112 / 6 and / or swim. 

    -2 week taper and on-course prep on BI of Hawaii.  

    (*swim has been 4x week since OS.  Progression over season as ~9000 to ~15000+ m/week.  Frequency will increase to 5xweek in early IM build.)

    (**Riding will be 100% road bike until end of June, then all on tribike going forward *except* ftp days ... these will continue to be done on roadbike)

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