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Team,

It is with great trepidation that I post this:

If you've followed our deep water running protocol here can you give me any insights or input? My leg is just simply not getting better as quickly as I would like and, since my only real goal for Kona is to enjoy the day, I'm beginning to think my long term best call is to stay off the leg altogether, with regards to weight bearing activity, and pick up water running in route to October. 

I would appreciate any advice you have

PS: f-me, seriously 

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  • You should get one of those cool horse looking zero-gravity treadmills like P had!

  • Posted By Jeremy Behler on 24 Jun 2016 10:39 AM


    You should get one of those cool horse looking zero-gravity treadmills like P had!

    I just might! I already just can.not.swim for longer than 45' so the idea of adding 3-4hrs/wk of water running to that is just scary. Gonna make some calls first, I supposed, and use my $$$ health insurance...

  • I took a crack at this last summer. To say that it was mind numbing is an understatement. I was in the pool 3x per week for 3-4 weeks. Pretty much followed the plan with the focus on "sprints" to get my hr up.

    The one trick I used was to use my garmin 920 in run mode to provide cadence numbers. I then strapped a Scoch optical hr monitor right next to the 920 to provide hr. With that feedback, I was able to get and maintain my hr up into the 155 range.
  • How far do you live from the coast - I bet running in the ocean wouldn't be that bad. Agreed, pools get real boring real fast

    Stop f'ing around and go see a doc - I say this out of love

  • Posted By Chris Ciannella on 24 Jun 2016 11:58 AM


    How far do you live from the coast - I bet running in the ocean wouldn't be that bad. Agreed, pools get real boring real fast



    Stop f'ing around and go see a doc - I say this out of love

    I've tried to perform the water running protocol in the open water and the waves made it difficult. In addition, I looked like a complete idiot to a beach full of people. I would not recommend water running in the open water to others.

  • When I did it, the only thing that made it tolerable was making sure that I was trying to continually do hard intervals, get a rest period and then hard intervals again. While I was watching the clock for the interval time, it seemed to make the overall time tolerable. I equate it to doing VO2 max intervals on the trainer in the winter (not that you know anything about that living in Cali image
  • I could not stomach it. I wanted to, but could simply not do it. I just swam and rode harder

  • Posted By Doug Sutherland on 24 Jun 2016 04:43 PM


    I could not stomach it. I wanted to, but could simply not do it. I just swam and rode harder

    Yeah, I don't see the point, either. You can certainly swim hard enough to train your heart, and cycling seems to mimic the same leg movements you'd get with water running. If you have access to an elliptical machine, that seems slightly less boring, but again, nothing can replace the pounding you get from hopping 180 times a minute on pavement.

    Maybe try all of these: Running on a rubberized track? Avoiding anything harder than Z1? Reducing daily mileage to absurdly low levels, and re-starting from there? Getting minimum 48 hours rest between workouts?

  • I've done it. It's pretty mind numbing, though not quite as bad as a dreadmill, IMO. I do intervals and that does make it a bit more tolerable. The only thing I find redeeming about it is the increased feedback due to the density of the water compared to air.
  • I've done it. It's pretty mind numbing, though not quite as bad as a dreadmill, IMO. I do intervals and that does make it a bit more tolerable. The only thing I find redeeming about it is the increased feedback due to the density of the water compared to air.
  • did it about four years ago for about two months.    just simulated time and intensity of the run workouts with pool running.     went fine.     waterproof ipod type thing pretty essential.     but then again I am bike trainer trained so used to this type of tedium.      I did find the pool running very useful in keeping up the run fitness.    I think the season after was a good running season.       more people should do pool running.     great way to wash away the injuries and get running fit.  
  • It's an endurance sport you're in, and sometimes, stuff will come up that you just have to endure. Pool running is in that category.

    On the bright side, there's tons of evidence that it works, and countless success stories out there ... not just "pool running let me finish my race, and I only had to walk the back half" stuff, but elites and HP athletes with great outcomes on Big Days. IOW, if your race goal is genuinely to have a great day and enjoy the views of the sunset on the Energy Lab, that's terrific, but if this is something you have resigned yourself to because road running isn't happening at this time, but you did really want to throw down and have a great performance and oa outcome, I don't think it's out of the question, even with a majority of time in your buildup spent deep water running.

    My thoughts, if you really wanted it:
    -5x week
    -at least 1 long session, building from 1 hr, going up to 2 hr.
    -2 sessions that are something like 15 w/u, MS as 3 to 5 x(3' hard 2' easy)
    -2 sessions as bricked 30' to 45'
    -always keep cadence at 90+
    -wear one of those goofy buoyancy belts
    -hip mobility / hip flexor exercises will become very important as you proceed. lots of stretching ahead, which isn't a terrible thing.

    What I just described seems almost unendurable. Faced with a choice between this and taking a heavy rubber mallet hit hard to the nutz, it would be a toss-up. Buuuuuuut ... I would bet that if you described any given day in your life (4h bike! 4000swim!) to an ordinary person, they would have exactly the same reaction. So, there's some perception adjustment that just has to happen to choose to do this, and then actually go on to do it.

  • Catz has an Alter-G machine. Maybe you can workout something where you can run on it without being a physical therapy patient.
  • Hey Coach.

    I am late to the conversation, and by no means an expert advice-giver. I am coming off a serious knee injury and the only time my feet touch the ground are the runs before or after the bike. Any long runs or runs associated with a swim, are in the pool. I agree it can be boring and unsexy, but if you are not able to run, improvise, adapt and overcome.

    I ran 8 miles a week ago and felt like Sheena Queen of the Jungle. It gave me great confidence for journey to the IM finish line.

    I also have a Ninja ice pump that may help you with pain and inflammation - The Polar Care Kodiak Cold Therapy System .

    Hope this helps.

    Beth
  • I did water running in two different times...once between two events where i was highly motivated to recover quickly between an HIM and a marathon (13 days later...set a marathon PR), and once for an injury.

    For what it's worth, here's what made it more tolerable for me: if they have a diving well you can use instead of a lane, then you can run around in little more interesting patterns and chat with people more. Second, you can alternate using the belt (easier, obviously) with not using it (harder, particularly if you are a sinker like me). I wouldn't want to do it for hours and hours...but if you can tolerate whatever they are playing on the pool radio, it's not so awful for 45-60 minutes.
  • I have a friend that has gone to the 70.3 WC and has just missed KQ who is a staunch advocate of this and teaches it. Will try to dig up the info I found to do this while I had my herniated disc last year. If done correctly, it is legit. to deal with the mind numbing factor, get an in water Ipod... it helps.. .
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