@Scott...I have cut and pasted this into a word doc at the office if you, or anyone else, would like an easier to read and archieve version. Email me at: chironeuro@starstream.net and put Endurance Nation in the subject line so my spam filter won't toss you.
This doesn't address the testing issues but does show how well recovery and performance are enhanced. I have a friend that is a former Cat 1 climber turned coach that told me there was a study he read about EPO and power outputs among cyclists increase by 50%. He hasn't provided the study for me but he said that the cyclists were more than recreational and didn't just get a training effect increase in power because they went from couch to rider but in fact those studied were already fit riders. Imagine having an FTP of 300 blow up to 450 because of a drug that is only testable for 3-10 days but has positive effects for 2-3 weeks (not sure where I read those values...Tri mag I believe). Now, that seems like a bit of a stretch in regards to improvement but it does seem to answer how guys can ride 60 mins up hill during the TdF like Stage 17 of 2004 where Landis pulls Lance up and decimates Ullrich, Basso, et al with his mouth barely open to breath. Just watched it last weekend after the ToC coverage on VS.
Also, I'm not acusing Crowie of any wrong doing, is it really possible that Lieto has his mouth open, gasping for breath while being passed by Craig and Craig's mouth is also nearly shut? Look at the pics in tri-mag showing the 3-4 picture sequence....Is Crowie that much fitter than Lieto?
It's just sort of hard to wrap my brain around the fact that at the pointy end of the athletic, endurance pool that a single athlete or athletes can be THAT much more fit than the others. I can see athletic ability like LeBron of Koby being much better but we are talking about conditioning/fitness. Boggles my mind anyway.
I finally had a chance to read this whole article (Thanks Vince). Very interesting to say the leaste. You can certainly get an idea for how people get pulled into walking down this path and the lure of having that instant recovery would have on any athlete. As a side note, also found the reference to riding with Bob Breedlove poignant. If you've ever rented and watched Bicycle Dreams you would understand why.
I've already contracted Kitima, aka Dr. FeelGood, to staff the ToC for us. She'll be adminstering blood transfusions in the van and slapping testosterone patches on our nutz after dinner
Yeah. Would be more salacious if they had talked about USCF's supposed involvement, Lance donating $100k or whatever for a testing maching, etc.
However, Floyd's experience after leaving Postal, ie, "this doping stuff is TOUGH, when you gotta do it on your own!!," explains why so many riders have been caught post-Postal or while on other teams. Lance and Co just have a better system and when you leave the team, or are not on the team, you lose that system or have to work with others not as good.
The only bomb shell was using Trek team bikes to fund an alleged doping program....the Feds were hoping they used sponsor dollars from the US Postal system which would be a felony. This piece actually helps Lance
I sure hope they find some holes in this story and Floyd was lying all along just as he's done over and over. Im interested to see how this article is taken by the Tour riders. Makes me wonder about Contador too with his dominating performance in the mountains without even looking fatigued.
"I do not believe the part about the strippers and the coke. Boonen would have been there. It just doesn't add up."
Quote of the year.
Funny thing I thought the same thing. Then everything else didn't add up like Lance lying on the floor of the bus in view of everyone to see him dope. No way.
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This doesn't address the testing issues but does show how well recovery and performance are enhanced. I have a friend that is a former Cat 1 climber turned coach that told me there was a study he read about EPO and power outputs among cyclists increase by 50%. He hasn't provided the study for me but he said that the cyclists were more than recreational and didn't just get a training effect increase in power because they went from couch to rider but in fact those studied were already fit riders. Imagine having an FTP of 300 blow up to 450 because of a drug that is only testable for 3-10 days but has positive effects for 2-3 weeks (not sure where I read those values...Tri mag I believe). Now, that seems like a bit of a stretch in regards to improvement but it does seem to answer how guys can ride 60 mins up hill during the TdF like Stage 17 of 2004 where Landis pulls Lance up and decimates Ullrich, Basso, et al with his mouth barely open to breath. Just watched it last weekend after the ToC coverage on VS.
Also, I'm not acusing Crowie of any wrong doing, is it really possible that Lieto has his mouth open, gasping for breath while being passed by Craig and Craig's mouth is also nearly shut? Look at the pics in tri-mag showing the 3-4 picture sequence....Is Crowie that much fitter than Lieto?
It's just sort of hard to wrap my brain around the fact that at the pointy end of the athletic, endurance pool that a single athlete or athletes can be THAT much more fit than the others. I can see athletic ability like LeBron of Koby being much better but we are talking about conditioning/fitness. Boggles my mind anyway.
Vince
Yep, I read this article years ago. Crazy stuff.
Since the TdF starts this weekend, all sorts of articles will be coming up about doping, etc.
Here's another interesting one...www.newscientist.com/article/mg2072...heats.html
Viva le Tour!
Rumor has it that the Wall Street Journal is sitting on a big doping article and that they will release it during the tour for maximum effect.
You heard it here first, folks, from the news desk at EN Networks
I bet we'll all learn that the Biological Passport is just anti-doping theater and we'll all learn how to micro-dose epo.
Awesome. I've been looking for a tutorial...
I've already contracted Kitima, aka Dr. FeelGood, to staff the ToC for us. She'll be adminstering blood transfusions in the van and slapping testosterone patches on our nutz after dinner
Patches? I have it on good authority that Dr Feelgood prefers to inject it!
This year all she had were the patches. Worked fine.
Where can I buy a copy of the WSJ tomorrow?
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/07/wsj_to_spoil_lance_armstrongs.php
No need. Welcome to tomorrow: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...l?mod=e2tw
Yeah. Would be more salacious if they had talked about USCF's supposed involvement, Lance donating $100k or whatever for a testing maching, etc.
However, Floyd's experience after leaving Postal, ie, "this doping stuff is TOUGH, when you gotta do it on your own!!," explains why so many riders have been caught post-Postal or while on other teams. Lance and Co just have a better system and when you leave the team, or are not on the team, you lose that system or have to work with others not as good.
The only bomb shell was using Trek team bikes to fund an alleged doping program....the Feds were hoping they used sponsor dollars from the US Postal system which would be a felony. This piece actually helps Lance
Quote of the year.
Funny thing I thought the same thing. Then everything else didn't add up like Lance lying on the floor of the bus in view of everyone to see him dope. No way.
You guys will have to slap those patches on your own nutz----unless, your name is Fabian Cancellara or Tom Boonen. hubba hubba.