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BQ dreaming?

Earlier in the year I signed up to race the Bay State Marathon (MA). Advertised as flat and fast - a good BQ race. Qualifying for Boston was my intention. The race is Oct 16. I just competed IMMT one week ago. I clearly didn't do the math at the time, and now have some concerns over whether or not I can get prepared for this and race it to my potential.

Running background: Only 1 standalone marathon, 4 years ago - I was much slower and undertrained. I just broke 4 hours. 2 years ago I ran a couple Half Mary's at 1:34. I was in good run shape. Last season I topped out with a 50 VDOT, but never got to use it after crashing my bike one week before IM. I estimate my current VDOT at around 48. My long training runs this year leading up to IM (16-18 miles) were at 8:10-8:20 paces. I did not push these runs until the last couple of miles and worked to keep in the TRP zone. I ran 4 miles yesterday - HR was a bit elevated, legs still tired, and I was a bit gassed.

At my age (46), I'll need at least a 3:25 time (7:49/mi pace) to qualify. Realistically, it's more likely like a 7:45/mi pace to be safe.

Am I capable of running < 3:25 marathon on a good day with my VDOT and running background? AND, if I am capable, can I rebuild my speed with enough time to do this?

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  • Hey Brad,

    Do you just want to BQ or do you want to actually run Boston? Last year, you had to be about 3 minutes under actual BQ time to gain entry. At 3:22, you'd have to run 7:41s or :42s. We're in the same AG, I've done 8 standalones and have BQd, I'm right at 51 vDOT and with my current fitness am positive I could go at least 5 minutes under our BQ time, if not 10. But it takes me a long time to recover from IM, so I think I'd be staring at a 3:35 or 3:40 if I tried to race one 6-7 weeks post-IM (but my last BQ was exactly 3 months after IM Frankfurt). If you could really be a 50 vDOT, that would help. If you were running 40-50 miles per week in IM training from Wk13-18, that would help. And if you can really bounce back immediately from MT and dive into a solid 4-week block, maybe. I still think it's a stretch, but the degree of probability depends on some of the answers to the above. Either way, have fun and stay healthy.

    MR
  • @Mike - thanks for the response. You are telling me what I guess I didn't want to believe, but needed to hear. Maybe the fact that I had a crappy run at MT may play to my favor in the fact that my recovery may be better than if I had been able to to lay down a stronger run there. The best run shape I was ever in was 10-12 weeks after IMLP 2 years ago....but that was a longer recovery and I only raced a couple of half Mary's vs a full marathon. I'm not sure I'll know the answer to this until a few weeks before this race, and if I am in fact feeling that it'll be close at that point, it'll come down to the last 8-10 miles on race day. A lot of IF's, but I think I'm ok with that and wouldn't be crushed if I raced it and didn't make it this time. Thanks again.
  • Remember that the marathon has a big recovery cost too, so factor in how it might affect your training for whatever the next thing is too!
  • Brad, great advice for you hear. Let's remember that BQ is hard....because BQ is a fast marathon, and an IM is "just" a run. Marathon running just hurts...at least Ironman has the swim and bike foreplay. image

    You will need to be able to run 7:40s....and typical race guidance is 6 at 7:55....then 14 at 7:35...then you are gutting it out.

    Your body will hurt, a lot. But you are mentally ready. The key is can you get physically ready.

    We know it takes about 6 weeks to get your run legs back (10/1)....and race day is 10/16. You need to still focus on recovery...no real running can help you recover faster...short 30' runs, easy, will help you get "running" loose, but I'd prefer you swim and spin...and massage it out.

    We'll need to plan some key workouts for you, and your nutrition strategy ... what say you?
  • @Coach - Sounds like it'll be a challenge - but I'm up to it. Strangely enough, I do ok with nutrition when I'm ONLY biking or running....even long! The obstacle comes when I mix the 2 into a cocktail! I'll hit you up in the micro and we can work on a plan to get me though this. Thank you!
  • I don't have the knowledge to comment on your abilities or recovery but I wish you the best of luck! I am in a similar boat and trying to qualify post Lake Placid. I will be also running on the 16th, the Columbus Marathon. From my standpoint, I think it will be close so I am trying to get down to perfect race weight (from 162 at LP to 149lbs - currently at 152) and am eating right, sleeping well, stretching, etc. I'm a firm believer that when you put all you have into something, good things happen. Can't wait to hear how the race goes.
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