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  • David nice to finally meet you... Thanks for coming all the way from Tahiti... Congrats on a great race... Now I am gonna pick it apart :-) Not really .... Swim- file looks straight, gotta be that your just not used to a wetsuit, what stood out the most was the HR on your swim was higher than the bike or the run??? That is crazy... This summer I started wearing HR on my swims and I came out of the water after some very hard race pace plus sessions convinced I would see some bike/run type threshold numbers but they were still a good 30 BPM lower on the swim after such huge effort... Not sure what it means but as you know I am not a big believer in HR , specially for racing, you were well rested and colder than normal not to mention everything else... But still very strange to be higher than bike or run.... T1 - baking cookies for sure.... Bike- all those things you mentioned played a big part in being faster, its simply a very fast course, the conditions could not have been better, lots of legal drafting and slingshotting that I am sure you never get on your RR's.... I never finished the bike last year but after 2 laps my average speed was exactly what I normally do on flat courses on the same watts... But again for you there were a lot of differences from your RR... T2 - Awesome , now go to Clark School :-) The Run- Everything you did all day set you up for that beauty , you simply executed it.... Your smiling energetic mojo on that run course was inspiring even for a spectator.... Great day my friend ... Congrats on your PR's...

    Please please please do your research and keep an open mind about HFLC/Ketogenic nutrition approach.... Do not just jump on the bandwagon... Here is a good place to start.... Go to the second post down from "tilburs" , his name is David Tillbury , he is a very well respected coach who was or still is partners with Dr. Philip Skiba , I have met him in person , I have had consultations with him (all training NO nutrition) , and I really think he knows his stuff... Oh and he also just guided Lionel Sanders to that WTC IM record at IMAZ this year... Anyway I like the way he speaks and backs up with real science.
    http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/?post=6150449
  • DR, 

    WOW, fantastic day/work out there my friend!!  

    One thing Tim has taught me, the more you actually race the faster you get.  It takes time and practice.  Look at the frequency with which Tim actually races in addition to his training.....That frequency lends itself much more to following an RPE with watts, data, HR as a secondary metric.

    I enjoyed reading your report.  I read your Garmin files.  HR was hard to get down during beggining of the bike and fell near the last quarter of the bike.  .66IF on the bike.  Think about pushing your RRs and training rides of 5 hours or more to a .77 IF or higher if possible......  Pulling that effort back to .71 or so after an IM swim during the race is going to give you a faster split and more control over your overall effort IMO.  I watch Tim do this all the time.  I myself am still in the process of mastering it.....

    Your run was fairly steady and strong.  Again, here, I think practice and nutrition come into play.  Any missteps in nutrition during the day are going to make those last 8 miles questionable in regards to your ability to hold the line during the dark period.  This coming from a guy, again, who is still working to make progress.......

    Damn well done Ironman!

    SS

  • DR - what a great race you had, congrats on PRs in each segment! I'm not surprised by the 20-minute bike difference: there's something about race day that you just can't emulate in rehearsal; and the reasons you (and Tim above) point out easily account for the delta.

    Bike data looks good - you rode very smart, especially after mile 65 - a lot more coasting but the HR came down nicely. What's interesting to me is your bike HR was significantly higher than run HR. And that is an impressively-steady run file!

    Also, I accept the offer to join you for camp in Tahiti. :-)
  • That run file is a thing of beauty...bottle that feeling and draw it out next time you race an IM. That's taking advantage of the ideal conditions that day offered.

    Don't let the swim prey on your mind. It may well be that all your open water swimming without a wetsuit creates issues for you when you don one. Maybe get a pair of Lava Pants, or something similar, to simulate the feeling you'll get from a wetsuit, to better prep you?

  • Thank u all for the kind words and tips.
    My take on the swim/bike/run files is that my HR is affected by the cold a lot more than I thought it would although I felt comfy all day (got rid of the chemical warmers only on the 3rd loop of the bike). This might explain the very high HR in the swim, the higher than normal HR in the bike (with the drop on the last loop as it was getting "warmer" and I dialed down the effort).

    I probably won't be racing in the US next year so won't see any of u guys but I'm working on the idea of unofficial camps in Tahiti (probably may for the Xterra and Sept for a HIM), so stay tuned for more info in the coming weeks.
  • David, what a great race you had! Well done. It was nice meeting and training with you. Your consistent input on the forum was fantastic. Congratulations also on coming back from surgery in such a solid way. That speaks to your discipline and to the hard work that went into what you achieved.

    Congrats again on a great race and on the 1s swim PR. ;-)
  • David, that was a nice race for you.. we got the same problem, we cant swim with wetsuit image I guess next time I might give a try going without one.. will try this in HIM to test.

    Cross you a few times on the run and you seemed great and steady !

    Was nice meeting you and your familly for dinner at your place, seeing your pic on the weigh thread.. I guess you kept eating those pies image

    Hopefully see you soon in Tahiti!

  • Posted By Francis Picard on 29 Nov 2016 07:29 AM


    David, that was a nice race for you.. we got the same problem, we cant swim with wetsuit I guess next time I might give a try going without one.. will try this in HIM to test. 

    Another thought on the problems with wetsuits for some swimmers. I don't know if this applies to either of you, but Dan Empfield (Mr. Slowtwitch, inventor of the triathlon wetsuit in the '80s) once wrote that he had noticed swimmers with a very strong kick sometimes have trouble with wetsuits. He recommended going with DeSoto, which offers a pair of shortie knee length bottoms with a separate top, or even a pair of neoprene shorts. (Like the Lava Pants I noted above). Theory is, the wetsuit raises the lower legs substantially all by itself; kicking hard interferes with that, putting the swimmer into an un-naturally high position in the water.

  • Congratulations on a great race! Before I switched to Garmin, I used to wear a HRM on the swim and could never understand why the numbers were so high? I could not get Intervals in the pool to the same level they were in the swim portion of a race... I guess it just is what it is. Looking forward to input on the TTC next summer!
  • A few years ago when Mike Roberts did his initial GOLD post about improving his IM swim, I decided that because I was so bad a swimmer (89 mins for IM swim), that I should try and do something about it.
    One of the things I decided was that as all of my races are in the ocean and are always a wetsuit swim, I should focus on improving my wetsuit swimming, rather than just swimming per se.
    So since then, I always swim in the pool with a pool buoy, similar to the lava pants that Al mentions. It makes your legs stay up at/near the surface of the water. Thereby making you focus on improving your swim while being horizontal in the water.
    That said, my pool CSS pace is usually around 2:10 per 100 meters, whereas in an IM swim in the ocean my times are around 72-74 mins. BTW, I should point out that I never kick in the pool or a race.
    So my experience strongly supports Al's contention that, for some peeps at least, some can benefit from swimming in a pool with lava pants or similar to help with adapting to wet suit swimming.
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