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2016/17 NovOS Week 8 Run Thread: It's Show Time

We've all made to Week 8: fatigued, battered, bruised, but a heck of a lot stronger, faster and most importantly....durable. Congratulations!  

Week 8 also marks the half way point of the OS, and most importantly: TEST WEEK.  On the lighter side, it is also a rest week of sorts. The good news is that your run and bike tests are the ONLY two important training sessions scheduled this week.  Do try and complete the weekend's training schedule if you can work it in, but don't stress yourself out over it.

The bad news is that it is going to suck. In a good way though, if there is such a thing.  There is always a silver lining to the suck:  it's only going to last a short time, probably for as long as it takes you to complete the third mile.  Once over, the excitement of your brand spanking new vDOT will take over, and you'll forget about the suck. 

Again, there are two important factors to a successful test: Location & Pacing.  Pick a location that will provide consistent and repeatable test conditions.  Controlling the environmental/geographical variables will provide results that are comparable across your training season and from year to year.  

Now we come to pacing.  The negative split is your friend.  Your starting pace will be between your week 1 test pace and the pace you've been completing your Sunday intervals.  It should be hard, yet manageable. Your test should always start with a 1.5-2 mile warm up to get your engine warmed up.  Start your test at your predetermined pace.  On mile 2, drop your pace by 10"-15".  For the 3rd mile, break it up into .25 mile increments and run each 10"-15" faster than the previous.  For the last .50 or .25 empty the tank.

That's it.  Well, except for posting your results here.  I mean the good, the bad and especially the ugly.  There is always something to be learned by each.  Just be sure to compete your bike test first and rest at least a day in between tests.

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  • 5K run test today - goal pace 8:00/mile

    results - 3.12 miles, in 24:54, average pace 7:59, average hr - 160, max hr - 175, average cadence - 87, vdot - 38.5, vs 30 (week 1) 28.3% increase

    pacing by mile:
    1 - 8:00, ave hr - 147
    2 - 8:02, ave hr - 162
    3 - 7:58, ave hr - 171

    I think my time today accurately reflects my current best effort

    runners world age grading - age 65 male:
    age graded score (world record age 65 male time (16:39) / my actual time (24:54)) - 66.87%
    age graded time (my actual time adjusted to that of an open division participant time using a factor for age and gender) - 19:25 (6:14/mile) - age graded vdot - 51.6
  • HUGE improvement Arnold!!  Very good looking valid test!  The work is working!

    My weekend long run: https://www.strava.com/activities/804560588

    Yesterday's TRP run: https://www.strava.com/activities/806612217

    Happy testing this week peeps!

    SS

  • I know there is a run test looming for most of you.

    Important to take advantage of the rest between tests and rest built into the plan this week as next week will begin to bring in the Silverbacks as those new zones are implemented.

    My run/bike tests are coming up in about 3 weeks

    Was able to squeeze in a run after work yesterday with a 1X1: https://www.strava.com/activities/807512213

    Happy testing all!

    SS

  • @Arnold  Wow! huge VDot bump!! That takes a lot of work, to be sure. I am happy with any bump at this stage in my old legs. I am working through some nagging right knee pains, but able to get the workouts done pretty close to the plan. However, pushing the speed definitely is where my pain tends to ramp up the most. Hoping for a happy knee on Thursday morning! 

    Good luck everyone!

  • I had a successful run test this morning, 21:20 5K, a 28 sec PR! VDot increase from 45 to 46. Splits 6:59, 6:54, 6:47, 6:22 pace for the last .12 mi. Ive not done a solo 5k like that before (outside of a race), thats tough stuff right there!

    Congrats to everyone on your run gains

    https://www.strava.com/activities/808585099
  • Strong work Dave!
  • @Dave, I couldn't agree more! A 5K solo is hard!!

    Here are my test results:

    Wk 1: 23:30 (7:09, 7:42, 7:45, 6:41 last .10) vDot 40

    Wk 8: 22:35 (7:23, 7:17, 7:09, 6:43 last .10) vDot 43

    I did much better with pacing this time around. Happy with the results.
  • Data: Descending pace: 7:34, 7:27, 7:20 and 7:00 for the stub.  VDOT improved to 42, up from 40.  Mile pace improved to 7:23, from 7:45 at week 1.  Conditions weren't great.  It was very dark, there were a few icy patches to navigate around and a couple of inattentive drivers that caused me to change my line.  Nevertheless, I am quite happy with the improvement.  Mostly, I am worried about plantar facitis, which seriously knocked me off track 2.5 years ago.  Keeping my fingers crossed that the run durability program, coupled with Hookas, and stretching, will let keep me injury-free.

  • Strong work Patrick! Are you incorporating foot work/rolling on a lacross ball? A good progression is tennis ball to lacrosse ball. 15-20 times per set, 2 sets a day. One when you wake up, one before bed. Good luck!
  • Not a bit of change. Lthr 140 up maybe 2 from first test. Vdot 24.1 same as first test

    Conditions were perfect, so no excuses.

    11:34, 12:10, 11:52, 11:08. 2d miles was slower, the others were a little faster than before.

    Same thing happened on the bike. 

    A little disappointed since I've felt stronger during the workouts than before, I figured a marked improvement.



    At least I'm not worse.

  • @David, don't get discouraged with static results at Wk 8.  This OS run durability strategy is not pushing the limits of our Z5 running like we are in the bike, so any bumps in 5K time trials are mostly due to fitness improvements in general. I did not see any improvement in my Vdot with this test either, and through the entire OS last year, I stayed the same (5th OS last year). However, my ability to run much longer distances at a faster pace definitely developed from the plan.  You are getting improvements in your run, it is just in different areas that just a 5K test. Although depending on how many OS's you have been through, the improvements get smaller over time in general as you push the limits of your body and mind.

    My test at 5 am this morning was outside! in nice weather for central Illinois at this time of year. 36 degrees, but some slick spots on the road and some maniac paper delivery guy blasting through the neighborhood made for a few challenging moments in the dark. 

    wk 1 (6:48, 7:01, 7:15, 6:55 last 0.1)  21:49 for 7:02/mile  Vdot 45

    wk 8 (7:00, 7:08, 7:01, 6:36 last 0.1)  21:50  7:02/mi   Vdot 45

    Was happy that my last mile was not as much of a drop-off as the week 1 test, so some victory there. Am a few pounds heavier than wk 1 unfortunately too, so victory that I did not drop time even with the added weight, so victory there.  I felt good overall, the right knee stayed quiet, and I pretty much emptied the tank at the end as best I could. 

    Nice bumps @Patrick @Sabra @Dave G!! Way to go!

  • Got the test in late morning. On the TM 2% elevation for consistency from week 1.
    Wk 1: 8:15/mile avg Vdot: 37
    Wk 8: 8:07/mile avg Vdot: 38

    I'll take it. Especially as my run consistency has not been as I'd like and a few extra lbs this holiday season.
  • Any + movement is good movement! I'm there with you on the dropping a few lbs. I plan on hitting this next weight loss challenge hard in January and continue to grid and watch the times drop! Good luck!
  • Newbie question:

    How is everyone measuring their times?

    I am setting my 920xt to 1-mile laps and then running what I estimate to be 175 yards following my 3rd 1-mile lap notification. I am running laps on a flat 1.1 mile loop near my neighborhood. I was considering creating a 5K lap on my Garmin, but I like getting the 1-mile lap feedback. Also, I am doing this as a single data set including my warm up and cool down.

    The problem I run into is that I needed to use a spreadsheet or a pen and paper to calculate my weighted averages because of the stub 0.1 mile piece. Alternatively, I could turn this into three data sets - WU, 5K test and CD. I could even do this on the local HS track and get a more precise distance measurement. Or, I could just make this a 3-mile test.

    I recognize that consistency of route and routine are the most important aspects for a meaningful test, but I am curious what best practices are while I am still relatively early in my training for next summer.
  • Perfect running weather in North Central Jersey at 45 degrees with light wind and sun. Headed to the local track and threw down a 5k PR of 18:06. That's probably a touch fast given Garmin issues at the track, but I'll go with it for now. I could feel the core work paying off in the 2nd and 3rd miles, as I engaged my core and increased leg turnover. Summary of my run tests so far this OS shows the benefit of hitting the run wkos consistently (haven't missed one yet):

    Week 1: 21:01 5k at Central Park NYC Reservoir Loop (vDot = 47)
    Week 4: 19:50 5k at Troy, Michigan Turkey Trot (vDot = 50)
    Week 8: 18:06 5k at local track in Summit, New Jersey (vDot = 55); Pacing of 5:59 for Mile 1, 5:48 for Mile 2, 5:44 for Mile 3, 5:16 for stub

    Current vDot is an all-time high. These new paces are gonna hurt!

    Great results so far and good luck for those testing later this week.
  • @Jeff

    That is a good idea.  I should preemptively go back to the tennis ball in the morning.  Every time I get out of bed, I worry for a fraction of a second that I will feel pain when my feet hit the floor.  So far so good.

    Also, got out a spreadsheet and realized my pace was a 7:26 instead of a 7:23.  Initially, I was using "average moving pace", which got me to 7:23.  But then my overall "average pace" got me to 7:26.  The difference is 13 seconds over the 5K test.  (?...)

    I find this very odd because I never outright stopped.  Occasionally, I had to skip around an obstacle in the dark or change direction due to cars.  Rather than lose any sleep over it, i am going with the slower time for the sake of conservatism.  

    Anyone else experience data anomalies like this? 

  • @Patrick, I recommend using 3 data sets, HS 400 meter track (12.5 laps), garmin set to auto lap each mile. I've had one issue using his method: Losing count of laps aided by my Garmin confusing me because it's not accurate on a track. Garmin always gets the total distance wrong. Thats why you can't lose count of the laps.
  • You'll find that after you roll then stand on the ball (under the ball of your foot) for 30 second each side you'll see a lot of loosening of the hamstrings. I see the time drift as well, I chalk it up to turns and what-not. So it's more incentive to dig deeper!
  • It's exciting see everyone's results and improvements. Regardless of the times, if you've been consistently running 4-6 days a week you/your body has improved at some level. Great job everyone and embrace your new paces.

    My test will have to wait a while. After 7 years of triathlon I have my first injury causing me to miss workouts. I tried running today, after 6 days of no running, and the hamstring is stilled pulled/strained. Bummer. I can no longer stay I haven't had a significant injury since starting triathlon. At least I can still bike and swim!
  • Completed my run test this afternoon and I was a bit unsure what to expect but I am very pleased with the outcomesimage Love seeing all of the great results!
    Test 1 (Oct 7):
    3.12 mi - 24:06 - 7.44 avg - Vdot 40
    Mile splits:
    1: 8:08
    2: 7:45
    3: 7:22
    .12: 7:15

    Test 2 (12/22):
    3.11 mi - 21:59 - 7:04 - Vdot 44
    Mile splits
    1: 7:11
    2: 7:07
    3: 6:55
    .11: 7:05
  • Thanks @Ed. I'll just keep on keeping on. Strength is definitely improving.
  • I just warm up for a mile then do my test for a total of 4.1. I then go to training peaks find my mile marker on the graph slide over the rest of the run and it gives me all of the gory details for the 3.1.
  • Welp, as usual... no improvement whatsoever on the run. I guess at this point I'm just trying not to slow down? Baseline- 30:49. Today- 30:37 for the same exact vDOT of 30.
    I'm kind of disappointed because I want to get faster.
    But I'm glad to see everyone else getting fast! Keep up the great work!
  • Completed my 5K test today. The time was 23.17 for a VDot of 41.7. My previous VDot was 40. 

    Time splits were 7:32, 7:31, and 7:32 with a average HR of 160 bpm. See https://www.strava.com/activities/809185041.

    I'm happy with the result. In previous 5k tests I've always been limited by one injury or another: hamstring strain, plantar fasciitis, etc. When you can't run 5k without injuries rearing they're ugly head, it is very bad news for longer runs.This time I was limited purely by my aerobic capacity - no injuries. This is very good news! The "run durability" plan is working!

  • @Patrick, first nice job getting that stressful test completed successfully bro!  The way I manage the test is to have the watch (my 920XT) lap every mile.  I run the test on a track.  After the 3rd mile, I am watching the distance and hitting the lap button when I cross the .1 mile threshold.  I then put the data in an excel spreadsheet to calculate my total average pace for the 3.1..... 

    @MW - Some big talent there throwing down and progressive 5K test at insane paces!  Nice work!!

    @Derrek S. - get well soon bro....sorry about that hamstring issue.  I know that is both painful and frustrating.  

    Big results coming in across the board showing that work works after only 8 weeks!!  Damn!

    I did some run interval work Wed evening: https://www.strava.com/activities/808247633

    My Hill bounding repeats wko w/ 13 year old son yesterday: https://www.strava.com/activities/808954011

    Enjoy the Friday rest day all!

    SS

  • Wow, this thread was on fire yesterday. Loved reading all of the test results you were putting up. Many saw speed gains and a few did not. Whatever your results, don't make light of the work that you have put in over the past 7 weeks. Maybe you didn't see an increase in speed, but I bet your ability to maintain the speed you do have has improved dramatically. That's DURABILITY.

    @Arnold - First out of the shoot this week. Even steven and huge increase.

    @Dave - Congrats on the PR and a nice descending run progression.

    @Sabra - Shaved off almost a minute and a 3 pt bump. Way to go.

    @Patrick M- Negative split in dicey conditions and a 2 pt improvement.

    @David - While you didn't see a speed improvement, it sounds like your body is adapting to the workload you're throwing at it. Agree with Ed's comments here.

    @Ed - Amazing that you almost nailed your week 1 test time; missed it by 1". I'd take that as a victory in light of adding a few pounds and not losing any speed.

    @Patrick H- Better man than me for completing this test on a TM. A bump is a bump.

    @Mike - An 8 pt bump. that is incredible. You have definitely put in some monster work to attain it though. Congrats.

    @Derrek - Keep resting that injury, which I know you are doing. Sucks since the run is your strength. Can't wait to see what you do on the bike now.

    @Justin - Great 4 pt bump and negative split on all three miles run there. Solid.

    @Leslie - Maybe not the gains you were expecting, but still 12" faster than week 1. That's 4" per mile faster. Some HR data may show some improvement as well.

    @Scott - Great gains on the durability front to go along with an almost 2 pt bump.

    @SS - You sir are a monster. Not only in amazing amount of work you put into your training, but also in the time and motivation you provide to all of us on the team. Just golden. The day always shines a bit brighter after your kind words of wisdom.
  • Whirlwind of a day yesterday. Snuck in my test before heading home for my 6 yo's birthday. Tested on an indoor track at the Y, which is where I have done the majority of my testing over the past 3 years. My week 1 test was one of those tests not performed on this track, so there is some variability between these tests.

    I had a mental struggle in preparing my pacing for this test. While I have run the Sunday intervals at or faster than the prescribed pace, they were only a mile at a time. I didn't have the confidence I had last OS in stringing three of those miles together. In looking back, there was more Z4 work in last year's plan. I distinctly remember stringing together the 2x1 mi Z4's into 1x2's with ease. This year, my legs are done with Z4 work after the 2x1 mile intervals. though I can sustain a TRP and even a Z2 pace for 5+ miles after completing the Z4 mile intervals. Not so much last year. Volume and durability are way up this year. I'll take this gain in durability over the speed gains (vDOT 52) I had last year in week 8.


    2 mile warm up followed by THE 3 MILE SUCK.

                        1         2          3        Total     Pace     Ave HR   Max HR   vDOT

    Week 1     7:35    7:17    7:02    21:54    7:18       164           176            45

    Week 2     6:48    6:51    6:39    20:18    6:46       170           181            49


    I was shooting for a vDOT of 50, but it wasn't in the cards for this day. On the way to the gym, I realize that I left my music player at home on the charger. I had to mentally prepare for a test with without music. Mental focus waned after 1.50 miles and it was a struggle to push the pace. With music, I probably could have knocked 10-14 seconds off of my time. Glad I didn't, as I am hammered today and would be in worse shape had I run it any faster.



    Solid bump and I'll take it. Next week's Z5 work is going to be hard.
  • Got this done finally. Can't say that I felt any difference from week 1 to week 8 test. I must admit I have not been hitting all of the training runs because of travel schedule. Such is life. I did see some improvement.
    Week 1
    Mile 1: 8:00
    Mile 2: 7:45
    Mile 3: 7:03
    .1 : :40
    Avg: 7:35 mile
    HR: 170
    VDot: 41.1

    Week 8
    Mile 1: 7:57
    Mile 2: 7:24
    Mile 3: 7:04
    .1 : :39
    Avg: 7:27 mile
    HR: 171
    VDot: 41.97

    Heading to FL for a couple of weeks at the begging of Jan. Grabbing some spicy tuna and looking forward to getting outside to run off some of the holiday beer. I meant to say cheer. Ha.

    Keep up the great work everyone
  • @ Jeff - Thanks for the advice for my foot.  Will start today
    @David - Thanks for the advice.  I am not back on TrainingPeaks yet, but I realize it could be a big step upper data collection.  Also, keep up the hard work on the run intervals.  Inevitably it will pay off, and running this much early in the year will allow you to further with less effort next season

    @Ed - I think your local newspaper delivery guy was talking on the phone with one of the cars in my neighborhood

    @Mike - Wow, that was huge gain in just 3 weeks

    @Derrek - Good luck.  Be careful with the hamstring.  Things like that have a way of sticking around for a long time unless you let the inflammation go down




    As for data collection, I will stop and start at the same point for the next few tests and keep my Garmin set to give 1-mile lap notices.  Once winter is over, I will move to the track to get a more precise measurement. (However, it doesn’t get plowed in the winter, so it is often covered in snow and ice).




    This was a really helpful thread.  I have only been a member for a few weeks, and didn’t realize that we could communicate as a group.  Tons of great information and motivational posts.




    Have a happy holiday.  Good luck with the holiday run challenge!
  • Got the run test done this afternoon. Both on the TM (for reproducibility). Results:

    Wk 1 Wk 8
    1 8:49 8:20
    2 8:41 8:14
    3 8:28 8:03
    .1 0:59 0:51

    5k 26:51 25:29
    Avg 8:38 8:11
    Vdot 35.2 37.5

    Somewhat improved over week 1. Probably had a little more to give for the first mile, but happy overall. However, tomorrow will suck with new bike and run zones!

    Great work, everyone! @Derrek - rest that hammy - it is an important part of that great engine you have going!
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