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2016/17 NOS Week 12 Bike Thread - Almost there

Welcome to the week 12 2016/17 NOS Bike Thread!  We are almost there with just 2 more weeks of good hard work before we test for the final time in the OutSeason plan.  You all know the routine, and it is basically the same with with a few more minutes of Z4 and few more of the 30/30s.  Let's hear how it goes!

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  • Finished my Tuesday workout last night.  Felt good.  Maintained a 100+ cadence for the three 100% intervals.  Needed to focus but there was no doubt ever about finishing each.  Legs felt tired during the last 80% set.  Overall, the least strain for a Tuesday workout in several weeks. 

    Drank Powerbar electrolyte product. Really like it - not sweet, nice line taste, low sugar and low price point.  Not a lot of calories so would need to supplement for long rides.  
  • Anybody left standing by week 12 OS is a bad ass in my book!  Looks like we have lots of 'em here!

    Tues morning bad dream drill on the bike for me: https://www.strava.com/activities/834908140

    SS
  • Tuesday's wko - time limited to 55' - 2x13'@ .94 & .92. This was half the work, at a lower effort, than I completed on Sunday. The difference is that today's feels like I was served a serious beat down. 2-1/2 weeks of run jail is killing my cardio fitness.
  • Had to do Tuesdays ride today (Wed). I was hoping that extra day of rest would make it easier. Nope
  • Thanks Shaughn!  I felt like a bad ass on Tuesday morning.  

    Ellen
  • I got Tuesday done...easier than last week, plan said 13' x 3, I ended up doing 15', 14', 10'...not sure why, it just worked out that way.  Did a big ski weekend last weekend so was glad to put up a decent bike workout.  
  • Got my 30/30s done...2x16.  I find these much easier than the FTP sets.  Will try to get out and ski tonight if the weather doesn't get too warm!  Good luck everyone.
  • Oh yeah - 16 - Done and Done!  I think Coach Rich is trying to kill me :D   The entire time I kept thinking "Bad ass, Bad ass, Shaughn thinks I am a Bad ass"  Plus - today I finally got to ride without the splint on my right hand since I broke my wrist Dec 10.  Sweet Freedom!!  Good job everyone :)

    Ellen
  • I thought it seemed kind of quiet, because I was not getting any emails.  I need to figure out how to subscribe to the new forums.  So far, it types in a much better format...  anyway.. I had a great ride on Tuesday.  I toned things down a little, because it had been a week since my last bike wko.  I managed to do 10' at 91%, 15' at 95% and 18' at 96%.  The ABP was 10' at 81%.  I was drilled after that one, but I managed to limp onto the treadmill for 35' of MAF (Z1/Z2).

    Ellen and Bill - Getting me fired up for 30/30s tonight!
    Shaughn - That poor gorilla..... 

  • Good morning Bad Asses!
    @BH - a lot of work in that Tuesday set!  nice job!

    If you are leaving this OS soon and transitioning to another plan, it is likely that the weekly Threshold work will continue to be in your next plan, its just that important to maintaining and improving fitness.

    Here's how I mentally get through a threshold interval, and it is 90% mental.  Let's say I have a 15 minute interval I am going after, my legs are not fresh from the week's cumulative fatigue, it is early in the morning and I know if it is going to get done it will have be at the beginning of the day.

    First I warm up those large muscles well which includes 12 or more minutes at Z3 effort.
    I drink well before and go in hydrated and I use a small bit of coffee before the Z4 intervals begins.

    Then, as I begin the set, I don't think about 15 minutes, I focus in the first 5 minute block and mentally tell myself I can do 2 minutes, then 3, then only 2 minutes left to hit the 5.  Once I hit the 5, I am feeling the work and I am mentally telling myself I need to get to the 10 minute mark.  I am focused on form, cadence, and the number (for me 300 or better).  Then I tell myself that when I get to 8:30 I only have 90 seconds to the 10 minute mark.  I push through to 10 and tell myself I can to anything for 5 more minutes.  I break the 5 minutes left down to 1 minute intervals.  At this point, things are and should be tough.  But I dig through it, I fight for each of those minutes, I arrive to 13:30 and get it done for the next 90 seconds and it is over.......

    My point is, break it down to manageable pieces, mentally play tricks on your body by doing so, go in hydrated, use some caffeine if needed, and celebrate your accomplishment, then move forward to the next block....

    Thursday threshold work early: https://www.strava.com/activities/837095832

    SS
  • edited January 19, 2017 10:11PM
    After all the ftp & vo2 max intervals in the November OS plan and  then doing an international distance race 2 weeks ago, I started to feel burned out physically and mentally on the intervals and my power started to drop 

    I felt is was time for a change in bike focus and coach Patrick agreed that it was time for me to switch to longer rides @ 75-85% ftp which I lowered from 260 to 240 to allow me more recovery

    so today I went long for the first time in quite awhile -  riding by myself - doing 60 miles on a 30 mile out and back course with a goal of riding @ about 75%, which I held consistently throughout the ride

    Results:

    56 miles - 2:37 @ 21.4 mph, np - 182, if - .758, tss - 150.3

    60 miles - 2:47 @ 21.56 mph, np - 183, if - .76, tss - 160.4

    (the last 30 minutes I was riding > 23 mph)

    for my first longish  ride I am quite pleased with where my bike is now, (as well as where it was when I raced 2 weeks ago), as I now exit the November OS plan and switch to something more like 70.3 training 


  • Did my VO2max intervals this morning at 5 am.  Legs still felt heavy from yesterday's run, but I am happy to say that I felt better as I got warmed up.  First set was finished without problems.  Dialed up the power by 3% for the second set of 16 and felt fine.  

    @arnold schmidt - Those are some extremely fast splits.  Nice work.
    @Ellen Sauter - Nice work on riding with the splint.  I rode last year with a splint, and know how hard it is to get comfortable without being able to grip the bars.  Hopefully, it has been a good core workout so far.
    @Shaughn Simmons - I agree, the only way to get through those long intervals is to focus on small pieces at a time and use some incentive like sip of gel from the flask at different benchmarks.  I count pedal rotations for alternating sides to pass the time and help me smooth out my pedaling - i.e., 5 strokes right, 5 strokes left, 10 strokes right, 10 strokes left.  I go to 100 and start over.  When I get really tired, I can only count breaths.  However, the counting keeps my mind on the small steps needed to finish the interval.



  • 2x (20 x 30/30) today was a tough one but made it though.  Legs are heavy but this week I feel my bike legs are getting a second wind.  We will see on Saturday.
    Nice work everyone and thanks for the strategy SS.
  • Due to 2 weeks of declining power numbers and unusually fatigued quads, I decided to do recovery/Z2 rides last Thursday and Saturday.  And this week I was back to normal.  Tuesday FTP workout was 10', 15', 18' @ .97, .99, 1.0.  Thursday's workout took some focus (5x4'@low Z5) and I hit my Z5 numbers.  

    @SS - Great explanation on executing FTP intervals.  That's the only way I can get through them.

    Keep up the great work everyone!
  • Veteran move Derrek.  Way to be self aware and talk it down for a couple days and come back stronger. I find that to be one of the hardest things to do.
  • Got in today's VO2 sets in literally the last hour of the day.  Working on pushing up my ceiling by stretching out the time. Still sore from Tuesdays PT and yesterday's run.

    8x1'@ 1.10
    4x2'@ 1.12
  • @ Derrek - I agree with Robert, very smart move you made that will move you forward.  Similarly, I did not have the usual intense Sat bike wko, just an enjoyeable 2 hour bike ride on a rented bike which helped my fatigue going into this tremendously.......

    @Phil - damn nice sets!

    Did a couple I IM watts intervals this morning - semi recovery set myself: https://www.strava.com/activities/838092844

    Good luck with the Sat Gorilla all!

    SS
  • Knocked out the two-hour ride this morning.  I felt strong enough to move up the power a bit on each interval - 100.5, 101.5, 102 and 103%.  At this point, I feel more comfortable with my new FTP, and am hoping (fingers crossed) that I can move it up a few percentage points in week 14.  My goal is to get over 3.5 watts/kg this season, and I am at about 3.35 today.  This is my first season with EN, so after several years of very inconsistent training/social riding, this is the best cycling shape I have ever been in.  

    Slept seven hours, which is a lot for me, so I felt well-rested.  Consumed about 500 calories - two bottles of Accelerade (diluted a bit) and two ounces of Hammer gel - across the 2-hour ride and 5-mile run.  

    Interestingly, the 2-hour ride consumes all of my iPhone battery.  Thus, I have to listen to music through an iPad and also charge the phone while I am riding.  I need to find some type of stand for my iPad (or maybe even my laptop).  Curious how others have set up their pain caves.  

    The new orthotics in the shoes are working well.  I am no longer making concentrated contact with the cleat/peddle.

    Only other thing to note, I think I am going to buy a Wahoo bluetooth cadence meter.  I have a Garmin now for my indoor bike on the Kickr.  However, the fob/dongle combo doesn't work well - my cadence gets recorded only about 50% of the time.  I already moved to a bluetooth HRM for indoor riding.  Think I will have to do the bluetooth cadence meter as well.   I have all Ant+ Garmin accessories for my tri-bike.  

    Hope everyone has a good ride and brick run today.
  • Nice work Patrick.  I got it done today, too.  4x 15' .97/.98/1.00/.99 then 2x 7 at >86/.87.  I could not have done it without SS coaching me through those intervals.  "anyone can do 5 minutes.  OK just get to at least 10.  Now 12.  Come on only 3 more to go."  Knowing the team is doing these really makes it like a mental group ride.  Thank you everyone.
  • Very tough (mentally and physically) workout.  Happy once it was over.  4X15' at 1.0, .99, .99, .99 and 2x7 at .81 and .83.  Agree with Robert, knowing the team is doing these helps knowing I'm not the only one suffering...I mean putting in BIG work.  Happy recovery and let's get ready for week 13!
  • Patrick, fantastic performance!

    Robert, ....all I know is that when you unleash that improved bike engine on top of that run weapon you already carry around, well......frankly it's going to be a like a man competing against boys!........mark my words!

    DS - Having a great time watching the runner evolve into a bad ass biker!

    Rough morning for me Saturday but decided to go ahead and get it done: https://www.strava.com/activities/839452925

    SS
  • Coming back into the threads in a bit of shame...haven't posted in a few weeks.  Adjusting to a new schedule due to evening classes has resulted in me missing a bunch of workouts.  Have still got my weekend bikes and long runs in.  Probably 3 runs a week and 2 bikes each.  Looking to get into some type of routine that better supports everything I need to accomplish.  Nevertheless; I'm back in the forum for the last couple of weeks.  Keep crushing it!  
  • Managed an afternoon wko today. Capped it at 97' to start prepping dinner though mostly because I was spent.

    2x15'@.96 & .94
    2x10'@ .95 & .96

    Tried to cut the 2nd interval short, but managed to suck it up and grind out the last 5'.
  • Great work last week everyone, I know its already next week, but I wanted to get a post in.
    @ Patrick M - Awesome! It looks like you are on your way to a second bump!
    @ SS - Great advice man.  I definitely used it on Saturday!
    @ Derrek - That is a great example of how powerful a little rest is!  Way to come back strong!
    @ Phil - Great Vo2 sets and way to push those 4 FTP set as well!
    @ Robert S - Nice work man!

    This was a full week of work for me (900 TSS over 12 hours).  Thursday I got through the 2 X (20 X 30"/30").  I really like that wko.  At first I was really questioning whether this would be more effective that last years 4' to 5' VO2, because they seemed easier.  When we started doing greater than 16 of these in a set, I realized that they are very hard, but also manageable mentally.  I do them on Zwift and love trying to chase someone down during the 30" of VO2 work.

    I ran on Saturday and did the FTP work on Sunday.  I was time constrained, so I only did the 3 X 15' (.96, .96 and .98).  I was happy with how I felt, especially since I had about 40 miles of running this week in my legs.  
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