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Hello Patrick - really appreciate the reach out....been very low lately.  I started to get a dull pain in my calf around mid-November when travelling in the UK.  I kept running on it however things didn't get any better.  Rest and scaling back the running didn't seem to help.  I got an ultrasound scan a couple weeks ago that confirmed there is a small tear of the "medial head of the gastrocnemius at the myotendinous junction"....in other words, a tear in the calf at the junction between the muscle and the tendon.  I got PRP a week ago and have been on complete rest last 7 days.  I can cycle this coming week, and can try to get back to running in a week's time and then bring things up from there.  Body comp has gone out the window a bit as well.  ;-(

So...considering we had a FANTASTIC plan to get me to become a "real" runner...this has really derailed that plan and am pretty upset about it.  I have lost two months of proper training and feel like I am at risk now to achieve the goals we set out.

Thoughts from your side?  Want to shoot some thoughts over...or do we need to perhaps regroup over the phone once I am back on my feet?

I have thought briefly do I need to think about a later race (ie Arizona) vs MT but haven't done anything.  I am looking forward to doing MT so don't really want to move it...but that's maybe me thinking to far ahead at this point.

Appreciate thoughts!

Thanks Patrick.

Dawn
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  • Real Runners have Problems Too Yo!  

    Nobody ever said that becoming awesome would be easy. :smile: I am bummed about your situation, but we can work on it.  Remember I can only help you if you reach out to me!!!

    The first order of business is making sure that you are 100% recovered. So easy cycling yes, option for some aqua jogging this week. Next week would be almost running...elliptical, call it 3 x 30' sessions. Then we check in again. 

    Don't underestimate what you have. If we only slice time where you are NOW it looks bad, but you are SUPER healthy...let's give your body time to do it's thing. 

    Yes, set up a a call with me for the first week of Feb, until then check in with me here: http://meetme.so/patrickmccrann (Please remember to include your phone number.)

    ~ Coach P

  • Hello Patrick, and thanks a lot!  I should have reached out sooner....lesson learned....but now we are on a roll!

    Aqua jogging...what would you consider a good workout?  I tried it once in the last weeks...for only 5 minutes and just got bored!  If it is my only option...I will try it again.

    I like the idea of elliptical....well I like the idea of running better but baby steps I guess!  Will plan that one in for sure.

    Thanks for the encouragement...let me know about time aqua jogging, and I will set something up officially to chat.

    Have a good week!
  • @Dawn Cass We've got your back!!  :smile: 

    We have some great resources for you in the Run Wiki here.  Overview and an actual progressive plan to print and follow...can't wait to talk!!!

    ~ Coach P
  • Wow...fantastic stuff...didn't realize it was there....will dive into it this eve!

    Talk soon.

    Have a good one.

    Dawn
  • Hello Patrick - thanks for the above and I have a slot booked in our calendar to catch up live on Thursday this week.  Until then, any advise on how to bring up the running?  I did 1 mile pain free Thursday, 2 miles pain free Saturday (today).  I plan on doing "long" ride tomorrow for 2 hours and see how things feel.  We can talk live on thursday however let me know if you have other thoughts before then.  Talk soon!
  • @Dawn Cass  - I think you are on the right track. I don't want much more...as in 2 miles pain free is good if it was 4 x 1/2 mile with breaks in between. It's the ramping up of the "work" miles that will get you!

    Keep those runs 1 day apart until we talk!

    ~ Coach P
  • Hello and thanks again for the chat.  Just a small question regarding the tweaks to the plan.  For each week we are ramping up, any suggestions as to how much time should be cross train vs run.  So next week should be 12 miles running.  How much of that should be Xtrain...and then of course over time I would do less xtrain, more run.  Also, regarding the climb on the treadmill....assume this is walking, slow-moderate pace?
  • @Dawn Cass

    Hey!! Per my notes, this is what I meant: 

    Total runs listed here should include XTRAIN sessions...I would consider 10' of XTR a "mile" of running. And by XTR I mean the following: + Elliptical + Treadmill Climb @ 8% incline. + Pool Running

    So to answer you, I'd do 50% XTR now...and then every week drop it by 5%...so if you have a 12 mile week...that's 60' (aka 6 miles) of XTR.  But next week that 16 miles is 45% XTR (calculator says that's 7.2 miles). 

    As or the treadmill, yes!  So warm up like 8' of walking @ 2%...then slow it down to 2mph (ish) and ramp up the incline. Use those glutes!!

    ~ Coach P
  • Hello Patrick, hope all is well on your end! Need a bit of time to check in with you. Injury wise I think things are progressing well. The xtrain/run strategy has not put to much stress on things. And think the coming weeks we will be getting more into a proper run schedule.

    the reason for the post is that I am quite upset at the back step I have taken on things. In the last month I have found it difficult to keep up with the bike work so decided to do an FTP test. It was shocking...195 off of 205 in October. Last two racing seasons I was at 230...and I haven't seen numbers so low since 2013! Heart rate was only 145 on the test so I wonder if I was really giving my all? I could test again but still go back and wonder why I couldn't keep up with the blocks until now (vo2 work was fine...it was the 13' at FTP long rides that were tough).

    i could use some advise please. Do I just put my head down and "really" start to get into things now that the calf is feeling better? I have yet to do any intensity / speed work on running either....should we be adding that soon? Should I try another bike test to see what I get? Have I been doing something wrong?

    if you look at my files, need to ignore the last week as I was out for the count with flu...as if I need anyone else, right?!

    Appreciate thoughts!
  • @Dawn Cass - no two seasons are the same. Or rather, past performance doesn't predict future performance. Right now priority #1 is getting your run back. Yes, your FTP is down 5%, but that's essentially a rounding error....but let's dive in more. 

    This is your October 20' test....



    This is your March 20' Test:



    From what I see:
    • Your NP was three watts higher (201 to 198 watts) than last time. 
    • Your HR was almost equal (145 to 146 bpms).
    So I see despite the injury and illness set back, your bike fitness is about the same as October...which is great. You were fitter this time LAST YEAR...according to that comparison you are about 4 weeks behind, but I am confident things will ramp up as you continue your progression...

    Give it a few more weeks!!

    ~ Coach P
  • Thanks a lot for the feedback Patrick, appreciate it. You always have a positive spin on things so thanks for encouragement!! Will keep in touch over the coming weeks and let you know how it's going.
  • @Dawn Cass - I'll keep at it until you concede that your "worst case scenario" is someone's "dream fitness" -- a burden to bear, but the perspective helps. Also, experience has taught me that you simply can't draw a straight line on fitness gains when coming back. It's not what you've done that matters, only that you did it. ONWARDS!
  • @Coach Patrick thanks again...and love it!! Now feeling pumped.  :-)

    practical question...I am now ramping up with another swim add of CSS work and you mention, 100s and 200s. Would to do 3,000 and simply break it down to WU....then even amounts of the above sets? 

    Secondly, I have been interested in your latest post on running with power and thinking about getting a stryd. Is it something you think would help in my progression forward?

    Dawn
  • @Dawn Cass - yes, I would suggest 3,000 minus your Warm Up and 200 Easy Cool down. Take the remaining time to divide into CSS training. I humbly suggest a break every now and then. So say you have 2400 to divide...that could be  3 x 600 intervals @ CSS with 200 drill / recovery, etc. 

    Make sense? 

    ~ Coach P
  • Yes, got it...thanks!!
  • Hello! Another quick check in. Next week I jump into the HIM plan. In this, it has a 120 run on Wednesday but our modified plan shows 8 mile tempo for the same day. I assume I do the 8 mile...and that being the longest run for the week? That seems to be the setup for all of the HIM time unless I am reading it wrong? I would expect I need a long run at some point...but also ok if it's not next week considering my longest through this injury has only been 8 mi.

    can you please let me know?

    thanks!!
  • @Coach Patrickone additional question to ^^, should I now bring up the intensity? I haven't run tested in a while...good idea or still be careful not to stress the calf? (Knock on wood), I have not had pain but know that it's still there.  Please let me know on both! Thanks.
  • @Dawn Cass - thanks for reaching out. Continue with your modified program please...as that starts to run out, we can figure out the next step. 

    I say no need to run test....you know your Goal Race Pace and we can work towards that. The goal is 8:40s...so it's about building time towards that. I see this friday you put up 5+ at 8:57s...not too shabby!!!!
  • @Coach Patrick Thanks a lot for the reply, and comment on the 5 miler!  Simple question then...you mention 8 mile tempo run.  What do you recommend is the best way to structure it...ie, warm up x miles, then 1 mile at 8.40 pace, rest, repeat x times?  I haven't done tempo runs much to be honest so would be interested in how you would suggest we best structure?  

    BTW..had to move the week around a bit so instead of Wednesday run, did bike and swim...and tomorrow is planned run.

    Thanks!!

  • @Dawn Cass

    So the tempo run is 2 miles to get loose, then remainder (6 in this case) at 8:40 pace. If you can't sustain that pace, you can run "X" time/distance and then talk a power walk break before you get back to it!

    I hope the run was good!!!

    ~ Coach P
  • @Coach Patrick
    Hello and thanks for the above.  Just checking in on things to get your guidance on the coming 2 weeks.

    CHOO 70.3 is two weeks out, Sunday 21st.  Considering injury setback, current goal on this one is to have fun and not re-injure the calf as A race is still IMMT.  I would still like to do a reasonable time and not just waste the time/money of going....however at the hint of pain in the calf...I will pull things back to save myself for August.  

    On a broader perspective, I have put down 2 weeks of 27 miles of running each and pleased with it.  Body comp getting more in check, currently at 61 vs our target of 60.  Overall run pace is not as speedy as we need so working towards that and can tweak going forward.  I am balancing between pushing and not breaking.  I can still feel the injury in the background but hasn't been painful.

    General strategy on training runs....I have tried to start out slower to give my leg enough warm up time.  Try to push later in the runs to up the speed.  Understand still not at 8.40 average pace across but still want to build to it.

    So, my question is regarding the next two weeks of training considering race...but also ultimate goal of MT.
    1. Run..this week is 20 miles, next 15.  Planning 8mi tempo this Wednesday..fill in rest.  Next week, does the 15 include the 13.1 of the race...so only 2 miles of running on race week?
    2. Bike - plan shows 7 hours/4x this week.  That would mean 2 pretty big days this weekend although the EN plan shows 2.5 hour bike on Saturday...nothing Sunday.  Can you let me know which is preferable?  Next week shows 8 hours, 4x..same question, assume the 8 hours includes race hours?

    Appreciate thoughts!!

    Dawn 
  • @Dawn Cass - so glad to hear you are on the mend...that's taken a lot of patience...very proud of you. Don't judge your race on a split or pace, but rather by how you run. I would say running hard uphill isn't on the table, but you can do almost everything else at full speed. Let's see how the whole thing turns out. 

    As for your hack plan, I didn't build in a race consideration...so....

    • Run 20 this week, next week you can run 2x for 3-4 each, then the race. 
    • Bike 5h this week, with longer ride on the weekend being easy, not hard. Next week follow the race week bike plan. 
    Let me know if you need more help!

    ~ Coach P
  • @Coach Patrick as always, thanks for the guidance and like the plan. Will be in touch after the race to see how things went. I also have 3 days of work travel mom-wed after Choo half so will be some forced recovery which will probably do my leg good.

    have a great day.
  • @Dawn Cass -

    Perfect...really like the direction you are headed in!

    ~ Coach P
  • @Coach Patrickhello!! On the plane back from CHOO half and super keen to have you look at my files and set up a meeting to get your thoughts on if/what we need to tweak now that A race is next on the list. I am happy my leg held up and honestly (knock on wood) doesn't actually hurt as I sit here...good news. On the flip side however....I came in ~22nd in age group which is AWFUL.  Want to find out how we plan the coming months to make sure I am in the right spot in August.

    thoughts?
  • @Dawn Cass - Great to hear from you...and to stalk you on GroupMe all weekend!  Overall I am also pleased of your race. Taking a look at the results you were very steady. Giving you haven't really written outside room much, I am not disappointed with what you were able to do. A very steady race, one that will be very successful at the full distance. It's important to remember that a lot of the people showing up for this weekend are also prepping for the world championships, and there were plenty of fast folks there.

    Here is a quick video in my analysis for you: https://goo.gl/aA5kQ3 

    The only edit I can see making is having you drop that heart rate a little sooner on the bike. But you're one was still very consistent, especially giving how much we had to adjust your training. Again, I am pleased. This is a good first race of the year for you.... If you have links to previous half irons that you want me to compare, feel free to put them here!
  • @Coach Patrickthanks a lot...super helpful! Here's a few other data points for you:

    race rehersal...as you said, I have not actually ridden outside this year so last long rides were May 13 and May 6th if you want the closest to a race rehearsal comparison. I really struggle with long rides downstairs so very excited the weather is changing! I don't think my indoor performance is as strong as I really could be.

    Other 70.3 comparisons...that would be great to have a look. 2016 was Maryland, June 12th. Weather was 90 degrees and no shade. Going in felt strong on bike and ended up blowing up on the run. Looking back, I think I went out to quick which is what I aimed to change this year. Before that, Sunday July 19th, 2015 was Racine 70.3.

    please let me know by comparison and would love to set up a live chat from there to talk in more detail.

    have a great day!
  • @Dawn Cass Sorry for the confusion; I wasn't going to update your sheet I was going to put my notes in here for you! 

    The big edit for you is to move to a focus now on the Tempo stuff through mid-July (FTP / ABP), then we transition to the Race Pace Plus. 

    So this is weeks 10, 9, 8, and 7....or IM Weeks 
    IM 11, IM 12, IM 13, IM 14....so INSTEAD of doing long Sat and long Sun, I want 3 hours-ish on BOTH DAYS with most work in the .8 to .85 IF range (Half IM effort). Remember we are all on Zwift at 8am on Sundays if that helps...once you are into IM Wk 15, you can get back to the Long Sat and ABP sunday....okay? 

    ~ Coach P

  • @Coach Patrick thanks and absolutely makes sense!! Thanks for the ride this am....was good fun. I also tried to push blocks of power on my 3 ish hour ride outside on Saturday and felt a better workout.

    So my next question is on the running. This week clocked 30 miles and if you look at my stats, especially on Thursdays split run I am at 8.40 pace or better once I get warmed up. In general however...you have me about 30 miles per week for the next few weeks. If Thursday is a split run of 75/75 minutes as per the advanced plan...I should do 16-17 miles. If Sunday is supposed to be 8 miles with a bike...that's 24ish in total leaving only 6 miles for the rest of the week. Is that correct? I know we want to balance frequency with volume so thought to reach out.

    Appreciate thoughts!

    have a great night.
  • @Dawn Cass -  yes, I am very pleased with your 840 pace. I think that you are ready to move to something you're running blocks. But we need to be super careful here especially in the first week -  adapting to the longer ones can be tough. You will likely see a little drop in pace but don't sweat it. My top priority will be to get the split run in but without overdoing it.

    lets do this...

    week 1: 75 / 30 spilt, Sunday 8,  rest of runs distributed across the week.

    week 2: 80 / 40 spilt, Sunday 8,  rest of runs distributed across the week.

    week 1: 60 / 60 spilt, Sunday 8,  rest of runs distributed across the week. 

    By the time you get to the third week, hopefully the pieces have approved of it or the drop rate has dropped. Lots of work to come!
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