VASA
This one has been in the works for a long time and am excited to announce the partnership with VASA! VASA Swim Trainers are a perfect addition to your pain cave!
Long time EN athlete Ian Kurth SWEARS by this machine and will be helping us put together a program inside EN to improve your swim times. This combined with all Mike Roberts and Coach Patrick are doing is going to be INSANE!
More in the works, just like we are developing the Stryd PowerMeter section of this team, so if anyone grabs one of these bad boys or already has one, we will need you to be apart of the growth!
Check out Ian's interview blog Here
Here is our discount deal with them:
Swim Erg Discount Code: BONUS-EN-ERG
Code Valid for:
Endurance Nation active members only
Purchase of one SwimErg
Discount value: $100 off
SwimErg best for triathletes looking to:
Build Specific Endurance & Power
Save precious time
Improve technique while training
Measure Swim Power & track progress
Trainer Pro Discount Code: BONUS-EN-TRAINER
Code Valid for:
Endurance Nation active members only
Purchase of one Trainer Pro
Discount value: $50 off
Trainer PRO best for triathletes looking to:
Build ‘breakthrough’ specific strength
Improve high elbow catch & pull
Maximize starts & turns with powerful leg Plyos
High quality, time-saving total training
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I have owned and ERG for several years and think you will find the people at Vasa a pleasure to work with.
I'm far from an expert on the "best use" of this device but know that it's made me a lot stronger. Again, I'm curious and excited to see this happen and hope that the Vasa thread grows some legs!
Here's my story on the Vasa blog:
https://vasatrainer.com/blog/an-interview-with-jubal-dais-a-triathletes-inspiring-story-of-hard-work-dedication/
Here is a link to the "Old Forum" thread that we started to try and consolidate wisdom:
http://members.endurancenation.us/OldForums/tabid/57/aft/22313/Default.aspx#239058
@Jubal Dais - I remember reading your VASA blog write-up, as well as some of your comments on the long VASA slowtwitch thread. They were helpful for me to commit to purchase. Welcome to the EN team!
Please forgive me if I've missed this in the old forum.
I had used the swim smooth 400/200 CSS protocol for a couple of seasons and just modified it for the VASA:
http://www.swimsmooth.com/training.html
Last season, I was prescribed a 400/100 protocol by Eric Neilsen at TSRF. These were his instructions for the test that I saved in my Strava account:
https://www.strava.com/activities/622400500
2016-06-27 EN TSRF Swim VASA 2000m 400/100 CSS power test
Instructions:
Extended warm up of 15 minutes making sure to target both some high SPM work and some bib DD# to get things fully opened up.
400M test first and program in the distance so when you finish it will give avg SPM and Power along with time.
Rest 8-10 minutes with both passive and active before you tackle the 100 Test. Same thing program in the distance so you can collect avg's when done
Results:
400 - 5:49 - 113w avg; 60 spm; 1:22/100y
100 - 1:18 - 154w avg; 60 spm; 1:15/100y
There are also some other protocols floating around on the VASA website from Al Lyman which include a couple variations of a 1000m TT.
We tended to use the 400 number as a sort of FTPish number and based power workouts on a percentage of the 400 and 100 watts. Ex: - 75-80% 400 watts for intervals of 8-15 min over an hour workout; 100% of 100 wattage for short intervals of 15-45 sec etc.
I found the 400/100 to be fairly reproducible and reasonable in establishing power zones for FTP type and VO2 type interval workouts.
Using wattage goals/targets with varied DD levels and stroke rates to achieve wattages was engaging and helpful fitness wise...
It seems that the other VASA thread which contains a good bit of info is locked out (view only). Can this thread be combined with the old VASA thread and moved into the training forum for better visibility?
Nevermind... Sorry, I found it here:
https://endurancenation.vanillacommunities.com/discussion/comment/244880#Comment_244880
@Coach Patrick
@Jenn Edwards
Reviving this thread and calling all vasa users for some latest opinions. We are considering this however it's a pretty big investment that I wonder if you really get a good return for. I have read the older posts and see that Ian and now Coach Patrick, swear by it...others are hot and cold.
Are you really buying convenience here? ie..let's say I have a pool down the road to go to with little admin, will the vasa trainer enhance me more than just going the traditional route of the pool?
Appreciate thoughts.
my $.02
Last year was my first full "serious" year on the VASA and I noticed an improvement in my swim times. This season I had a single swim in any water body before IMLP race weekend and that was a local OLY race that I use to kick off my season. Everything else was on the VASA because I can get it done at home before everyone wakes up. I don't have easy access to a pool and closest OWS is 1 hour + drive each way. My n=1 is that LP was a PR swim for me (over IM LOU with current).
When I first got the VASA I thought it sucked, it hurts, I can't go far/long on it. Slowly I built up some strength and worked my way up 5 doors worth of resistance. Now I wouldnt want to train without it.
I'm in the "maybe" for me camp. It is SO tough, historically I had a hard time getting up over 500y and inevitably would retreat to the pool. In the last couple months I committed to seeing it through and am finally able to do (a broken) 1,000. A Red Mist session and subsequent IM swim results remain to be seen, but I will be a good case study for sure. As far as convenience - ABSOLUTELY. Rest assured, if my results prove to not suffer, I will lean heavily on it for subsequent training. Keep us posted!
Edit: Most definitely am acquiring some seriously aesthetically pleasing (IMO) shoulders!
Thanks for the suggestion and if I could find a used one...I think I would snap it up! I had a look actually but nothing out there that I can see at the moment. Will keep looking.
@Ian Kurth
Thanks for the comments and know you are a big user/supporter of it. What you mention is some of what I guessed may be the case. Summer wise I have easy access to a pool however at other times of the year when the local one is not open, there is a lot of admin so something like vasa starts to be attractive! If I do pull the trigger, I may be coming back with more questions!
@Jenn Edwards
Thanks Jenn...good to get your feedback. Quick question....when you mention it was hard to get over 500 yards...I assume that's due to the boredom factor? On your edit note however....nice shoulders are certainly worth the investment however...you may have me sold on it.
Great question as it is actually that I found it SUPER hard. Geeze and I consider myself in the "brick shit house" pretty-darn-strong kind of build. Seriously burning shoulders but I kept at it and got over the hump. Good luck and three cheers good lookin' shoulders!
https://endurancenation.vanillacommunities.com/discussion/comment/244880#Comment_244880