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Jojo Thirasilpa 2017 Year One Coach Thread

Here's your personal Coach Thread, as promised. This is where you'll return to post all your "coach" questions as responses; I'll see them and reply. This first post is here to guide you through your first year on EN, so you can always come back here. 

As you'll see in this forum, I handle all manner of edits and changes.  So post away, know that I reply here usually M/W/F each week.

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Your Season Update

These are your recommended training plans, including the date you should start each one (sometimes you won’t complete a full plan but transition to another one).  You can change your plans on the Training Plan page by clicking the Move / Change button. Learn more about each plan on the Training Plan Central Page.

  • Last updated by Coach on 06/26/2017 
  • On 6/26 Load the Intermediate Get Faster Training Plan, 10wks to end on 9/3/2017
  • On 9/4 Load the Intermediate 2017 EN*Half to end on 11/26/2017
  • On 11/27 Load the Intermediate Post HalfIron Transition Plan, All Levels (2wks) to end on 12/10/2017
  • On 12/11 Load the Beginner Run Durability 1 (9 months out) -- 4 weeks to end on 1/7/2018
  • On 1/8 Load the Intermediate 2017 OutSeason / Run Durability Plan, 14wks to end on 4/15/2018

Coach Notes

So, the goal here is to give you a break after your first 70.3® of the season with some different training -- our GetFaster plan is perfect (learn more here). You'll end with a test week, then transition into your EN*Half plan for Phuket. You get the full 12 weeks there, before recovering and refocusing for next season. 

Let me know what questions you have, otherwise let's get to work!

~ Coach P

Comments

  • Coach P - many thanks for putting this together for me - I know you're going through some pretty material changes and appreciate that you've got a lot to get through.

    A couple of questions - I just arrived in Nice for a family holiday for a couple of weeks - I have my bike with me and was planning to focus on riding for the next couple of weeks (I recently listened to your one of your podcasts about big bike volume over a weekend and was planning to put together a few days of medium - short - long distance / intensity days with a rest day; repeat throughout until I get back home - there are some pretty amazing climbs around here - the Tour de France passes through here most years.  So would you recommend that I just move the start date of the Get Faster plan back until I get back home (and truncate accordingly at the end) or just start on week 3 when I get back?

    Also, I am an atrocious swimmer - (53 minutes in the IM 70.3 Switzerland) - not that I am fast in any discipline.  I recently invested in a Vasa Swim Erg (partially after listening to your podcast!)  Are there any resources that you can recommend to help me get the most out of the machine?  There are some introductory workouts that are provided with machine that I thought I would use as a starting point when I get back home, but if there is anything else you would recommend, I am all ears!

    I first joined EN 4 - 5 years ago, but was sidelined due to a back problem; am super psyched to be "back in the game" and looking forward to the coming years.

    JoJo


  • @JoJo Thirasilpa -  The only way to truly know what training plan you should be on now while you are in France is to demand that I join you for several weeks to personally review the bicycle routes!!  :D

     I think your plan is great, here is a suggestion of how I would handle it:

    * ride two to three hours, running 20 to 30 minutes.

    * Ride one and a half hours with some Zone 3 work, run 30 minutes. 

    * ride 3 1/2 to 4 hours, No Run!

    * Run 60 to 90 minutes.

    * Day off, chill!

     I am super excited to hear about your versa purchase! It is an incredible tool but it can be intimidating. First step is just getting used to using it as a Technique is a little different. Our use it as a frequency tool – getting in a mile as many mornings as I can before my  "Real" workouts.  While you are away, give me some time to figure out what a introductory set of workout to look like and I will try to get those posted for the team to see you!

    I certainly hope you are on Strava, so we can follow your adventures this summer. Please let me know.

    Great to have you back on the Team, and thank you for all of your support! 
  • edited December 26, 2017 1:46AM

    Here's your updated Season Plan, as promised. This is where you'll return to post all your "coach" questions as responses; I'll see them and reply. This first post is my best outline of how to proceed with your races, but you can ask any / all questions you want. So post away, know that I reply here usually M/W/F each week.

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    Your Notes

    Completed the HIM intermediate training plan in the lead up to 70.3 Phuket on 26 November.

    Last FTP 164, Last TP 8:44

    Since then, I have been fairly inactive. Next week I will start Run Durability to get things going again with a view to joining the January Outseason. Even though I am deep in the back of the pack, I have registered for my first IM distance event in July. I have realistic goals for this debut effort, and am looking forward to getting back into the training. Also, I have scheduled a video analysis session with a swim coach in mid January to start making some progress against the high swim time. 

      

    Your Races

    • Ironman Austria (2018-07-01) #IMAustria_18 

      

    Season Update

    These are your recommended training plans, including the date you should start each one (sometimes you won’t complete a full plan but transition to another one).  You can change your plans on the Training Plan page by clicking the Move / Change button. Learn more about each plan on the Training Plan Central Page.

    • Last updated by Coach on 12/25/2017
    • On 12/25/2017 Load the -- Run Durability 2 (8 months out) -- 4 weeks to end on 1/21/2018
    • >> Transition Early << 
    • On 1/8/2018 Load the Beginner OutSeason (Run Focus) Plan, 14wks to end on 4/15/2018
    • On 4/9/2018 Load the Beginner EN*Full to end on 7/1/2018
    • On 7/2/2018 Load the -- Post Ironman Transition Plan, All Levels (4wks) to end on 7/29/2018

      

     

    Coach Notes

    https://endurancenation.wistia.com/medias/bwbk0l8gby?embedType=iframe&amp;seo=false&amp;videoWidth=400


    Let's get to work!

     

    ~ Coach P

  • Hi Coach - just wanted to say thank you for getting this to me during the holiday period.  I was hammered with a nasty cold / flu through Christmas, but your message got me motivated to get outside and get moving.  It's mostly gone now, looking forward to tomorrow's run and ride.  Thanks again and best wishes for a Happy New Year!

    JoJo
  • @JoJo Thirasilpa -  Thank you for sharing that uplifting message! I really appreciate it. I hope you have continued to stay on a good path and look forward to following your progress over January.
  • @Coach Patrick Hi Coach P.  Just posted my race report for IM Austria.  How can I schedule the follow up call with you recommended in the transition video?  Many thanks.

    JoJo
  • https://calendly.com/pmccrann/15min Is the place to do it. Looking forward to hearing all about it!
  • Hi Coach Patrick - thanks very much for your time on Tuesday - it was great to speak live and debrief my first IM and start thinking about what's next.  Post - IM recovery has been going OK.  Per the transition plan, I did my first run yesterday, legs were a bit heavy, but HR seemed roughly in line with where I expect it to be for an easy run.

    As discussed on our call, I would appreciate your guidance on how to prepare for Ride Across Britain.    Key details for the ride:

    8 - 16 September
    9 days / 980 miles / 52,000 ft elevation gain (5,800 ft per day average)

    The bike at IM Austria was 5,700 ft of elevation gain, so I generally feel pretty comfortable with that, but the cumulative fatigue over 9 days is certainly going to be a consideration (and 4 of the days will have a materially greater amount of climbing - biggest day will be 8,200 ft, though fortunately on the first day).

    I will be on holiday in Portugal from 21 July to 4 August which corresponds to Weeks +4 and +5 after IM Austria - I plan to do some biking (hopefully nearly every day to try to retain some bike fitness)  and OW swimming in the sea as well as some easy running but emphasis will be on having fun and spending time with family while I am there.

    So I guess I would be properly ready to get back into it beginning on 5 August.  That leaves about a month, which certainly isn't a lot of time, but hopefully I will be able to retain a fair amount of my baseline fitness through the 5th.  I don't really have any performance objectives for the Ride Across Britain - it's just about seeing some stunning scenery and getting out on the bike - but I would still like to be as fit as I can be within the constraints above.                                                                                                  

    Not sure how helpful this will be, but I attach below my Training Peaks PMC (Bike only / SBR) since the beginning of the year.  Many thanks for your thoughts.

    JoJo





  • @JoJo Thirasilpa - okay, here we go. I think we can break the action into three parts. 

    Part One - Recover and Frequency
    You are in the recovery plan, which is S/B/R. I would suggest you "hack" That plan to emphasize the bike...so three bikes a week...even short and easy...they will help. Ideally by the 30th, you can put in one good week of frequent biking to "start" adaptation before vacation. A big week would be 200 to 250 miles across the week. No single ride longer than 4 hours, please. Frequency matters here. 

    Part Two - Vacation, stay active
    Enjoy a break from the bike during this break. We want you to ride every 3rd day as a minimum. Otherwise you can do short runs of 30 to 40 minutes to keep your metabolism working. 

    Part Three - Final Build
    When you return, you can activate the Final Surge integration (info here) so that we can load one of the new century plans to get you through the ride. Let me know when that's done so I can get you set up. 

    In terms of managing the ride itself, here are some thoughts for you: 
    • Confirm your bike has friendly ride gears...you don't want to get to Day Five and find you can't turn the cranks because your cassette is a 12/23 or something (you'll want up to a 28 in the back if possible). 
    • You'll want new shorts or at least multiple pairs of shorts for variety. 
    • Chamois cream is mission critical. 
    • Daily post ride recovery is required. Chocolate milk is the easiest, but anything that gets you some good protein within an hour of your ride will matter. Even protein powered in cold water will do the trick. 
    • Eat often and early as the days add up. You'll have less and less glycogen and ignoring the need to eat early on Day Three or Four could really mess things up. 
    Let me know about Final Surge and if we don't talk beforehand, have a great trip!

  • Hi Coach P - just back from vacation.  I managed to get in some frequency - 200 miles across a seven day block and a couple of other rides in since then to maintain every third day riding per your recommendation.

    Fortunately Ride Across Britain is pretty well supported (including a laundry service !) so riding in fresh shorts daily should be fine (and will be using chamois cream every day).  I rode a 11-32 cassette at IM Austria, so just need to get that switched over to my road bike (and medium cage RD switched over from TT bike).  Also - thanks for the thoughts regarding nurtition / recovery - will definitely be focussed on that!

    In terms of getting between now and 8/9, any feedback from the team at Final Surge (I still haven't been able to add FS to my EN subscription)? 

    In the meantime, I have registered for a 126 mile / 12k ft elevation gain sportive on 19 Aug as a kind of test day for RAB (I will also try to do a 3-4 hour ride the day before to get ~175 miles across the weekend) .  While the FS integration is getting sorted out - is there a hack of some other plan you could recommend for the next week or two?  Many thanks!


  • @JoJo Thirasilpa - I just manually added you to FinalSurge. It seems like you already have an account on FinalSurge so when you go to your Inbox get the special code they sent you and then go to the special link here, log into FinalSurge, and use that code to merge yourself on that side with the Endurance Nation program and then you can load up your plans. Again, all that information should be in an email that was just sent to you five minutes ago via Final Surge

    http://log.finalsurge.com/EnduranceNationPickup

    Code: YMWT2QE68B

    Once you are late, you will see all of the Endurance Nation training plans and can pick your plan from there. Let me know if you have any issues!
  • @Coach PatrickI just successfully loaded up the Intermediate Century Plan, so should be all set.  Thanks!
  • @JoJo Thirasilpa -  That’s awesome! Please let me know what you think and how it goes. That’s a new training plan and so I’m always interested in feedback. Happy training!
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