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DS IMWI Race Report


The skinny version: This was IM #4 and it did not disappoint. Not a PR for me at this distance and I failed to achieve my primary goal of a sub-11 hour race but I did PR the marathon with my first sub-4 hour effort despite a torn calf muscle following a 6 hour bike ride (IF 0.74/VI 1.1/TSS 325). It was my best AG placement at the IM distance, 28th place (previous three efforts all 36th-93rd).

The long version: Ironman Wisconsin, like all Ironman races, started a year earlier in 2016 with the idea that we would make it a family reunion event. Once we made our intentions known a bunch of people said they would jump in and do the race. At one point 5 family members were considering toeing the line, but in the end it was just the same two dingbats once again - me and my brother-in-crime, Alexander “Sandy” Slocum. Sandy has done 20 Ironman races all around the world, in every type of condition, all while maintaining a crazy mix of work - professor at MIT, globe trotting MechE and expert legal witness consultant, and father to 3 awesome grown-up kids, married to a marathoning wife who maintains a self-sustaining farm - needless to say, he serves as a constant source of inspiration for me. 

I flew in Thursday to meet up with Sandy who had prescribed a chili dinner “to clean you out before the big day” in Milwaukee. I had not gotten to see this branch of the family in too long. Sandy’s son Alex, and his wife Sarah, are both young doctors in the middle of residency with two children under 2. Time machine experience for me since my wife Valerie and I were stationed in the same situation 10 years ago. Their house is one big bouncy house for their beautiful kids. They had the look of two young people who have not slept in 3 years but still maintained hope that one day sleep would happen (I have a surprise for you guys, It doesn’t). Brutal but beautiful. Great way to put Ironmaning into perspective. 

I slept at a local hotel and woke up early to get breakfast, or so I thought. I was beat to the buffet by 40 *middle aged* men dressed in identical Aaron Rodgers jerseys and foam cheese head hats. All were consuming Spotted Cow beer *at 0600*, *2 days* before the Packers game.  Some were doing a little dance while the others crowded around. Respect. Another great way to put Ironmaning into perspective. Sandy and I loaded up and drove into Madison. 

I learned the brake lever on my Ventum sustained minor trauma during transport, so instead of driving the course as planned we chilled in Madison while the mechanics fixed it. Absolutely loved Madison. This was my first trip to the great city and the people here did not disappoint. Everybody was hospitable and gracious. The weather was perfect. The team EN dinner that @Frederick Guesneau put together was fantastic. Dined with @Jon Bergmann and his wife. Great conversation over great pizza. I confirmed @Ian Kurth is not a robot, and yes, his family is just as picture perfect as they look on paper. 

Valerie surprised me by flying in on a red eye Saturday morning after a full work week make it for race day. That raised the stakes of the race considerably.

Saturday we crushed a large pancake breakfast and headed out to drive the course. We started off giggling about how fun this course was going to be after encountering the first few rollers. As we crested Barlow and circled the loop back into Verona, hill after hill - we just stopped counting them - our giggling slowly died, turning into the quiet silence that happens when you realize you are about to be crushed. Made it back to town for more pancakes. We followed the Core Diet to the letter, spent the day with feet up. I went to bed slightly hungry and happily watching USC put the beat down on Stanford.

The Plan

I went into the race with two primary goals: sub 11 hour race and sub 4 hour run. I wanted to execute the bike and stay mentally sharp the entire ride. I came into the race as healthy and focused and studied as I ever had. Thanks to my wife’s obesity medicine program, I nailed my body comp, having dropped 21 pounds to hit a new low race weight of 175. FTP of 281, 3.6 W/Kg and TRP pace was ~8:30. No injuries. I was finally ready to see what I am capable of at this distance.

Race Day

Woke up at 0330, had the full Core diet prescription. Made me a little queasy but that went away. Suited up, re-read my race plan twice. Valerie walked me down to transition, did all the things, and headed down to the water front. 

Ironman moved away from mass starting this year - the new plan needs some work/practice. They had athletes walking into a large corral by swim wave, but to get to the corral you have a long, narrow, and winding path that is criss crossed by spectators. Stressful. Make sure you get down there early!


The Swim

Goal <1:12, Actual: 1:18:01.

In my prep for the race I had found some swim magic after taking a canoe paddling lesson. Both in the pool and the open water I regularly turned in my fastest times ever. I did four 4k open water swims all 1:05-1:12 or so which is how I decided on my goal pace. I lined up to the left of the ski jump, made my way to the front of the line. Guns go off, heart rate must have been 180. I tore out of there and have a photo of me leading coming out of the gate - per the plan. No real contact the entire swim. No drama. No Dougie Bob. I focused on form and sighted the buoy line like I haver never done before. Came out of the water feeling strong, totally unaware of the time. 

Later I would find out I did not execute, showing no improvement from my training efforts. Aside from swallowing more water, which definitely slowed me at times, I cannot explain the lapse. 

T1: 8min

Not sure how to make T1 faster in Madison. In retrospect, finishing the swim in 1:18, I was exiting with a few hundred racers. The helix, the long run to bags, the long run to bike exit. Not sure how to improve on this, but it was just 1 minute off my goal so I’ll take it.

The Bike

After a long discourse on how to ride this course, I opted against using BBS power course. Of course, the WSMs were correct - even if I had it loaded on my computer, this course requires constant attention ahead of you.

Goal: IF 0.70, TSS 275, VI 1.07. Truthfully, I had no time goals. BBS predicted 5:36

Actual: IF 0.74, TSS 325, VI 1.1, finishing in 6:00

Strava: https://www.strava.com/activities/1178439006

Wow. Holy wow. This course is fun. Crazy fun. Imagine how fun it would be if you did not need to run a marathon afterward! Though I rode hotter than I had wanted to, this ride was the best I could manage. 


Ian Kurth about to pass me

I now believe we spend too much time talking about power and HR management and too little time talking about how to ride around other riders - they are a critical factor IMO. The hills were tough, sure, but having a hundred riders surround you to play Blue Angels - formation riding - is tougher. I had to slow/speed/grind/chill numerous times because of another rider’s decision. Your confidence to blaze down a hill changes dramatically when other riders decide to get up out of aero half way down, creating a much less predictable trajectory.

Barlow. Even if I had not been buttressed by slow, weaving, teeter tottering riders and the screaming crowds on the sideline, I would have had to stand up to get up that hill. Running a 28 in the cassette I still hit 640 watts, with a 1 minute stretch at 410. Yeah, matches burned. Whole box of em. 

My nutrition and hydration were spot on. I took the MR route, adjusting it a bit higher for my extra 30lbs. Peed three times on the bike and once in T2, but the pee did not come easy. Its true there are many downhills here that allow one to assume the position, but they are pretty fast, on rough farming roads, surrounded by the Blue Angels. I could not “open up” until around mile 53. Very uncomfortable - drinking fluids with a full bladder is a tough negotiation. I lost a lot of speed standing up on 3 or 4 downhills for about 10 miles as a result. No doubt faster than stopping at a porto. Once relieved, I got back to work.


Need a porto!

My Ventum seat issues returned on the second lap. The seat post clamp is just not strong enough when I have the seat fully forward and riding on bumpy cow roads. Spent 50 miles sliding off the nose, but I did not stop to fix it like I did in IMAZ:


Not how I set this before the race

It was not until around mile 60 that the course opened up and I could focus on my targets in earnest. I found a crew of 4-5 guys who I rode with for the back stretch. I raced them with all of my EN education, which felt really good. Watched them all crush me on the uphills, the coast the down hills when I took them again. Classic. 

90 miles in I saw the time of day and knew I would not get off the bike in time for a <11 hour race. The negativity crept in. I didn't know if it was the swim or bike that put me in T2 late (it was both!), but it was disappointing. I remembered Coach P stating that most people leave speed on the course near the end, so I sped up, passed about 10 riders in the last 10 miles and felt better.

T2: Frederick the Great greeted me in T2. What a fantastic gentleman he is - we were so lucky to have him as our guide to Madison. He provided me a major boost just by being there, not to mention some advice. Many thanks. 

The Run

Goal <4hr, Actual: 3:52!

Strava: https://www.strava.com/activities/1178430084

Coming out of T2, the very first step I felt a sharp pain in the right calf. I didn't know what it was but I was sure it was not a cramp. Not extreme pain, but enough to grab my attention every stride. I figured it was a muscle strain or something, planned to “walk it off” so to speak. After the first mile the pain was enough make me think a DNF was likely, partly a carry over from the negativity that crept in on the bike. But my time was sub-8 and the HR was low (138). Tasty. So I decided to go 3 miles and see what happened. 


Camp Randall stadium - so cool for this old football player.

Camp Randall helped me forgot about the calf. At mile 4 I was hovering around 8min pace. I was following Coach P’s nutrition advice (gel every 2 miles, gatorade every station). No problem, stomach was playing along. I resolved to run at least a half mary - without a time goal or expectation. Walked up observatory hill, ran down it fast. Got to see Ian Kurth around here, he looked very solid as expected. One mile after another at TRP went by without much change. My wife Valerie appeared at mile 12. I told her about my calf. She asked, “what it is your plan?” I did not have an answer. I looked at my time. I was coming in at around 1:50 at the 13.1 mark. WTF? Is this really happening? “I am going for it!” I responded. She was not pleased, so I dropped her (sorry!) 

I hit the turn in 1:53. I grabbed my caffeinated gels from SN, took some Tylenol and hit the road with my sights on a sub-4 marathon. I decided to elevate my HR to 150ish. Why? HTFU! Time to go. Switched to salt+coke at mile 15. The second lap didn't get hard until mile 21 when the stomach stopped accepting coke and my abds were cramping. The legs were still churning however. I decided to stop taking food/liquids and slow down. Miles 21-24 were tough, but I was running with passion even as I was slowing down. With 2 miles to go I had at least 25 minutes! I was hitting 10 min miles, so plenty of time if I could just keep running. Of course, this is IMWI, so the finish is up a friggin hill. I see Frederick who is taking pictures. I was out of it. Tried to flash the EN sign. Took me 3 tries to get it right. 


As I made the last right turn around the capitol building I catch a glimpse of Ian Kurth just outside the chute. Ian is walking. This does not compute - Ian passed me 4 miles into the bike and I didn't see him again until the run, when he easily was 5 miles ahead of me. I have in my sights one of my EN idols. Ian, whose Strava feed I have studied for a year and is literally the stuff of legend. Ian, triathlon’s version of Captain America who has a short film produced by Ironman no less. Ian, the guy married to the heroic woman who along with the most beautiful family in Wisconsin cheered me up the entire course. Permafit himself! On his home court! 

I didn't know what to do. Do I take him down or should I stop, make sure he is okay, throw his arm over my shoulder and make sure he can get across the line like Alister Brownlee? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2016/sep/19/alistair-brownlee-gives-chance-win-helps-brother-jonny-video

Just as I am closing on him, Ian starts to walk with purpose onto the carpet in the chute. He was getting a final wind. If he starts jogging, he beats me easily. I had to make a decision. 

At that moment, Dougie Bob returned I am sorry to say.

I pipped Ian Kurth at the line.

Like Rudy Ruettiger getting past Deon Sanders into the end zone. In reality I later learned Neon Deon was battling nausea and lost 18lbs on the day. 

I know this makes me an awful SoB. I write this confession in shame. I expect Coach P to pull me from the team for this act, but I had this one chance to take down a Goliath who beats me 99.99% of all races. This was my 0.01%. I took it along with my sub-4 hour marathon.

Then I pipped a woman who appeared to be giving a long Oscar speech on the carpet for good measure. 


I’m sorry! Its a race!

Results

Final time: 11:26:18

28th/251 AG 

218/2281 OA

EN grabbed the 1st place try team title to boot. #teamen

Post Race

Medal. Chip. Hat and shirt. Photo. I limped out of the finisher area and my wife already has a plan: a short cart ride to the med tent. The diagnosis is made in seconds: Torn gastrocnemius/calf muscle (partial). “Classic weekend warrior injury” he says. I get an ice wrap and I'm sent home limping. I was beaming and shivering. I believe I tore it going up Barlow. The news made the marathon result that much more special. I wanted to go down and drinks beers with Frederick, but as usual, I could not stop shivering and my stomach was not having it. I crushed some mac and cheese, two sips of Spotted Cow, and passed out. Monday I felt much better, probably because I accidentally overdosed on aspirin (do not mix your pills folks!). We enjoyed T3 beer and burgers at Old Fashioned - great spot. 

So many to thank. Valerie and my kids for allowing me the time to scratch this itch. Again to Valerie for getting me to the best body comp I have ever achieved. To my brother Sandy, who brought me to the sport originally and finished this race despite major GI distress. Dr. Alex who bandaged me up in the med tent. @Coach Patrick for the honest advice and education. @Mike Roberts, @tim cronk and @Al Truscott for… everything. @Francis Picard, @Paul Hough, @Ian Kurth,  @JeremyBehler, @Shaughn Simmons, @Dave Tallo, @Scott Dinhofer, @Gary Lewis, @Jorge Duque and so many other for the insight and inspiration. This team is amazing.

As I sit here on the plane overlooking Montana flying home, I am contemplating my next move. As much as I love this sport I am considering retirement from the IM distance. It is so hard to do it well. The time commitment is so high. IMWI was IM #4 in 4 years of EN tutelage. I did not capture all of my goals for this race but I failed knowing that I had done the best I could the entire race, and in that I am happy. The run was a very special win for me. I could walk away from IM very happy. We will see.

DS

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  • Like a boss - always! Congrats homie 

  • Great report and great race. All you need now is to rest that calf, do some serious drinking and eating, and throw away any retirement ideas. You can only retire after you qualify to Kona... everyone knows that.

    You are a great source of inspiration for the entire team. 
  • Great race report Doug, one of the best I've read.  Loved the way you told the story; pictures were excellent

    IMWI is an awfully-tough course: going sub-11 there is an aggressive goal so don't feel bad about not hitting it; but getting sub-4 on the marathon there is huge, especially after that TSS score from the bike
  • Great report DS, I was tracking all day and was always a great moment of my day to receive an update from the IM tracking app.

    You can now call yourself a runner !! =)

    You can't retire, we need to race again together !!

    Well done and rest well
  • DS,

    Loved the race report.  Huge congrats on a big breakthrough race.  I was tracking all day with a huge grin as the run splits continued to come in.  When I heard they were doing wave starts, I pretty much agreed I'll avoid this one like the plague until they change it.  If you're not in the first wave or two, then you spend too much time weaving through traffic on both the swim and bike.  And like you experienced, that bike course is not an easy one to sling-shot by slower bikers in front of you.  The swim course is always slow by a few minutes.  If the waves were really 300-400 each, then you could easily get sucked into a slow/crooked pack if you weren't one of the first off the front of the first wave.

    As we discussed at length before the race, I suspected that was going to be a tough course for you to break 6 hours and keep the TSS down.  That said, I don't think all 325 TSS rides are equal.  Moo's steep uphill sections requiring matches are pretty short, and some of the downhills requiring coasting are somewhat longer.  So, the "real" TSS may have been a little lower, but probably not by much.  To really compete on a course like that, of course, the FTP has to go up, the KGs have to come down, and you've got to improve your overall bike skills.  Ian is the same weight as you, pushed lower watts, and got you by 25 minutes.  Of course, he is a top 1% bike rider (and was my EN hero long before yours).  

    Regardless of what the real damage was from the ride, we can all agree that it was huge.  Which means you had no business running but a few miles, then walking deep into the evening.  With a torn calf on top of it, I would have been a run-DNS.  Going 3:52 on that pretty tough run course under those circumstances is simply spectacular.  And, seriously, 3:52 is a much bigger deal than going sub-4 with a 3:59.  I don't have any explanation other than you were obviously super-fit and off-the-charts mentally tough.  You also clearly fueled properly and executed the run like a pro.  Looking back a few years ago when you were frustrated by your results, it's fun sitting here today talking about your 28th AG finish at one of the tougher, more competitive races on the entire circuit.  Congrats again.

    Having retired from this distance more times than I can count, I look forward to your upcoming un-retirement party.

    MR
  • Oh, about your double-pip at the finish: although we could start a heated debate about when it's appropriate and when it may not be so cool, there is 100% consensus that it's always awesome to do it to cheating fraud who's showboating on the carpet.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJo_aN4Eg2M&nbsp;
  • Doug it was great to follow along at home on IM and FB.  You had a great race with an amazing finish.  Excited for you and the great run finish to cap off an extremely tough race.  I have finish line video to go with the picture but I don't see a way of posting it here.

    I was following along at home on the weight loss, but didn't see any updates recently.  Amazed that you were able to lose 21 lbs.  I think Valerie needs to put together an online program for the rest of us ENers.

    Interesting that you rode at a higher IF and were slower than the BBS prediction.

    We all know that you never ask the QB about retirement right after the big game. Take the off season to rest, rejuvenate and heal up.  I'm buying the beer at IMLP2018, so you have to be there.  :-)




  • Doug, first of all congratulations! I love your report; so funny; so insightful and very smart about the whole thing. I am not a psychologist but if I were, I would say that you are having a post race multiple personality syndrome and a bi-polar post race depression AND what ever the opposite it! I am willing to bet you a lot of beer that you will soon announce another IM registration! Most of us have been there MULTIPLE times! It is clear that your Barlow hill injury had a huge impact and you have the capabilities for KQ. The lost of weight is huge and I believe it takes a couple of seasons to fully enjoy the benefits. This race is so tough and it takes everything out of us. Enjoy a full month of rest; regain points with the family; watch your eating to maintain the racing line and and don't make big decision until then!
  • edited September 13, 2017 8:52PM
    @Doug Sutherland

    Just to summarize, you did very very well!

    I have done 8 different IM races including IMWI, IMLP and IMMT.......IMO, IMWI is likely the most technical and most difficult bike course on the circuit.  To pick that race and put a stretch goal out there like sub - 11 is no less than BOLD.  

    A .74 and 1.1 V.I. shows you worked that course.  Maybe not a smooth as you wanted, but you definitely gave a tough bike course a good shot in my view.  I too understand the difference between believing in the theory of riding within your box an actually realizing that on the course.

    You mentioned also how difficult it was to race while trying to ride around other riders.....

    My answer to these points is that you get faster the more you race because racing frequently allows you to practice and refine those items under the pressure of a race setting vs. one or two race rehearsals (in my case which has to be squeezed in with my all consuming day job).  

    I think that once you have a week or two to step back and get more perspective you will find you did a fantastic job out there bringing it all together with a 3:52 run and a sub 11:30 performance on a very legitimate course.

    Get those injuries healed up quick Ironman!

    Congratulations!

    SS

  • Doug,  Let me summarize, BBS was wrong (input numbers and conditions maybe?) , you rode the watts you knew you could (even the high end) , ignored a silly TSS number (you know its impossible to have a marathon PR with a TSS over 300 right?)  , and then followed it up with a best run ever, all this with an injury = BAMF    Piping Ian, or anyone else, for what ever reason, right up to the last second, is perfectly OK in my book... As you said its racing.... I been passed in the chute at IMTX by Robin Sarner,  I been passed by Juan, and Turby in KONA (they both felt so bad I had to tell them GO).... On that day they were all better than I and deserved it... So feel bad for Ian having a bad day but don't feel bad about the outcome... I have had that issue with my Ventum seat as well , will make sure to tighten it before my next race...  I dont think your done with the Ironman game quite yet but if you are there is plenty other cool stuff to do!  Nice Race !
  • So sorry to have missed you Doug at the IMWI dinner. Sounds like you went deep into the pain cave, especially on the run and are now assessing all the costs/benefits. It also sounds like you've made a huge investment in this sport over the past 4 years so that should be a variable to consider as well when contemplating future endeavors.  Would love to keep following and learning from you. Whatever you decide, know that there is always something new to learn and to improve on in this sport all within the context of our life situation and at the end of the day, if it makes us better husbands and fathers (and in my case grandfathers), then it is definitely worth it.
  • Great race and report!  Might I suggest you peruse the below list for some ideas on what's next.  There are many venues to use your fitness to do epic shit.

    https://endurancenation.vanillacommunities.com/discussion/23200/master-list-of-epic-races
  • ...The legs were still churning however. I decided to stop taking food/liquids and slow down. Miles 21-24 were tough, but I was running with passion even as I was slowing down....

    I’m sorry! Its a race!

    ...I did not capture all of my goals for this race but I failed knowing that I had done the best I could the entire race, and in that I am happy. The run was a very special win for me. I could walk away from IM very happy. We will see....

    If that was a failure, than ol' Nobel winning Bob was right..."there's no success like failure..." And your race is a prime example of Mind Over Matter - "If you don't mind, it don't matter." Talking about you legs in the third-person is a tell-tale sign of that.

    Very, very impressive total package - years of persistent effort and improvement, learning all the chess moves and jig-saw pieces, training diligently and properly so you can put them all together on race day, and then delivering in Technicolor. Great job.

    Whether you race Ironman again or not is immaterial. You have vaulted yourself up a level on your athletic career, and that will stand you in great stead no matter where you go from here.
  • Great report! Congrats on your race, especially the great run while injured on a tough course! 
  • @Doug Sutherland 

    Great report, and even better race!  Congrats man, you have much to be proud of with this effort.  I have to admit, while in my stuporous meandering to the finish line, when I saw your red blur overtaking my 6 out of the corner of my eye, I mustered a grin and said a silent "attaboy" to myself.  You totally deserved to take the line, and I am very glad you did.  Rest assured, if the table was turned, I would have no hesitation to return the favor to you, or any other competitor in the race, teammate or otherwise.  That is what racing assassins do, and you should feel nothing but pride and satisfaction with your performance.  Good on you man.

    If you do decide to hang it up after this race, you can rest well that you executed a tough, gritty performance and left it all out on the course.  However, I suspect that given the tincture of time and the opportunity to reflect on your training and racing accomplishments that manifested at IMWI, I wouldn't be surprised to see you again at another Ironman venue in the future.  Either way, it was great to meet you, and again, congratulations on terrific result!

    Ian


  • Wow!  Congrats Doug!  Awesome day and awesome report!

    I *may* have been one of the damn weaving riders last year at IMOO.  Not strong enough to ride it straight up, not smart enough to walk it.  Stupid bike ego.  :wink:  I luckily did not tear my calf in my weaving effort.  That run after THAT bike with an injury???  Holy crap.  Fantastic.  

    I'll echo above the sentiments on retiring.  Recover hard, enjoy the glow of a great day on a tough course and soon enough you'll know if you are really retired or not.  Either way, you crushed it!  
  • I often try to explain the value of EN to friends and family, the concept of an online team. It is not always so easy to do. If I could just copy/paste this thread it would explain it all. Great advice from great teammates. Thank you very much for all of this engagement. It is the reason primary reason I suspect most of us keep coming back.

    Looking back on it, I am in the same spot as @Francis Picard in the water (well, he is a shit ton faster than I, but we both have race OWS issues). I had focused on technique 2017 going through the @Mike Roberts swim plan, so that is frustrating. About the only thing I didnt do was raise my stroke rate significantly. Re: the bike, @Shaughn Simmons is totally correct - I only raced once all year in 2017, so IMWI was both a shake out and AAA race, which predictably left some rust. While I have some power available to me, I admit I am a weak cyclist when it comes to actually riding with others. So it seems racing more is logical. But getting out of the water sooner would also set up a better bike situation. 

    The run has left he totally surprised still, but I suspect I could shave a few more minutes there without a torn calf, on the same frame/fitness, which puts me into a catagory I am intrigued to join, and like @Ian Kurth I am curious if I could get closer to 3:30.

    @Trish Marshall Dude, I was one of the Blue Angles, for sure! I certainly was not darting up that thing. I admit I got skert and starting hammering, but only because I have fell-straight-over before (love ya StG 70.3!). Didnt want to be the first domino to go!

    @Gary Lewis I updated the blog on her site. The Rainier plan works. I woke up at 173.8 today - thats a new low despite having logged only 50 minutes of cardio in the last 10 days. Staying on the plan because the stomach is primed for it and the food is good. I am looking at 165 as a possibility in the future. However, I am also hitting the weights. I need some definition up there.

    @Jorge Duque So much for retirement! After talking to you I signed up for Ironman Boulder in 2018. Plan to race more next year, not less. I am considered a revenge situation in St George (or Galveston), hitting the local circuit, and possibly IMAZ or IMCOZ to finish the year. 
  • Was a long retirement eh ? ;p
  • @Doug Sutherland - some people call that "Moving Forward!"  Glad to hear where you have landed!

    Look forward to racing with you in at Boulder 2018!

    SS
  • Was a long retirement eh ? ;p
    10 days. Longest retirement thus far!
  • edited October 9, 2017 3:36PM
    Incredibly tardy but incredibly appropriate congratulation Dougie Bob.   You made the most of your day and you had goals to accomplish.   Don't feel bad about pipping that poor woman or passing the machine @Ian Kurth (and I disagree...he is a machine...no mortal man could do what he does) in the final stretch.   I always enjoy your reports as they have insight/analysis but also a good balance of humor and self deprecation. 

    What's next...NOS or DOS?
  • Incredibly tardy but incredibly appropriate congratulation Dougie Bob.   You made the most of your day and you had goals to accomplish.   Don't feel bad about pipping that poor woman or passing the machine @Ian Kurth (and I disagree...he is a machine...no mortal man could do what he does) in the final stretch.   I always enjoy your reports as they have insight/analysis but also a good balance of humor and self deprecation. 

    What's next...NOS or DOS?

    Thanks JB. I am up for IM Boulder in 6/2018, so NOS would be better, but I am planning a move 12/1 into a new house, and I am nursing a mini-ankle sprain, so probably JOS for me. For now, I am just trying to work off the cheese curds and spotted cow !
  • and possibly IMAZ or IMCOZ to finish the year. 
    IMCOZ! I would love to do that race and would sign up for next year if you do. 
  • @Satish Punna
    Sandy (tri brother) and another family member said they want to do IMAZ in 2018. We shall see. I think I can get a spot ecause of the AWA status, not sure if they will be able to though. And of course their commitment to these races correlates strongly to the number of days from the race ;) I would rather do COZ. We will see if they actually sign up for AZ and do it. I plan to be flexible though and will let you know as I do.
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