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JOS 2018 Bike Week 3 - Living without Limits

A paraphrase of Chrissy Wellington's 1st book.

Here we begin week 3, everyone getting used to the OS. The title of this thread does describe what we are doing continually in the OS. Every trainer ride, every run is the same theme, finding our limits and doing hard work at those levels and beyond. The key here is not just the physical work, but the mental challenge of learning to find your limits, or do an interval that you thought you couldn't.

We all place limits on ourselves, or allow others to do it for us. You Can't, I can't, that's not possible. How many times have we read a thread or started an interval we found difficult to get our arms around, but managed to find the mental fortitude to push through? The OS is as much about the mental training of disciplined execution as it is the physical work... Ride on!

Rule 6 - Free your mind & your leg's will follow!

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  • Trying to follow Rule # 6, with Dinhofer and Daughter on Upper Reidar's, SNowmass, one of my favorite ski runs on the planet. 8" new snow, 10F, gotta keep going to stay warm...

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  • Trying to follow Rule # 6, with Dinhofer and Daughter on Upper Reidar's, SNowmass, one of my favorite ski runs on the planet. 8" new snow, 10F, gotta keep going to stay warm...

    https://youtu.be/VOp_9oTv2JQ
  • Ok - exactly one week ago, the cold began. I suffered through Monday, then put in a pathetic Tuesday bike workout and then entered the "how can I feel so bad and not die?" mode.

    I came out of the fog yesterday and put in a very marginal bike workout and followed up today with a walk vs run workout.  

    Now that I am well on the road to recovery (my wife is now sick), I'm ready for week three! 

    @Trish Marshall - understand completely. Your posts described how I felt 100%
    @Ralph Moore - sorry to hear about the a-Fib issue. It's not he first time I've heard of it in top endurance athletes and I need to learn more
  • @Joe Hallatschek oh boo!  I hope Robin feels better soon!  Glad you are on the mend.  I managed a couple bike workouts over the weekend and a very brief trot on the treadmill.  Looking forward to a day to recover tomorrow.  

    I just finished uploading the OS to training peaks.  It never fails to scare the sh*t out of me in the later weeks!!! 
  • @Joe Hallatschek thanks for considering me in the same breath as “top endurance athletes” you are my true blue friend for that. Overall, it just means I am back to the short course races where I started. You coming to BRC this year?

    @Trish Marshall you can’t fool me, you ain’t afraid of nothin. ‘Specially not some training plan.
  • Just starting to get that “my legs hurt when I walk up stairs” that is the true sign of the outseason being in full swing.
  • Closed out the week with some quality Sat / Sun bike work:

    Sat bike FTP work on Zwift: https://www.strava.com/activities/1366451557

    Sun ABP work leveraging the Zwift Bambino ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/1368628009

    Good luck this week all!

    SS
  •  Nice skiing!  My family will be in CO President's Day week skiing Vail/Beaver Creek. 
    Pleased to finish up last week with solid riding. I managed to hold on to the Saturday ride by inserting the Zwift ODivaZ ladies race in the middle. I hit my highest 5 minute power of 200W during that race. Looking forward to more hard work on the bike this week. 
  • Today's VO2 intervals on the edge of Spar Gulch, Aspen Mountain. With @Scott Dinhofer:

    https://youtu.be/6emDPkoJfSw


  • Got in the FTP intervals as 3x8' at IFs of 1.02, 1.03, 1.02, respectively followed by a short brick in the rain.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1370723908

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1370744473

    Great fun! 


  • edited January 23, 2018 12:40PM
    Wow.  I was actually thinking I’m enjoying the out season. Until this morning’s 3x8s.   These were not my best moments.  Perhaps trying to do them while participating in a conf call with Australia, UAE and London was not the best idea.  Alas, this one is in the book.  Bring on tomorrow and hopefully a run later today. https://www.strava.com/activities/1371077770


  • So today's ride was not good.  I couldn't keep basic power and I suspect its because I played with my trainer's settings in Zwift to see what would happen if I disagreed down the trainer responsiveness to terrain change... ooops, it was like a mad game of chase just to hold 100w! 

    So question to my fellow OSers... looking at the data in Training Peaks, it gives CTL, ATL. form etc.  I've actually never really noticed tgese before so not sure if these metrics came out in the last 3-4 years since I've been"on a break from triathlon". 

    I have a feeling these aren't good numbers,  correct?  
  • edited January 23, 2018 1:53PM
    @Jenniferlyn Kryvicky The rough rule of thumb I've seen is to have ramp rates of 5-8 CTL per week, and that should keep you around a form of -15 to -25 .I've found that metric to generally work for me, and when i get to form -30 or less is when i start to feel really bad. Looking back to IM training 2 years ago, I hit a form of -56 after the first big race rehearsal weekend and that definitely took a few days to shake off. Anyway, I think this may be confirming what your body is already telling you...take a break, hit the recovery hard, and ease in a little more???

    Lots of good articles on the training peaks site, worth poking through!
  • @Jenniferlyn Kryvicky

    First, just damn fine work jumping in, figuring things out, getting work done, etc.

    It is normal to see a large negative TSB in the early days/weeks as you begin to throw down work.  That will level out as your 42 day average (what training peaks uses to calc the CTL,ATL, & TSB) and your fitness comes up to par.

    I believe you will also test and set the baseline in week 4 or 5 of the OS.  From there forward, all numbers will compare to the new baseline which should also normalize the TSB.

    As @Carole Harbison wisely advises, always best to rest more when in doubt.  Rest/recovery is where we actually get stronger and absorb the work.

    SS
  • edited January 23, 2018 3:50PM

    Thank you so so much @Carole Harbison and @Shaughn Simmons!!  I'm training by data not ego this year so I want to understand what this data means. I will for sure dig through the articles on TP to learn more! 

    I saw such a large negative number and was like... crap.  My HR recovers just fine after the workouts and I am really focusing on rest and recovery - massages, yoga, foam rolling, saunas, etc. -  so I was worried that maybe I was somehow overdoing it even though I have been feeling an RPE of around Z2/Z3 for most of my efforts -  Part of me also wondered if it was because I went from 0 activities in TP to all of a sudden training near daily, so TP was thinking I was killing myself because I have not been logging in there for years lol! 


    EDITED:  I just looked at the data and my HR was a SOLID Z2 for me - which tells me this cluster eff of a ride was all due to user error! live and learn.  I couldn't get up to power on an 8% incline at 90RPM - that tells me something was off in the system. I switched a setting in the program this morning to "see what would happen" and I guess I now see what happened lol! 


    https://www.strava.com/activities/1371340239



  • hello!

    Yesterday did the FTP interval ride and felt a lot more powerful than I would had thought considering I ran the day before a half marathon in 1h38.

    After my wkout I went back to my last 3 weeks and see how avg power was evolving in the last 3 weeks and here it is:

    week 1: 255w
    week 2: 257w
    week 3: 263w (yesterday)

    Its nice to see the progression.

    I am still waiting to receive my HRM to see how I do on the HR point of view during the vo2, its been back ordered since 2 weeks.

  • Apropos to Scott's initial comments (which I did not read till just now) I had bad start but good finish to today's FTP work.  3x12' First interval stopped at 7 minutes @1.02.  Just gave up and started with the self talk of I  just don't have it today, yada yada yada. Did the 4' recovery and decided today try again.  Just thought about keeping the RPMs steady 90-92 and get into the music.  Get to halfway; then to two minutes left. completed the last two 12' intervals @ .98 and .99.  Wasn't easy. It was as hard mentally as physically.   I need to keep working on both.
  • @Robert Sabo
    @Francis Picard

    HUGE work men!  Just very motivating!  Thanks for posting and keep leading!

    SS
  • completed the last two 12' intervals @ .98 and .99.  Wasn't easy. It was as hard mentally as physically.   I need to keep working on both.
    @Robert Sabo, sorry for the Newbie question, but when you say .98 and .99, what are you referring to?

  • @Andrew Lustigman Rob is referring to Intensity Factor (IF).  When using a power metre this is the ratio of the normalized power (NP) to your Functional Threshold Power (FTP).  The Tuesday zone 4 intervals are targeted between .95-1.0 of FTP.

    I was also not feeling well on the weekend bagged the bike and run workout.  I also skipped yesterday's swim to try and set up this week.  Happy to see shorter 12' intervals today even though there were three.  I had to remember .95-100 today and got in .99, .99, 1.01.  


  • Worked up one hell of a sweat on this one!!  Had some technology difficulties, but was able to sort it out by 5am

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1371025500
  • Ok guys - FINALLY got my speed on my bike (Cadence still not working), so I at least had a number to watch other than HR for my 8'(3') this morning and worked WAY harder knowing that I had to keep that speed up!  

    After shoveling us out of a foot of snow yesterday, 100 loops pulling my two year old on a sled - walking up the hill for an hour teaching my son how to snowboard, and then shoveling many neighbors' cars out of being stuck this morning - my legs are TOAST!!!

    Feels good!
  • Bike done.

    ERG mode is boring.  Just sayin'.   :p
  • @Andrew Lustigman - In the immortal words of CoachP, "one bad workout does not an OS make."  We all have those days.  Eat, recover, sleep well tonight and slay it tomorrow.

    Rock on, brotha!
  • @"Robert Sabo"  - Thank you for the reminder.  For whatever reason, I usually find that the first FTP interval is the hardest.  Subsequent intervals aren't easy, but the first one leaves me questioning my ability to complete the wko.  Great work.
  • Francis Picard when you say each week is evolving power, are you riding these in ERG mode where you are setting a new power high for the interval each week?  Or are you riding simulation mode and just simply riding harder?  When I built my Tuesdays wko in TP, I didn't think to ramp up my interval power each week (I have it set to mid - high z4).  I ride ERG style Tues/Thurs. 
  • @Jeff Horn I have a dumb trainer so its just the total avg power for all the intervals. I use le Zwift wkouts and it has me do the intervals at 260W but I know this is on the lower end of my zone and I can go up to 272W which is my ftp
  • Did 2 x 10' and 1 x 8' and had pretty decent power ... about the same as Week 3 of last year's OS.  Trying to not get slower
  • I bike indoors with buddies on Tuesdays for the FTP ride. They just do what I do and I teach them the EN way. :smile: One of the guys is an alum of Kona '98 (lottery). It's his insulated workshop/garage and he like it way too cozy. I have an old Powertap indoor cycle that I leave there for these. So it's really hot. No fan. But I test there too so, there you go. Anyway 3X12 at 1.06, 1.02, and 1.03. I think my FTP after the first OS was like 252-254? I am going to blow past that. How awesome is that! 
  • Dinhofer, doing his 7th (of 16) VO2 interval of the day, on Deep Temerity, Aspen Highlands:

    https://youtu.be/hp2U34gyCOg
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