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JanOS 2018 Run Thread – Week 9 – Seeing Results

“I rode like Hell on Wheels in ’95 and ’96 but it only got me second place.  By ’97 I figured out how to run better and won the Ironman World Championship.  Who am I”

Ich bin Thomas Hellriegel


Welcome to Week 9.  By now you are hopefully seeing positive results after eight weeks of consistent running.  But how can you tell if you’re doing better?  Results may show subjectively and/or objectively.  The common signs of steady improvement include these:

  • Running just feels better; a 3-mile TRP run is easier to complete
  • It takes a shorter amount of time to feel “warmed up” and to get into a running groove
  • Your times are faster; what used to be a 10:00 min/mile pace may have dropped to 9:30
  • You’re doing less work for a given pace.  As an example, if a 4-mile run at 9:00 min/mile pace took 75% Z2 and 25% Z3, that could have shifted to 90% Z2 and 10% Z3

These can all be good signs that running is improving.  Are you seeing results?

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Exercise/Drill for The Week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxQkVD0UQNg

This week’s exercise is about mobility; specifically, spine mobility.  Foam rolling is an awesome way to keep your spine aligned so you can move in the right directions without issues.  This video shows several good moves that focus on mobilizing your thoracic spine

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  • Last two weeks I have logged 40+ miles / week.  RDB in progress.

    Monday run: https://www.strava.com/activities/1438215568
    Lunch run today: https://www.strava.com/activities/1439407957

    KMF all!
  • Run is feeling very consistent and great!  My weekly run mileage is up to where I was in the run up to my last HIM, so really looking forward to how this will translate into the "in season" performance.

    Today's run wasn't really noteworthy, but another brick in the wall!

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1438944230

  • @JoJo Thirasilpa  - good stead run.  Given your work on the bike, this is a great run!

  • Tomorrow I get to do a 30' run/walk in week 1 of the Run Re-Entry Protocol.  This is like "cross-training" for recovery from the bike!  

    Congratulations to those of you still knocking out this Run portion of the OS!
  • @Joe Hallatschek Hopefully the re-entry went well.  I'm back on the treadmill.  I was actually thinking of just biking this week then go with both next week.  20' of run/walk or actually walk/run as I really have no goals other than to get 5-8 miles in this week.  
  • I have always kept a workout 'log' but often more as an accountability rather than 'tracking' per se.  Also used mainly for nutrition and sleep results.  So......when I glanced at the EN run tracker, which I have been adding ALL of my runs to, and saw a total of 173.5 miles in the last 9.5 weeks I was blown away - Yay Me!  Thanks to EN for helping me and pushing me to track that data.  

    Total side note - I am READY to get outside!!  Even though the temps here in the North are warm enough to run outside, it is way too icy, even more icy actually now that the temps are warmer.  I'm certain I will blow up on my first run as I'll be so giddy to be outside instead of my dungeon of a pain cave!
  • Got in my run yesterday doing the "Run Re-entry" protocol. I did the 10' walk to start with and then started at 4mph (15'/mi) @0% incline and got to 7mph increasing .1mph/30" till I hit AVHR of 150BPM. Basically the "Maffetone Aerobic Fitness Test" if anyone remembers that.  End result was 9:58/mi at an AVHR of 138, which is Z2 for me.

    @Gordon - I'm approaching my running as cross-training for my bike. Mentally, it helps!

  • Another good running week so far. Tuesday, 5.5 mile run; Wednesday, 10.8 miles run; and Thursday, 5 miles. I'm ready for some less cold weather but not hot and humid...not ready for that yet. Happy running!
  • I think I got a low grade soleus strain after yesterdays run.  Just as everything was feeling great and making good run progress.  Gonna stay off it about a week and see how it does.  Had these before.  So annoying.  
  • @Jeff Horn- sorry to hear about that.  Hope heals quickly. 

    Earning a paycheck got in the way of Thursday's workouts, but felt good on today's threshold run:  1x1miZ4 + 2x0.5miZ4 rest at TRP for a total of 70'.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1445382071

    Vector3s just arrived, so looking forward to see their results on the trainer tomorrow.

  • Crazy question but here it goes-  I walked a ton in the city yesterday with dress shoes (usually really comfortable ones) but today it feels like someone has hit me in the shins with a baseball bat.  Any thoughts? Home remedies to heal the shins (or top of ankles)?  It's a new one for me an semi debilitating.  
  • edited March 10, 2018 8:00PM
    @Patrick Large I was sitting down to check in and read your post, so I will take a stab at it. I encourage others to feel free to contradict me, because I know it is all in the spirit of helping you get well as quickly as possible. You were well before this, so I think you are dealing with DOMS, delayed-onset muscle soreness. Something about what you did stressed that muscle compartment and it is going to take longer than you would like for it to get better. I would guess a week plus/minus. We used to recommend RICED: rest, ice, compression, elevation and drugs. Not anymore. I recommend NICE: no ice, compression and exercise. What's out? 3 things. Rest if you have to, but you want to gently exercise the muscle just short of the point of discomfort. This encourages blood flow to the injured area. Walking, easy running, cycling, swimming are fine, but not if it's painful and won't loosen up. Ice is out. Ice delays activation of the bodies healing process. Drugs are also out. NSAIDS? Also out. Same reasoning. Inflammation is not bad and it keeps us from hurting ourselves and they don't work well anyway for DOMS. Narcotics? I don't have to explain that one any more. (I am waiting to see if opioid-induced hyperalgsia is a thing. Wouldn't surprise me.) So in summary: be patient (right), get on the compression socks and gently exercise as pain allows until this passes. And electromuscular stimulation is also great if you have it.
  •  This is the forth week of Saturday intervals. The first week we had just enough snow to slow me down and make me feel a little discouraged. Second week I was really fast, but it wore me out. Third week was steady, but nothing special. But I felt like some run fitness arrived this week. The first lap of each repeat was just shaking out the carry-over soreness. The second lap is mentally toughest for me. By the third lap the heart is pounding. And the last lap is just about not allowing yourself to slow down and trying to move as much air as possible. Boy, I want the fitness these bring, but man are they uncomfortable. We did it!

    Here is a question. (Just say see above if I missed it.) During the 4 minutes of recovery, is it better to fully rest (stand/walk) and run the repeat say 10 seconds faster, or run/jog to carry over some of the fatigue to the next repeat and possibly be a little slower? I can see it both ways. 
  • @Patrick Large - I second what @Brian Quarton said. Also, if you have "The Stick", I'd use it on the muscle next to the shin bone using light pressure...there should be no pain.

    @Brian Quarton - I do a very easy jog between intervals. If I'm too exhausted or need to get my HR down, then I'll walk for 1-2', then jog. They say this helps recovery by moving out the lactic acid faster than standing still.
  • edited March 11, 2018 3:26PM
    Still very confused with this injury... besides the pain there is swelling (but no bruising). Swelling is at the ankle on the top of the foot. I skated this morning with a bit of pain so I guess running is done for a couple days. Yes skating, as in speed skating :smile:   It feels ok on the bike, so I guess I do what I can.  
  • Hello all! Yes, I am still in the OS, and yes, still building run fitness after my fall foot injury last year.  Pauls input on run fitness are hitting the mark with me!  I am still slow, but less slow that January, so I'll take it.

    Staying injury free is number 1 for me.  I am running outdoors when I'm in FL, and treadmill running here in MI.  I'm heading down to the pain cave shortly even though it is sunny and hospitable out because I am a wussy and really really dislike being cold.  :blush:
  • Had a great run week, got to 27 miles.  Wednesday was a split run.

    Today was supposed to be a longer Quality run, but quality is relative when you're at -37 TSB.  There was more hike than run:

    https://www.strava.com/activities/1447763852
  • @Jeff Horn -- just saw the note about the soleus strain ... with a high negative TSB you've hopefully chosen to rest the running legs for a bit?
  • Crazy question but here it goes-  I walked a ton in the city yesterday with dress shoes (usually really comfortable ones) but today it feels like someone has hit me in the shins with a baseball bat.  Any thoughts? Home remedies to heal the shins (or top of ankles)?  It's a new one for me an semi debilitating.  
    Sounds like an anterior tibialis injury. So, self massage, and toe raises when you are getting better. Had that and tried to run through and I was in run jail for two weeks!
  • Run comeback continues!  Ran two miles off the trainer today on the treadmill and got in a total of 7 miles this week in three runs.  

    Patience is good - this is better than just walking!
  • Another good week of running, likely my last for a while with two weeks of crazy-schedule travel coming up. Ah, JOS, it's been nice knowing ye.

    Third week in a row of doing 5 runs pushing up around 30 total miles per week, which is now defiinitely more than i've ever done before. I've had to stand down on the speedwork for the last two weeks though since my chronic peroneal tendonitis is sending me subtle signs I'm close to overdoing it. I am really hoping to avoid visiting all of you in run jail this year...I've been there, and am sending healing vibes to everyone working through injuries. 

    Relentless recovery...foam rolling EVERY DAY, stretching, massage... still need to work in an active warmup before just setting off running. It's hard for me to make time for it but will probably also help. 
  • Yeah @Paul Curtin it was a twinge I've felt in the past.  This time other calf.  Hurt for about 24hrs.  Then nothing.  Just icing and rolling.  May try for low intensity run later in week after some stretching.  Last long run was split run.  Intensity in run1, trp in run2.  I hadn't done that combo before, so maybe just need to get used to it slowly.  
  • Still very confused with this injury... besides the pain there is swelling (but no bruising). Swelling is at the ankle on the top of the foot. I skated this morning with a bit of pain so I guess running is done for a couple days. Yes skating, as in speed skating :smile:   It feels ok on the bike, so I guess I do what I can.  

    I want to give an update on this one just so the info is on the thread for others.  I went to see my physiotherapist yesterday and it turns out that I have strained my Posterior tibial tendon. The recommendation is rest and ice message 3 times a day for 10 minutes.  As a side note, I trust my physiotherapist 100% and would take any recommendation blindly (not matter how crazy it sounds)  He works with a few Dutch national teams as well as some of then top Kenyan Marathoners (he is in Kenya at least once a month).

    Happy Training-
  • @Patrick Large- Thanks for the update. I want to update my advice to "Do what your physiotherapist says."  :)
  • hey Brian-  that's funny.  It may turn out to be BS, but it's what I'm going with now :)  
  • Run comeback continues!  Ran two miles off the trainer today on the treadmill and got in a total of 7 miles this week in three runs.  

    Patience is good - this is better than just walking!
    @joe Hallatschek   - did not realize I had company in the running recovery world.. we should have our own thread.. I suffered from scheduling issues, but did 2 outdoor runs of 4 and 4.5 miles... I am going to try and run 4 today after a 5 hr epic ride called the "hell of hunterdon"

    next week's goal is to run 2-4 miles per day, 5 days.. 
  • Kudos to all of you guys coming back from injury/recovery - slow is fast!!  You can do it!

    This is the first year I have tracked my mileage and finally passed over the 200 miles running mark - a bit of a boost to my mojo after test week (which I dread - I'm a horrible tester).  ALMOST no ice around these northern parts - so can't wait to get outside.  Although our temps have been nice (yesterday it was 50!) it's still too icy, even on the roads, so still on the tm - run on!
  • Finally got outdoors for a sunny windy long run.  I reconnected with my Work Out hubbies so instead of TH I gabbed! :smiley:  My legs felt great and it was my longest run this season.  So not the volume I've done in past years, but this year is all about being injury free and rebuilding to IMKY.  So far, so good.  
  • Successful week! I increased from 7 miles last week to 8.5 this week in three runs. Next week, it is 10 done in four runs.  Keeping the 10% rule!

    Podiatrist on next Wednesday, so I think I'll put in a 4 miler (run/walk) before so I can pin-point issues better. 
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