To rear disc or not to rear disc...
Hi,
I was very excited this morning when I learned that ENVE finally released a full disc rear wheel as they have been saying for months it would be coming to market. I called ENVE to see if I would have any issues with fitting the wheel in my frame if I elected to purchase (I currently run ENVE 7.8s on my 2017 Cervelo P5). No issues with the fit, so that is good news.
I asked the rep at what speed the aero benefit of the disc wheel is greater than that of the rear 7.8 wheel and the answer was 27 mph. Any speed under 27 mph, ENVE recommends a deeper cross-section, non-disc wheel -- they are obviously partial to what they offer :). While he couldn't speak to the speed tipping point for other brands, the rep felt most age group athletes may be doing themselves a disservice by running a disc if they can't maintain a high speed (i.e, extra rotational weight). This is one person's opinion on the dynamic of disc vs non-disc and there may be other considerations to factor. That said, I'm a decent cyclist, but I don't hold 27 mph routinely on the flats, nor am I at the pointy end of my age group in IMs.
I was exploring a rear disc wheel as IMAZ is a target of mine for 2019 and believe it is a course potentially good for using a disc (or wheel cover) if available. For those members who have raced it and the WSMs who have not, is the potential "cost" of riding up the Beeline Hwy worth it with a disc wheel for the benefit of the long descent back into town? I understand there are numerous scenarios here, but in general, what do you all think? Have you found yourself faster on disc wheels, is IMAZ a good course for those?
(I went back through the forum archives and it appears it has been a few years since this has been discussed)
Thanks... jp
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IMO...Go disc or go home! ;-)
I would imagine a wheel-covered disc would be lighter than a full disc. I don't know for sure though.
@Scott Alexander I'm not sure if I would get a cover to put over my 7.8s given they are already ~80mm deep.
I've always used a disc cover at IM AZ. The grade on Beeline is 2-4% max. My results have been 2, 1, 1, 6, 1 in my AG there. The wheel cover does not add that much weight compared to the deep-dish wheel I already have - it's just two very thin pieces of flexible plastic. (I've never tried it without the cover)
Granted this is self-serving data from Wheelbuilder.com, but: http://www.wheelbuilder.com/pages.php?pageid=46http://www.wheelbuilder.com/pages.php?pageid=46
wheelcover should be able to fit any non-disc wheel.
deep profile wheel with a wheelcover has to way much less than a full disc and of course this now has me thinking about selling my Zipp disc and getting a cover for my 808...
Also makes me think about trading my zipp 404/ 808 for Enve wheels.
I've had a rear 808 for years, with a wheel cover.
I just got some new 808 FCs with my new bike and I will undoubtedly get a wheel cover for them as well.
We are probably talking seconds here. The question you did not ask the rep was yaw? I ride my Flo Disc all the time (unless not allowed KONA/COZ) and my very unscientific thought is that it really excels in cross winds. The other question would be is it detrimental to your performance below 27mph? I got my disc because I hated putting a disc cover on and off and would just leave it on anyway. Again , seconds and hard to prove seconds at that.
Thanks @tim cronk I did talk to ENVE about cross winds -- their perspective was that in general (that is an important point) an open deep section rear wheel starts to behave like a sail and can help push the bike forward whereas a disc wheel in a similar cross wind will not have that benefit. I'm not sure it's detrimental to performance other than a heavier rotating weight (in ENVE's case, 578 g for 7.8 rear wheel before spokes and cassette vs 1,225 g for disc). But as you say, probably only seconds, but you do get that nice "whomp whomp whomp". :)
@Scott Alexander , did you use Wheelbuilder?
@Jeff Phillips , yes sir!
For those that may be interested, I found the below:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/enve-finally-launches-disc-tt-rear-wheel/