I got in contact with the property owner @Sheila Leard connected me with. The owner wasn't super responsive and the property was kind of expensive. Therefore, I booked the Alpine Perch. I stayed here in 2017 with 8 people, and it was plenty comfortable. It's a nice place, especially for Leadville, and a short walk to downtown. My memory is you can see the start/finish of the Leadville 100 from the deck. I booked it June 21-25.
Thanks @tim cronk! Yes, it's 4 nights. We'd check in the afternoon of June 21 and check out the morning of June 25. From the camp schedule, it looks like we do a night run on the 24th, so I figured we'd want to stay that night.
Leadville Run Camp - I read through it oh maybe 20 times last year and another 20 times this year and knew it was a no brainer, but today I really looked at the itinerary and correlated it to the map... Wow brilliantly planned IMO, covers the entire course, mostly in order, as close to the times we will be on it on race day, goes over Hope Pass both directions , and cumulates with the last 15 miles of the course at night... Get training it aint gonna be an easy camp.
@tim cronk I've heard good things about the Run Camp. Even athletes who've completed the Run 100 multiple times do it to get ready for the race. Marvin told me he thinks it's excellent prep and a good deal compared to the MTB Camp. It's going to be a hoot!
I started an EN Does Leadville club on Strava. Figured it would be an easy way to check in on what others are doing. I've invited Gabe and Tim C. but I can't find @Scott Giljum or @Tim Sullivan as I don't yet follow you guys on Strava. Send me your strava info and I'll send you the invite. Or follow me on Strava (https://www.strava.com/athletes/608765) and I'll add you and send the invite.
If I missed anyone else, let me know and I'll add them too.
Tim, probably not. I'll go with the strategy of arriving right before the race. I'll be coming from sea level, so I'm looking at the Run Camp to see how I respond. It wasn't bad coming from SLC at nearly 5,000ft. Should be interesting to see how I feel coming from sea level.
I don’t think I can get that much time off @tim cronk unfortunately. I’m probably rolling in as close to race as I can allow. If camp goes poorly I will likely reevaluate.
Same here, I'm planning a last minute arrival unless camp goes really poorly.
On that note, I booked flights for camp. I arrive in Denver at ~noon on Friday and depart from Denver at 5:30 PM on Tuesday. I'm not sure if I'm going to rent a car or try to find a shuttle. If anyone else's flights line up maybe we can split a car.
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@tim cronk@Gabe Peterson@Scott Giljum@Tim Sullivan Is this the best place to share travel arrangements for camp or is it easier to use Facebook / Strava / Group Me? What do you all think? Mostly I'm wondering if there is potential to share a rental car?
I booked flights arriving at noon on the 21st and departing at 5:30 pm on the 25th. Both out of Denver. I'm loosely considering changing my arrival to late on the 20th and then spending the night in one of the airport hotels.
Has anyone else booked flights? Is anyone interested in sharing a car for the trip?
I would say here is best as this is easier to find than a comment in GroupMe. I haven’t booked anything as I wait to see how my current injury status is resolved. Unfortunately I may be exploring deferral in hopes I might be okay to try again next year.
Wholly crap those Hope Pass segments on STRAVA are steep... Averages are North 15% and Sound 18% with sections exceeding 30%.... I been training on terrain that I thought was probably a bit too steep at 16% average but it looks like its right in line....
Just put together 3 pretty good weeks, 1x speed work in the middle of the week and long back to back days on the weekends. First long day is all run on terrain averaging 150'+ per mile and the second long day is mostly hiking repeats on a local 1200' ski hill jogging down. Since I have some commitments this weekend I moved up the back to back days from sat/sun to thurs/fri and I could really feel that 2 days less recovery from the prior weekend. Good news is I get an extra 2 days till next weekend which is the last weekend before Camp. I plan to do another big weekend but take it really easy after that leading into Camp.
Did you see that they canceled the Hardrock Hundred because of the snow pack? Has anyone seen course reports regarding the snow pack near Leadville or Hope Pass?
This week is a recovery week for me. I also had a pretty good 3 week build ending with a fast 50K. Next week (camp week) is scheduled to be my first ever 70 mile training week, with ~50 of those miles on course and at elevation. I'm still pretty nervous about the elevation thing, but at this point it is what it is.
I'm looking forward to seeing you all and catching up.
I have spent the last week in Leadville. I am out here to pre-ride the 100 MTB course after Al Camp and volunteer at the Heavy Half Marathon. Yesterday, I got to spend some time with the logistics coordinator for the race and camp series. BTW. They hired the race director from IM Boulder.
Snow situation. There is a lot, mostly above 11,500 ft and north facing slopes. There is no snow in town and it is dry. Really beautiful overall. The south facing slopes are clearing fast. The clearing is part evaporation and part run off. The snow pack overall varies depending on the elevation above 11,000+ ft, slope exposure (north facing vs. south facing) and tree density. Early in the morning the ground is pretty hard from the overnight cold, but as the day goes on some fire roads get some mushy sections from run off. The conditions change quickly from day to day. I rode the same climb Mon and Tues. On Tues, the truck tire ruts in the snow bank at at the top of the snowed in turnaround were gone!
They changed the Marathon race course because there is just too much snow on Mosquito Pass. There were crews out with heavy equipment plowing some of the sections just to clear the last of some of the snow banks in the trees. They went through 12 course changes before finalizing the current version. The logistics director believes that 60-70% of the run and bike courses will be available for the camp. But, it will only get better. The weather has been consistently sunny since June 3-4. They are really committed to giving the athletes access to the full course as much as possible. I'll ask about Hope Pass today.
Daily weather. It is still 30-40 degrees in the morning. It was usually 40+, low 50 by 8-9 AM. Lots of sun and wind the rest of the day. High in the 60s. I wore shorts, base layer, jersey, arm warmers and gloves most days to ride. Shorts and long sleeve or fleece walking around town. Sunglasses a must. Lots of sun screen. In California, my sun screen good for 5-7 hours. Here I need to re-apply half way through my 5-6 hour ride, I don't know why but it just seems brighter. I went through a new bottle of it while I was here.
My experience with the altitude. In the past, I have tried to breathe faster or deeper when going harder. Somewhere, along the way I read or heard about focusing on the exhale and the inhale will take care of itself. This has really make the biggest difference for me. A forced, or longer exhale really helped me get a quality breath and made my longer or sustained efforts better. Breathing through my nose more, helped to activate a better deep breathe, breathing with my diaphragm (or deep in the belly) made a big difference. I never notice how "lazy" my breathing was before I started focusing on my exhale and nose to get a better deep belly breath.
Huge thanks @matt limbert for this update! I'm looking forward to news on Hope. Looks like I'll need to bring a jacket for the day-4 night run since it's going to be in the low 30's.
Hope Pass & Winfield update: Lots of snow & avalanche debris. The race organizer folks are working with the forest service to clear a big avalanche mess (downed trees) on the Winfield side. That is the showstopper for Hope Pass day because they can't get the vehicles in there for the aid station. They think a lot of the snow will melt on the other side.
Sugarloaf and Hagerman Pass: They are sending some folks up Sugarloaf. There is still some snowed in sections. They are testing how "hikeable" it is. Sometimes the snow looks passable but there ends up being a lot of water run off under the snow.
Everything else is open. I rode all of the St Kevin's climb on the east side of Turquoise Lake. I rode all of Pipeline and Powerline and Twin Lakes etc. The only trouble spots are Hope Pass/Winfield access and Sugarloaf.
@matt limbert so did your Vo2max go from 80 up to 90? Now that you learned how to breathe? But seriously I wonder if vo2max does go up just by acclimating to altitude? It has to if you are able to process more oxygen right?
@tim cronk I wish it was that easy to get the VO2max number to move! I'll check when I get back on the trainer. I don't have a power meter on my mountain bike, so without the power data WKO4 does not believe I was biking and has skewed my data. But, yes I would expect the VO2max number to go up a bit based on the theory that my body had enough time to adapt - make more red blood cells and temporarily be able to process more oxygen.
@matt limbert thanks for the info on the course conditions. I've been working with Marvin Sandoval the last year, who lives in Leadville and has worked for the race before. He said we won't be able to go over Hope Pass for the Run Camp next week. That's a major bummer because I think most of the value of the Camp is Hope Pass. I wonder what the alternate course would look like if the Winfield side isn't cleared out by race day. It just wouldn't be Leadville without Hope Pass...
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Update on Housing for the Run Camp as of 1/17/19
I got in contact with the property owner @Sheila Leard connected me with. The owner wasn't super responsive and the property was kind of expensive. Therefore, I booked the Alpine Perch. I stayed here in 2017 with 8 people, and it was plenty comfortable. It's a nice place, especially for Leadville, and a short walk to downtown. My memory is you can see the start/finish of the Leadville 100 from the deck. I booked it June 21-25.
@tim cronk, @Scott Giljum, and @Clark Mitchell please send me $300 via PayPal to gabrielpeterson@earthlink.net for your share of the place.
sorry @Gabe Peterson the contact didn't work out. I don't know her. No excuse for lack of promptness. Glad you found a place.
Thanks @tim cronk! Yes, it's 4 nights. We'd check in the afternoon of June 21 and check out the morning of June 25. From the camp schedule, it looks like we do a night run on the 24th, so I figured we'd want to stay that night.
@Gabe Peterson - Done. Thanks again!
Done Gabe. Thanks!
Leadville Run Camp - I read through it oh maybe 20 times last year and another 20 times this year and knew it was a no brainer, but today I really looked at the itinerary and correlated it to the map... Wow brilliantly planned IMO, covers the entire course, mostly in order, as close to the times we will be on it on race day, goes over Hope Pass both directions , and cumulates with the last 15 miles of the course at night... Get training it aint gonna be an easy camp.
@tim cronk I've heard good things about the Run Camp. Even athletes who've completed the Run 100 multiple times do it to get ready for the race. Marvin told me he thinks it's excellent prep and a good deal compared to the MTB Camp. It's going to be a hoot!
I started an EN Does Leadville club on Strava. Figured it would be an easy way to check in on what others are doing. I've invited Gabe and Tim C. but I can't find @Scott Giljum or @Tim Sullivan as I don't yet follow you guys on Strava. Send me your strava info and I'll send you the invite. Or follow me on Strava (https://www.strava.com/athletes/608765) and I'll add you and send the invite.
If I missed anyone else, let me know and I'll add them too.
Clark
Are any of the Leadville runners planning to arrive early to acclimate? @Tim Sullivan @Gabe Peterson @Scott Giljum @Clark Mitchell Did I forget anyone?
race. I'll be coming from sea level, so I'm looking at the Run Camp to see
how I respond. It wasn't bad coming from SLC at nearly 5,000ft. Should be
interesting to see how I feel coming from sea level.
I don’t think I can get that much time off @tim cronk unfortunately. I’m probably rolling in as close to race as I can allow. If camp goes poorly I will likely reevaluate.
On that note, I booked flights for camp. I arrive in Denver at ~noon on Friday and depart from Denver at 5:30 PM on Tuesday. I'm not sure if I'm going to rent a car or try to find a shuttle. If anyone else's flights line up maybe we can split a car.
Clark
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@tim cronk @Gabe Peterson @Scott Giljum @Tim Sullivan Is this the best place to share travel arrangements for camp or is it easier to use Facebook / Strava / Group Me? What do you all think? Mostly I'm wondering if there is potential to share a rental car?
I booked flights arriving at noon on the 21st and departing at 5:30 pm on the 25th. Both out of Denver. I'm loosely considering changing my arrival to late on the 20th and then spending the night in one of the airport hotels.
Has anyone else booked flights? Is anyone interested in sharing a car for the trip?
Clark
I would say here is best as this is easier to find than a comment in GroupMe. I haven’t booked anything as I wait to see how my current injury status is resolved. Unfortunately I may be exploring deferral in hopes I might be okay to try again next year.
Wholly crap those Hope Pass segments on STRAVA are steep... Averages are North 15% and Sound 18% with sections exceeding 30%.... I been training on terrain that I thought was probably a bit too steep at 16% average but it looks like its right in line....
Just put together 3 pretty good weeks, 1x speed work in the middle of the week and long back to back days on the weekends. First long day is all run on terrain averaging 150'+ per mile and the second long day is mostly hiking repeats on a local 1200' ski hill jogging down. Since I have some commitments this weekend I moved up the back to back days from sat/sun to thurs/fri and I could really feel that 2 days less recovery from the prior weekend. Good news is I get an extra 2 days till next weekend which is the last weekend before Camp. I plan to do another big weekend but take it really easy after that leading into Camp.
How's everyone doing?
Yes, Hope Pass is going to be a bitch.
Did you see that they canceled the Hardrock Hundred because of the snow pack? Has anyone seen course reports regarding the snow pack near Leadville or Hope Pass?
This week is a recovery week for me. I also had a pretty good 3 week build ending with a fast 50K. Next week (camp week) is scheduled to be my first ever 70 mile training week, with ~50 of those miles on course and at elevation. I'm still pretty nervous about the elevation thing, but at this point it is what it is.
I'm looking forward to seeing you all and catching up.
Clark
@Clark Mitchell @tim cronk @Gabe Peterson
I have spent the last week in Leadville. I am out here to pre-ride the 100 MTB course after Al Camp and volunteer at the Heavy Half Marathon. Yesterday, I got to spend some time with the logistics coordinator for the race and camp series. BTW. They hired the race director from IM Boulder.
Snow situation. There is a lot, mostly above 11,500 ft and north facing slopes. There is no snow in town and it is dry. Really beautiful overall. The south facing slopes are clearing fast. The clearing is part evaporation and part run off. The snow pack overall varies depending on the elevation above 11,000+ ft, slope exposure (north facing vs. south facing) and tree density. Early in the morning the ground is pretty hard from the overnight cold, but as the day goes on some fire roads get some mushy sections from run off. The conditions change quickly from day to day. I rode the same climb Mon and Tues. On Tues, the truck tire ruts in the snow bank at at the top of the snowed in turnaround were gone!
They changed the Marathon race course because there is just too much snow on Mosquito Pass. There were crews out with heavy equipment plowing some of the sections just to clear the last of some of the snow banks in the trees. They went through 12 course changes before finalizing the current version. The logistics director believes that 60-70% of the run and bike courses will be available for the camp. But, it will only get better. The weather has been consistently sunny since June 3-4. They are really committed to giving the athletes access to the full course as much as possible. I'll ask about Hope Pass today.
Daily weather. It is still 30-40 degrees in the morning. It was usually 40+, low 50 by 8-9 AM. Lots of sun and wind the rest of the day. High in the 60s. I wore shorts, base layer, jersey, arm warmers and gloves most days to ride. Shorts and long sleeve or fleece walking around town. Sunglasses a must. Lots of sun screen. In California, my sun screen good for 5-7 hours. Here I need to re-apply half way through my 5-6 hour ride, I don't know why but it just seems brighter. I went through a new bottle of it while I was here.
My experience with the altitude. In the past, I have tried to breathe faster or deeper when going harder. Somewhere, along the way I read or heard about focusing on the exhale and the inhale will take care of itself. This has really make the biggest difference for me. A forced, or longer exhale really helped me get a quality breath and made my longer or sustained efforts better. Breathing through my nose more, helped to activate a better deep breathe, breathing with my diaphragm (or deep in the belly) made a big difference. I never notice how "lazy" my breathing was before I started focusing on my exhale and nose to get a better deep belly breath.
Huge thanks @matt limbert for this update! I'm looking forward to news on Hope. Looks like I'll need to bring a jacket for the day-4 night run since it's going to be in the low 30's.
@Clark Mitchell @tim cronk @Gabe Peterson
Hope Pass & Winfield update: Lots of snow & avalanche debris. The race organizer folks are working with the forest service to clear a big avalanche mess (downed trees) on the Winfield side. That is the showstopper for Hope Pass day because they can't get the vehicles in there for the aid station. They think a lot of the snow will melt on the other side.
Sugarloaf and Hagerman Pass: They are sending some folks up Sugarloaf. There is still some snowed in sections. They are testing how "hikeable" it is. Sometimes the snow looks passable but there ends up being a lot of water run off under the snow.
Everything else is open. I rode all of the St Kevin's climb on the east side of Turquoise Lake. I rode all of Pipeline and Powerline and Twin Lakes etc. The only trouble spots are Hope Pass/Winfield access and Sugarloaf.
Hope that helps.
@matt limbert so did your Vo2max go from 80 up to 90? Now that you learned how to breathe? But seriously I wonder if vo2max does go up just by acclimating to altitude? It has to if you are able to process more oxygen right?
@tim cronk I wish it was that easy to get the VO2max number to move! I'll check when I get back on the trainer. I don't have a power meter on my mountain bike, so without the power data WKO4 does not believe I was biking and has skewed my data. But, yes I would expect the VO2max number to go up a bit based on the theory that my body had enough time to adapt - make more red blood cells and temporarily be able to process more oxygen.
@matt limbert thanks for the info on the course conditions. I've been working with Marvin Sandoval the last year, who lives in Leadville and has worked for the race before. He said we won't be able to go over Hope Pass for the Run Camp next week. That's a major bummer because I think most of the value of the Camp is Hope Pass. I wonder what the alternate course would look like if the Winfield side isn't cleared out by race day. It just wouldn't be Leadville without Hope Pass...