ALTRED
Hi! For any not familiar with th eproduct, sharing my experience...I started using Altred last year when they offered a charity team I'm on a discount...as an analyst by trade, i picked it apart every way and WANTED to discredit it.
Sadly, or not so, I was not wrong.
in two words, game changer.
I was able to work harder, for longer, with less recovery.
Combo of EN and Altred gave me a 20 minute PR at IMLP last year under ( IMO!) worse conditions than the previous year; day after LP felt like any other day...literally zero recovery.
Since using Altred I begged to becone an ambassador so I could get a discount, its not cheap.
It may be that EN and Altred can work out a team code, until then I have one to offer to all.
Hit me up if you;d like to give it a shot!
Cheers!
Liz
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@Liz Hickox - I don't mean to diminish your personal experience but I am SKEPTICAL about AltRed. Apart from brand ambassadors and anecdotal evidence there is slim evidence that this stuff works any better than a placebo. And you yourself cannot distinguish whether the cause of your improvement was 1) EN, 2) AltRed, 3) another year of training under your belt or some combination of the above.
I've looked at the two studies posted on the AltRed website (that's the sum total universe of clinical research) and they were not convincing.
Study A - just 13 male runners (age 20-30) who run more than "8 miles a week"!. Used Alt Red for one whole week. Then they put them on a treadmill for "submaximal exercise". About 2 hrs later they put them back on the treadmill for a 5k TT but where they could not see their real pace. The average 5K time improvement was 36 seconds. I certainly hope so since the first go was "submaximal". Several control runners without supplementation also improved. Again, I hope so!
Study B - performed by the same lab and funded by the same organization as study A (Vdf FutureCeuticals). ~20 triathletes testing "recovery" also with a study period of just ONE week. Read it yourself...even less convincing.
Neither study compared AltRed to plain old beetroot extract that can be had for much cheaper at any vitamin shop. Sort of like studies on Gatorade versus water instead of the more relevant question is it any better than Powerade? Or maybe compare AltRed to Beet Juice or to Optygen HP?
Like most supps this one has not been reviewed by the FDA. When USADA bans it, then I'll know it is a game changer!
"When USADA bans it, then I'll know it is a game changer!" 😂
Liz your the game changer , you earned your 20’ PR, own that thing. Big congrats BTW.
Well, Thanks Tim! Much appreciated.
I'm a natural doubter of ALL THINGS...and I saw 'research', or, overhwelming lack thereof.
But I also recalled seeing the 'iMac" for the first time and thinking, "this will never fly...."
Smaller start up companies don'thave the funds for extensive research, but soemtimes a blind squirrel finds a nut :)
So, I TRIED it out. ( certainly NOT wanting to love a supplement that cost $50 a bottle.
AND, I FOUND ( again, results may be different for everyone) that I felt less fatigued at points I previously would during long workouts...and less recovery time. A combination of the two allowed ME to work harder, for longer. Beets are a 'thing', they're proven to increase aerobic endurance...Altred has simply found a way to isolate the 'active ingerdient' and package them in a way that doesnt taste like dirt, and has a concentrated effect.
Again, maybe I had extraordibary results...But maybe Andy Potts and thousands of others did as well. Because somehow Ironman decided to endorse the stuff.
But heck, I don't know it all... But I know this helped ME ;)
@Liz Hickox The study behind Altred was done at UC Davis, down the road from me. I know of a few of the athlete they recruited for this study. In the end what was interesting was the "responders' and "non-responders" to a supplement with and without nitrates. Questions not completely answered, were they trained or recreational exercisers. Females vs. males. The study was a very intense TT protocol. http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1139/apnm-2016-0452?download=true&
Beet-It shots is one of the first companies to hit the market. This is a product WITH nitrates. I've actually tried it and it doesn't tastes bad. https://www.beet-it.com/research/
There is no doubt that a diet rich in polyphenols and nitrates is a good thing. The area that I am interested in are the athletes going to altitude and using nitrate rich supplements. Promising. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1089860315300124?via%3Dihub
Sheila, that is interesting!
Its not without question that the study is limited; with incomplete results.
I hope for their sake they are able to dedicate funds for further testing!
Until then, I have to go on the result I HAD...I don't 'work for them'; I'm not paid to endorse them. They give me a meager discount in exchange for sharing MY results.
My only gain is being able to get the product at a discount, and for that I'm willing to put forth a little effort. I really liked the stuff!!! ( as have the 22 people I have since referred since last May! 19 have re-ordered ;) )
As they say, "take what ya like and leave the rest'. :D
Does AltRed NOT have Nitrates? @Sheila Leard
@Robert Sabo
Altred does NOT have plant nitrates, hope this helps!
correct @Robert Sabo Betalains are the pigments in beets, no nitrates. The extract peaks within 3 hours. In the study subjects took 100 mg for six days then 2 hours prior to testing. It seems prudent for endurance to take every three hours, which is what their website says to do. One of the participants told me she did feel an improvement in the 10 k ... but it was on a treadmill which proved to be taxing anyway. Learning curve?
@Sheila Leard thanks! Altred isn't 'just beets'; its the PROCESS of isolating the betalain...Suggested usage is once a day ( if cost allows!) and two hours prior to workout...It 'peaks'; in rwo hours, and last two hours....My only advice? ( besides take as recommended) is to store IN the provided vial. Failure to do so results in carrying 'elsewhere' and the appearance that one got shot after contact with any sweat...lol
So we do know that there is good data that shows (in “responders”) beet/beet juice is helpful in endurance activity. We the proviso that the dose is repeated at intervals throughout the activity. Did those studies determine whether it was the nitrate or the betalain? While I like the taste and f beets and most of the beet products I have tried. I have never tried a repeated dose during training or competition. A small pill would probably easier to tolerate than a can of juice. If it was equally effective.
@Robert Sabo if you like, I'm happy to send you a sample! I'm sure results vary, but there is a reason I go through these motions...and its not because they PAY me! lol
@Liz Hickox - you don't know how you will do without the Altred... also, the people you mentioned as "endorsing" it, Potts & especially Ironman, don't do that without $ changing hands. In the case of IM, it's big $. I know factually from a friend who is a sponsor that they barely break even on IM, it does however sell a huge portion of the rest of their business. Think of how many less "performance" watches Timex would have sold without paying for the licensing...
not discounting the product, as I don't have any knowledge, but I'd go with what @tim cronk said above... The reason YOU performed so well was because of you.. If you did the same training every year, maintained weight and changed to this product and saw the results, then blame 😃 the product... just providing a counterpoint.
@scott dinhofer , I DO know how I do without it...which is solely what I'm basing my claim on. Days I 'forget', i feel fatigued much earlier...I train in FL with a group...who, after several weeks of my own use, ( prior to my being remotely involved with Altred) 6 others tried, and decided to add to their own long workouts...
I did almost exactly the same thing as the year prior..same course..same program...same weight, and a year older! lol...
ALL I can say is, 'beet's are a thing. Their effect is measurable; extensive research and well documented results.
ALTRED is simply 'beet extract' ; its the effective ingredient separated and concentrated into easy to digest capsules.
Its not 'snake oil', and I can say, FOR ME, it makes a big difference.
BECAUSE of that difference, I am ABLE to work out longer, and harder.
and THATS IT!! ;) TRY it for yourself...its so much easier than debating someone else's research.
@Liz Hickox - so what would my $$ outlay for ALTRED be for a traditional 14 week Outseason?
here's where they can put their money where their mouth is : I have 13 or 14 years of Crucible Fitness and EN outseason data, and with that, a LOT of consistent benchmarks of where my #s normally are by week 2 run, week 5 bike, week 8 run, and so forth across each year. And it’s pretty darn close year over year. So a consistent baseline.
Thechallenge: would you, as a brand ambassador, present a challenge to ALTRED? It’s this ... if I take their product and there’s no improvement, they pay the $$$ for my dosage for that block, and we both walk away, no hard feelings. BUT ... if i do see an atypical gain - say, 7-10% improvement over normal benchmarks - I’ll pay full retail, talk to everyone who will listen about the product, and promote the bejeezus out of them. Everywhere. (And trust me ... I’m highly motivated to improve, so there is zero chance of me sandbagging to win the bet.)
how about pitching this to ALTRED?