Sue DeJesus Official Coach Thread
@"sue dejesus" - Great to have you upgrade to the Team!!! I have moved your Coach Guidance here, where we will talk online in between calls / events / etc!
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Your Races
- 07/14/19 Colonial Beach Olympic
- Ironman Chattanooga (2019-09-29) #IMCHOO_19
Season Outline
These are your recommended training plans, including the date you should start each one (sometimes you won’t complete a full plan but transition to another one). You can change your plans on the Final Surge Platform at any time, and you can learn more about each plan on the Training Plan Central Page. If you need to load particular weeks into Final Surge, here’s how you can that without cluttering up the calendar.
- Last updated by Coach on 05/21/2019
- On 5/20/2019 Load the Post Half Iron Transition Plan, All Levels (2wks) to end on 6/2/2019
- On 6/3/2019 Load the Bike Focus Block, 6 Weeks to end on 7/14/2019
- On 7/8/2019 Load the -- EN*Full Bike Focused to end on 9/29/2019
- On 9/30/2019 Load the -- Post Ironman Transition Plan, All Levels (4wks) to end on 10/27/2019
- On 10/28/2019 Load the -- Run Durability for Triathletes 1 (9 months out) -- 4 weeks to end on 11/24/2019
Your Notes
Just raced 70.3 Chattanooga after being sick for 8 weeks over the winter after racing IM World Championship in Kona last October. I came in 3rd in my age group at 6:22:27 and was faster than 1866 others. I switched to run/walk for the last two years and wanted to run more since my run times have slowed over the last two years. I was also told to limit my HR to 128 at my calculated aerobic threshold. My max HR is 168 at my last 5k in March 2019, and my resting HR is 50. So I think I can let it go higher. Since running more I started having shin and ankle aches on my left side. But had no injuries when run/walking. I started having sciatic pain after I instituted an AB workout 3 times a week, so I'm working that out. I'm scheduled to race IM Chatt Sept 28 and the only other race signed up for is a local olympic on 7/14/19. Currently I'm Swimming 2x, biking 3-4x, and running 5-6 times a week, averaging 13-15 hours per week. Long swim 2500yds, long bike 3 hours, long run 3 hours. Last two seasons I averaged 25hours a week with 3-4 swims, 4 bikes, 4-5 runs. Since starting IM training in 2018, my run has slowed considerably. I'm retired now so I can train what I want, when I want. I'm also in school to complete my doctorate in counseling. I'm a very good swimmer, and much weaker on the bike and run.
Your Homework
Tell Me Your Season Goals
- What will make you consider this season a success?
- What's your biggest limiter right now?
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Your First Year Inside Endurance Nation
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@Sue DeJesus
Welcome to your SECOND MONTH inside Endurance Nation!
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Sport Fitness Status: Swim fitness is maintaining with 2x per week. I no longer have big nerve pain when kicking, so progress there. My bike fitness is improving , but I have to be careful of recovery for HIT work. My run fitness due to sciatic nerve pain plus shin/ankle tenderness is getting better, but I'm sure fitness is suffering due to decreased mileage and frequency. Mixing up the running surface as Coach Patrick suggested helped I think! I'm starting a round of anti-inflammatory medication this week to see if that helps the nerve pain, and possible MRI if insurance pays.
My body composition is 2.0 (5'7" & 135-136lbs) .
Biggest improvement? Being able to do more running and less walking, and decreased soreness in my shin/ankle are victories. From the # of hours per week I was training before (17-25hours per week last year), versus what I'm doing now, is both concerning (am I doing enough?) AND a nice break (Whew, I have more time for other things). The type A is more concerned though than relieved!! :)
Support? I'm challenged with finding the location of information that I'm interested in and how to bookmark it once I locate it, keeping up with posts, of knowing if I'm doing enough training for my upcoming races, and just navigating the site, not knowing where the coaching thread was, didn't know where to post my 1,000yd swim time - instructions to put the results in the "training log" which is comments in FinalSurge, right? or on the EN site somewhere?
I am still interested in ultimately being confident in self-coaching with experts close by. So I'm sure I'll get the hang of it eventually!
@Sue DeJesus - Following up with you after our phone call.
Nutrition:
GroupMe...
I added you to the EN 24/7 Group, but you can join here too: https://groupme.com/join_group/29902223/ZOc7UTlz
Ask the team for a saddle recommendation...Or even better, a recommendation for proper shorts that could help?
Homework
Please post pictures of the nutritional content of your infinIT solutions. Would be good to know what it is as well as how much you had in an hour on the bike in a race.
Just did calorie calcuations and by your numbers I should replacing 338 cal/hour for my current 135 weight.
Kona Infinit 298 calories, 516mg sodium, 5g protein per 24oz. I drink 24oz every hour and usually stay on track. Occasionally I get burping toward the end of the bike. Added CoQ10 & amino acids to these Kona mixes. I usually pee 2-3x for the 6+hr ride.
My Kona Run Infinit mix had 251 cal and 525mg sodium. I'm not good with sticking with the run nutrition plan. I super concentrate the mix then before every aid station sip a few oz of concentrate then take water 4-6oz at the aid station. I end up using the course water & Gatorade about half way through.
My IMTX Infinit bike mix was 281 cal with 379mg sodium, 5g protein per 24oz and took that every hour. No other nutrition. Again, mix repeats last hour or two. I carry a tube of base salt with me, but every time I try it, it tastes so salty I assume I have plenty of sodium on board. Same on the run, I carry the base salt, try it at least once part way through the run to check if I need sodium, and it always tastes really terribly salty to me. I was told that if salt doesn't taste good to me that I have enough on board. Is that correct??
IMTX Infinit Run mix was 301cal, 440mg sodium. I carried the powder in 8oz portions and mixed with water at the aid stations. I abandoned the plan as it was a pain to mix. I ended up using the course drink and carried it with me between stations.
I'm currently out of everything except the Kona Bike Mix. Goal on the bike has been 350cal/hour and 250cal/hr on the run with liquid nutrition only. I haven't calculated sodium needs other than to taste test once during the bike and once during the run. The goal calories/hr stays on track for the bike but falls apart on the run so I end up not knowing exactly what's getting in for the run per hour. I thought by using the course products I can plan more exactly for the run.
Did some checking on two piece kit for IM distance, will get advice on saddles & shorts, etc. to solve the chafing issue for long course racing.
I'm also interested in seeing how to be a more efficient runner and how to confirm that running inefficiencies are causing higher HRs.
@Sue DeJesus thank you for pulling up the packet so we can see the numbers. I think that 5 g of protein in hours away too much and the drink mix. It’s OK to eat some protein but drinking it will really cause some of that burping that you mentioned. Also, that’s a lot of calories in just one bike bottle. In contrast, you could achieve the calories you need by drinking one and 2/3 bottles of Gatorade endurance and be set both from a calorie perspective as well as sodium.
The base salt itself is incredibly salty and in the matter when you take it, it will taste salty. That’s not a good or better, the taste, of whether not you have sufficient sodium in your system. Usually if you have excess fluid in your stomach or sloshing, that’s when you know that the mix doesn’t have enough sodium.
Similarly for the run, that is a ton of calories. I usually drink 4 ounces of Gatorade per eight station and hit 88 stations an hour. That’s about 200 cal for me, A human freight train!! There’s almost no way that you would be able to digest those calories especially coming off of such a highly concentrated Nutrition) experience on the bike.
Same story goes for the salts. We settled it was salt pills, usually one per hour, to keep you safe regardless of how you feel. The hotter it is typically what we will do a little bit more.
I agree, the biggest change for you are using what’s provided on course so you can plan exactly what you want to consume and know what you’re getting, at least until your brain goes a little haywire. Right now you have to do too much enough and adjusting almost every sip to make it work. It’s simply not worth it, and also not effective.
Keep me posted on the gear changes and we can work on your run in July.
The easiest way for us to do that is to have someone videotape you while you’re running by them, they can hold a camera in Pan the video and then you can upload the video here Or send it to me via email. Let me know when you make the nutritional changes.
@Coach Patrick GATORADE ENDURANCE TRIAL: I did the epic 8 hr bike two Saturdays ago on a trainer due to my schedule. I stayed in Z1-2 for the duration. For the 8 hours I used 140oz Gatorade Endurance (1050cal/1808mg sodium) plus 5 eFuel gels at 150cal/230mg sodium gel per hour (Gel total: 750cal + 1150mg) for a Grand total for the 8 hours of 1800cal/2958mg sodium or approximately 225cal/370mg sodium per hour. Sodium seems low, but I was 0.4 lb OVER my starting weight. Does that mean there was too much sodium for the conditions I rode in? I used a fan so I didn't sweat like I normally do.
RUN: I like the idea of just 1 2/3 bottles Gatorade Endurance on the Bike - keeps it simple. I ordered the salt capsules (750mg) in case I need to add extra. I'll calculate # stations in an hour for the run to check calories and sodium and what I'll need for that.
I see the spine specialist to debrief on the MRI 7/3/19 2pm so I should know what I can do for my running by next Wednesday and I can see about making a video to spot technique and inefficiencies after that. I should also be able to tell progress in my running in my tempo run 6/27 as well.
@Sue DeJesus I love that you have a profile picture, but I respectfully submit to you that it in no way reflects how badass you are with your workouts! We might need to update that.
I think your execution on the bike is perfect. That variance is minimal and could easily swing the other way if you’re outside.
Remember that as we climb to rain in the heat, not only is the workload higher than indoors but you also get the reflective heat off of the road as you slow down. And other words, there will be plenty of opportunities when we were outside to lose fluids within the context of an “normal“ race situation.
Now that we have established a system, your job is to continue working at it so that you get more accustomed to not only the timing but your capacity to absorb the fluids as well. I would save that sodium pill for a particularly hot days. If you were following your nutrition protocol then you probably wouldn’t need the salt pills until the second half of your ride. The protocol would still be one hour at that point. To be clear, I am referring to outdoor rides here, not on the trainer .
looking forward to MRI review info...
@Coach Patrick I'll look for a more badass picture...LOL!
Looking at practicing nutrition for the OLY coming up in 2 weeks. What do you think?
Bike: I will carry 60oz of gatorade on the bike (at 1.66 bottles per hour), my guess 1.5 hr bike time - this sounds like a lot! But I will try it...
Run needs: In 2017 I did the run in 1:03 so let's call it 6 miles per hour - if I drink 4 oz Gatorade every mile that will give me 24oz with 180 cal & 310mg sodium. If I take one 750mg salt tab at the beginning of the run, does that sound like a good plan? It's projected to be 90 degrees and 70%RH, so a hot one.
@Coach Patrick
My consultation with the Sports-Orthopedic-Spine Specialist (an Ironman himself!) went very well. Results do show ‘normal’ aging degeneration of the low back with a bulging disc at L-4,5 and narrowing on the nerve outlet on the left side, thus my symptoms. I show mild strength loss along the pathway of the nerve irritation and space occlusion where the disc has encroached on the nerve outlet.
He states no restrictions other than what I’m already doing and he projects that with 2-3 more months my run stride will lengthen back to normal and the pain will go away.
Depending on the level of pain, any medical intervention would be to relieve symptoms and are not curative. He agreed that since I’m not in terrible pain I’ll not do anything other than take the more powerful anti-inflammatory a few days before and after big workouts and races.
Your plan for the run Nutrition sounds perfect. If you plan on eating anything remember it Hass to happen earlier in the run because later on you will be unable to really process anything solid. I am pleased to hear about the situation with your back, I encourage you to define what a good strength program would be to help support that area while you maintain your athletic lifestyle. It is slightly unrelated, but @Sabra Gonzalez He’s also working with her chiropractor to stay healthy. Might be a good idea for the two of you to connect?
@Coach Patrick I would like input into how to structure my 2 year plan to qualify for 2021 Kona with a late season IM in 2020?
Doing it this way puts me racing in a new AG 70-75 for 2021. Racing Kona at 70 would be pretty cool. Training to win my AG in Kona is my focus and mantra for the next 2 years!
Spreading out the IM races will also give me more training time to improve bike & run. I also got very sick 2018 doing 2 IMs in the same year even though they were spaced April/Oct - with 25h/wk avg training load. Hoping to avoid that at all costs. I'm thinking IMChatt again bc there are typically fewer ladies in my AG that race it so my qualifying chances would be better, so this year is reconnaissance to decide if it's a good race for qualifying next year ; or IMLouisville is possible. Trying to stay east-coast so I can save money by driving unless you feel there would be a better qualifying race.
Do you recommend a spring or summer 70.3? Frequent 5K or 10Ks? Century, Grand Fondo rides? Could you map out a 2 year progression that I could then look for races that fit? I only want to do what sets me up to qualify for Kona 2020 and peak for Kona 2021 (while saving $ to go to Kona!).
So what do you recommend for the next two years, knowing 2021 is my super "A" race goal?
(I'll reach out to Sabra and find out what she's doing strength wise...)
@Coach Patrick My Olympic Triathlon went very well yesterday. I drank more on the bike, took salt pill on the beginning of the run and felt strong the whole race. My cooling strategies worked - I never felt heat stressed. Nerve pain was minimal on the swim and mostly none on the run. I viewed a video on using K-tape for where I experience nerve pain, and believe it helped. Run (1:07) splits were 11:20, 11:03, 11:06, 11:13, 10:44, 11:02. I tried to increase pace the last 2 miles, but not sure why, couldn't sustain it. My best triathlon 10K has been 1:00-1:03. It was 92 degrees and 67%RH. 30min Swim, 1:24 Bike, 1:07 Run for a total time of 3:09. I was the oldest woman, and the only one in my age group. BUT! Of 270 participating, I was faster than 100 others, all ages, male & female. All in all, I'm happy with my race performance!
@Coach Patrick I have a question regarding July 30th runs. I have both a Run Test 1:00 and an optional Run Cruise 0:55, then the next day a split run 1:15/1:00. If I am able, I'm to do both the Test Run & Cruise Run, correct?
@Sue DeJesus Negative! Only do the run cruise intervals if you are NOT testing. It's an either/or situation!
@Coach Patrick Of the 2 IMs I've done to date, I had VERY different experiences. I'm trying to figure out why the big difference. IMTX felt great and won my AG and neg split my first marathon! IMTX all day my goal was to keep HR around 129. When I was done I thought that wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. IMKona didn't feel nearly as good, and came in 14th! I'm pretty sure I didn't have enough salt on board for Kona and the bike felt hard.
Current bike FTP 127w, My run TRP is 127-138HR if that helps looking back. Any insights that would help me going into IMChoo?
@Sue DeJesus definitely a couple of insights for you. First of all you spent an hour and 20 minutes more on the bike in Kona which puts you into a different nutritional ZIP Code and adds a phenomenal amount of stress to your body. Compared to your Texas performance you were already at mile six on the run whereas in Hawaii you were just getting off the bike.
Secondly, you fell victim to the heat on on the drive. Look at how your heart rate spikes in those first 3 miles over 20 beats higher than what you did on the bike. That is a cardinal sin inside Endurance Nation and something that you did not experience in Texas because it wasn’t as hot in Texas is 100% flat on the run.
I am sure that Salt was a part of the issues you face, but in general I think you were not prepared for just how challenging Kona was. And it’s a very common experience for a first timer so it’s not like you should get down on yourself, but use this as an opportunity to learn.
Looking at Chattanooga, because of the hills you will likely be out there closer to the seven hour mark, somewhere in between those two races. So we need to make sure the nutrition is spot on so that your body can function and stay cool without having to work too hard.
Depending on the conditions for the day this may involve having a room on your bike for a bottle that just hold water which you can Dallas yourself with especially climbing the hills in Chickamaugua.
You will also have to be conservative with the run heart rate when you get to the hills in Chattanooga. Well part of the run is flat, there’s a very healthy portion as well that you will hit in the heat of the day and we have to keep your heart rate down so that you can be successful across the course of your day. This is part of our mantra about racing to not slow down versus racing too fast, too early.
As you can see in Texas, you build your effort throughout the run and finish strong. Where as in Kona, your heart rate shot up in voluntarily and then you did your best to manage the fatigue and conditions fighting until the end.
Out of curiosity, I wonder what place he would’ve been in for your age group if you had run a 5:46, 36 minutes faster?
@Coach Patrick Running 36 minutes faster would have placed me 9th instead of 14th. Are you saying that if I had fueled better on the bike & run, and kept my HR lower early on the run that I could have come in 36 minutes sooner?
I think September's IMChoo will be a good test of mastering my pacing and nutrition.
Is it too soon to look forward and sketch out the next two years? I would like input into how to structure my 2 year plan to qualify for 2021 Kona with a late season IM in 2020.
Qualifying for Kona with a late IM 2020 puts me racing in a new AG 70-75 for 2021. Racing Kona at 70 would be pretty cool. Training to win my AG in Kona is my focus and mantra for the next 2 years!
Spreading out the IM races will also give me more training time to improve bike & run and master fuel & pace strategies the EN way. I also got very sick 2018 doing 2 IMs in the same year even though they were spaced April/Oct - with 25h/wk avg training load. Hoping to avoid getting sick at all costs. I'm thinking IMChatt again bc there are typically fewer ladies in my AG that race it so my qualifying chances would be better, so this year is reconnaissance to decide if it's a good race for qualifying next year ; or IMLouisville is possible. Trying to stay east-coast so I can save money by driving unless you feel there would be a better qualifying race.
Building to a late season "A" race, do you recommend a spring or summer 70.3? Frequent 5K or 10Ks? Century, Grand Fondo rides? Could you map out a 2 year progression that I could then look for races that fit? I only want to do what sets me up to qualify for Kona 2020 and peak for Kona 2021 (while saving $ to go to Kona!).
So what do you recommend for the next two years, knowing 2021 is my super "A" race goal?
@Coach Patrick I hope my goal is not unrealistic... and I don't know if this helps our planning for 2021 Kona, but here is my research on the WC winning times at Kona for the last several years for AGW70-74. I've included my IMTX & WC for 2018 to see where I need to improve. Thanks so much for your help! IMTX was a wetsuit swim btw.
Yes, I am absolutely saying that better nutrition and better pacing would give you better speed. You simply were a little too aggressive early on and you paid the price for it. Nothing to be ashamed of, it’s a very common mistake. Not to mention that Hawaii is 10 times harder than Texas so every mistake is magnified. This is why it makes sense to start now with creating a race plan that you can test and refine overtime so that every additional race sees you refining the process and your strategy.
I don’t normally sketch out two years in advance in the middle of a current year, but we can certainly do that if that is what your top priority is right now. Otherwise I would suggest that we save the information you posted and we look at it once we are through Chattanooga. Let me know how you want to proceed!
@Coach Patrick I'm looking forward to practicing the EN nutrition and pacing for IM Choo. It should be a good test!
To make sure we're talking about the same thing, by a two year plan, I'm not asking for the layout of the training plans, but I'm asking for recommendations for types of races and the space between them building into (hopefully) Kona 2021 so I can start looking for those types of races, and save for them. For example, my 2019 'race plan' was a March 5k, April OLY, May 70.3, July OLY, Sept IM Choo. But I don't know the EN way of picking races building into the 'A' Race. So I'm looking for that sort of recommendation. While it is my priority and what I'm building toward, we can certainly wait until after IMChoo. No problem. Maybe just keep this in mind as you see my training and how I do at the IMChoo Camp & Race.
@Coach Patrick On 8/17 I have my first combined long run with instructions for Zone 3 work then finishes in TRP. Do these instructions assume a warm up? Thanks!
@Sue DeJesus you should always warm up for your runs. We don’t typically specify that for longer runs because most people just do that naturally. And the intensity of those long runs is not so great that people can handle the work. We almost always specify warm-ups for the interval sessions.
Thank you for clarifying on re-selection versus the season plan. It’s hard for me to say right now because I haven’t seen your performance yet in Chattanooga which will really define how I think about your year. There’s a lot of different things that we need to accomplish in kicking off this relationship and a huge part of that is seeing how you execute and how your strengths play out on the bike. With that information I’ll be able to give you some more critical guidance on what is the best procedure for you.
On a macro level, it’s very important for us that our athletes get a proper out season block of training which is 14 weeks long. This will come after recovering from this year, so you likely would be done with that by mid April 2020. From there I would recommend an early season half in the May proper had to June timeframe as a good gauge of your fitness before we tackle the rest of your year. But the race that we choose for you as the target race and the timing of that race is dependent on several factors....so it would have to be TBD for now unless you have a race /timing window that can’t flex!
@Coach Patrick OK. It looks like the best thing to do is see how camp and IMChoo go. I'll put my focus there. thanks!
@Sue DeJesus don’t take it the wrong way, it’s just that there is both a process and a pace to do in that kind of macro living level planning properly.
With such a big milestone with Chattanooga right around the corner, it only makes sense to start the future process once we have that in the books.
I hope the training is going well!
@Coach Patrick Training is going well over all. I'm starting to carry a good amount of fatigue, not being able to hit higher zone work, legs feeling heavy. So I'm backing off workouts this week getting ready for the IMChoo Camp. Just trying to be smart yet still do work to keep fitness. Training Peaks has me at 162 for fatigue/ 149 for fitness / -36 for form. I understand these numbers are not necessarily accurate, but the -36 does concern me!
@Sue DeJesus sounds good to me! I know exactly the feeling you describe and while taking days off is not ideal, we have to listen to our bodies.
Don’t forget that you always have the option to swim as a low intensity exercise in place of another work out if keeping your metabolism going is a priority. That’s my go to work out as I certainly need a great deal of help with my swim! 😂
@Coach Patrick Thanks for the suggestion to swim. I was thinking walking might be good as well? or I have an ElliptiGO on a trainer that might be a good alternative to keep the metabolism clicking?
@Coach Patrick Would you make a GPS file for 1.5 loops of the IMChoo Camp route? I don't think I'll be able to do 2 loops and still be done in 6 hours, and I want to do more than the 2 mini loops. I think cutting off 20 miles off the lower part of the loop the 2nd time around, by taking a Left at 136 off 193, then a L onto 341 would shave off about 20 miles of the bigger loop and only add 3.8 miles to cut across would make a 98ish mile route. Do you mind?
@Sue DeJesus This is done and in your inbox. If I didn’t do it maybe you could share it with the team who are attending camp in that same group me? I think you should be OK on the first day but it’s nice to have the option as a bail out regardless. Who knows what the weather will be doing etc. or how you will feel on Day 2.