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Kona RR # 1

Posted this over in the Kona section - I see I might get more response if I put it here?

While I am a very organized thinker, and actually love outlines and bullet points, I've put this in a more narrative format, so you may have to dig through the prose to get to the nuggets;


My RR this week will be on Wednesday, as I have that day off, it's predicted to be clear, lower 70s, and the weather Thurs-Sun is predicting possible showers.

So, my plan, such as it is:

I'll wake up when I wake up, and eat what I usually eat, which is what I do on race day anyway - OJ, oatmeal, with raisins & blueberries, and maybe some bacon. 2 hours later, I'll start out.

I will stage from my house, and do a northerly, more hilly loop of 51.5 miles, and a southerly, flatter, sunnier out and back of 54.6. 106 miles usually gets me 6 hours on these, even though I usually race faster than that. The two loops allow me to simulate special needs, & not have to stop for refueling elsewhere, although there are water spots along the way on the second half. And I can shed any extra clothes I use for the morning chill of low 50's I'll be starting in. The route is quite scenic, prettty much following Puget Sound from Port Orchard down to Steiliacoom.

My iBike is working well these days, which is good as I won't get my new PowerTap for at least another week or two, so I'll see how good a VI I get. The iBike is really twitchy, so given the hills and its quirks, if I get lower than 1.15, I'll be doing well. Usual EN pacing guidelines will apply, .65-.7 of my 250 racing FTP will apply for the first half of the first loop. The second half of that loop will be fast, as it's net downhill with a tail wind. The second half will then be at 0.71-.72, finishing up closer to 0.74 if I have some juice in the last hour.

I've got some PowerBar Perform powder to use, and I've already found it is too concentrated for me, so I'll use 2 scoops instead of the recommended three per bottle (140 total cal, only for the first loop). My other on board bottle will be Perpetuem, 3 scoops for each loop (750 total cal). Two bottles for the first loop ought to be enough fluid, with 2 + whatever I need at available water on the second loop. I'll take a pack of Clif Shot Bloks (200 total cal), and 6 ozs of Hammer Gel in a flask (600 cal). Maybe my disk wheel as it's still set up from yesterday's race, but no aero helmet.

My run will be my usual brick route, the one I'm using for my shoe test. My new Mizuno Waves (4.2 oz) arrived, so I'll use those.  The run will be six miles, probably in 50 minutes or so. The weather should be high 60s to low 70s, but shady at that point.  I'll attempt a 9 -9:10 pace, for the first 3 miles (out), and then 8:40ish back, from my current VDOT of 49.0. I'll use half strength Powerbar Perform (110 cal) in a 32 oz squeeze bottle for that, with a Gu and fluid in T2.

My main goal in this RR is to see where I am so I can get more predictive in the second RR, which will be designed to predict actual race day efforts. The second RR will hopefully be in hotter weather, as I'll be in CO for it. The main result I look for is how did the run feel, and how fast was I able to run the last 2 miles. My biggest issues in races are not pacing, but hydration and nutrition, which is difficult to simulate in the RR as the weather is ALWAYS different on race day - no matter where the race is or where I've trained. So weight before and after, and number of times having to stop and pee, and ounces ingested etc will all be key parameters.

For those who don't remember, I made a big mess of my race in Kona last year, so hydration, humility, and patience are my mantras this year. Hope I can figure out a way to practice them in the RRs.

Follow up Wed. evening.

Comments

  • Al,
    It looks like a good plan for a great ride and run. My only comment is with the higher calorie dense nutrition like the Gel, cliff shots and even Perpetuem (this is what I use as my primary fuel for IMs) it is recommended that they be taken with decent amounts of water. They need to diluted significantly or the stomach will pull water out of the system to process them. I assume you are also carrying some plain water for this reason but did not see it listed.
    Matt
  • @ Matt, good point, one I've worried about. The problem, of course, is that I don't have an aid station every 6-7 miles (they are that close together in Hawaii!), compounded by my refusal to use an aerobar bottle set up. At the temps I'm riding in, I'm lucky to need even two bottles of fluid in the first three hours. In the "warmer" part of the day (in the 60s), I might need a bottle an hour, and can reload along the way at a few water fountains. I had planned on using just H2O in the second loop in the RR, with Perform in the first loop; maybe I'll switch that to half-strength on the first loop, and water on the second, as the perform is just too concentrated both in calories and taste for me.

    Unless I'm willing to stop and pee every 45 minutes, there's just no way I can simulate my fluid needs for the Hawaii race in the weather we are having here in the Pac NW this summer.

  • Looks good to me as well Al. Just one question on the Perform. You plan to use a diluted mixture of it on the bike and run (vs full strength) and I'm just wondering how you plan to put that into action on race day. Will you grab water and sorta mix as you go to dilute the Perform that is provided on the course?
  • @ Nemo - I usually grab multiple cups at the aid station - water, ice, coke OR gatorade - and mix to taste/need while walking. Just need to remember two rules: don't mix coke with gatorade (oops - Perform), and only dump clear substances on my head. It's way too easy to get too many calories on the run, when loading up 6-7 times an hour, and there are 50-60 calories per six ounce cup of coke or perform.
  • A practical, wise, and common sense approach comes shining through. Thanks for that "take away".
  • Here's the outcome of my week six RR.

    Day's weather: Sunny, cloudless, minimal wind. Start temp 53 F, finished @ 80, humidity low 30s (These are the days we never tell anyone about; we prefer you think it's always cloudy and drizzling here.) So my ride along the Sound, with the Olympic Mountains to the west, Mt Rainier and the Cascades to the east was a visual splendor. Except, I was looking at a power meter for six hours, it might as well have been fogged in.

    Bike: 6:05 hours, 100 miles. NP was 179, IF 0.715, TSS 315, VI 1.16 (this is from an iBike), elevation gain 4800 feet (high point 355 feet, low sea level), HR avg 102.

    While the NP and IF were right on, the low distance and high VI reflect a constant up and down - and this is the "flattest" ride I can find from my house. I could get totally flat, but would have to do three loops on a bike path and dodge dogs, baby strollers, etc. Also, turns, lights, and stop signs all slow me down. This is the same *time* I had in my last IM, which was 12 miles further and a TSS of 296 with the same elevation total, but far fewer stops and starts and fewer and less steep hills.

    The iBike was working perfectly, never had any odd power spikes or losses, so I was able to use it on the hills to keep my speed and effort down, but still had a number of small climbs where I had to go 85-90% to avoid falling over.

    Also, my NP for each 25 mile segment was 178. 180, 185, 173, iF of 71, 72, 74, 69. My HRs were 100/103/103/103. So what happened in the last 1+ hour? Two things: the USGA Amateur championship is being held at the golf course on the Sound by which my route goes for 5+ miles. The traffic in and out was a problem. But more important, I was using my new Sidi T2.6 shoes for the first time longer than 1 hour, and I discovered that by 4 hours into the ride, the bottom of my great toes were getting numb, and the tops of my feet were getting squinched by the relatively stiff tongue. So I loosened the straps - like, totally loose, and my floppy feet inside were not pulling as effectively as before. I was really worried my feet would hurt so much, my run would be affected.

    I drank 50 oz in the first 3 hours (2 bottles), and 70 in the last 3 hours. Stopped to pee twice in the first half, once at my midway point, and once again in the second loop. My weight did not change from the start of the bike to the end, so I don't think I was getting dehydrated.

    I conclude that the combo of insufficient 4+ hour bike fitness at this point in the training cycle, the loose shoes, and the sketchy traffic for 30 minutes all affected my last 1.25 hours. My only change for the future is to start the ride with slightly looser straps, not cinched down totally tight. And wear the new shoes some more to loosen them up - they are so gleaming white and shiny, I haven't wanted to scuff them up!

    T2 was 7 minutes, maybe 2 minutes too much. I took a GU and my 4th salt pill of the day, along with about 8-10 ounces of very dilute Powerbar Endurance drink.

    For the run, I'd planned on 9:10 for the first half and 8:4X for the second. I also had planned to do my shady route, but made a last minute decision to do the sunny route, to see if I could actually handle getting 10 ounces of fluid every mile and see what affect the sun and "heat" would have on my running.

    I was wearing new shoes for the run as well - Mizuno Waves, racing flats which weigh 4.2 oz. They have a subtle red hue, and look sharp. And, now I know they are a dream to run in. They had a wide toe box, which I need, and no heel rise. I've got to admit these are the best feeling racing flats I ever used - all my worries about my feet after the bike evaporated.

    The first mile out of my house is a serious uphill with some 10-12% grades. First mile was 9:55; last mile (back down) was 8:03. Second mile (also mostly uphill, not as steep) was 8:57/8:32 coming back; and the 3rd/4th miles , somewhat down out, up back were 8:42/9:07. First three miles were 9:15, and the return trip was 8:34. So my running pace was not affected at this temp at least.

    I felt simply awesome on the run - I had to constantly remember to rein myself in on the last three miles, and feel I could have gone today at least another six at that pace.

    I drank 40 oz on the run and lost 1.2 pounds. And I was having a hard time taking in all that fluid.

    My next RR will be in 2.5 weeks (same day as IM WI) on a smoother course in Colorado, basically a bike path on an old RR bed with a constant 1-2% grade for 40 miles each way, plus an out and back on a similar road. Same elevation gain as today, but only two climbs instead of 50+, and no traffic issues. I'll work on pushing the last quarter of the bike a bit more, and see what that does to my run.

  • Al,



    No supplemental sodium/electrolytes? Upping this has allowed me to increase my water intake without the need to pee so frequently. 

  •  See the T2 paragraph - 4 Succeed Tabs total 3 on bike 1 @ start of run, which I think helped improve my mental focus after getting off the bike. My skin tastes salty but there's no real salt lines on my tri suit, so I think I got it right.

  • Just wanted to be clear about the shoes I'm using: Mizuno Wave Universe 3. My initial impression is higher with this shoe than any other I've ever had; one review reports using them for 1000 miles. Same reviewer said his Piranhas gave out after 100, which is my experience also. These appear to be a simply awesome minimalist shoe. If they last that long, they may become my go to shoe for all occasions.
  • Nice job Al! Sounds like you hit all the key take a ways and have a very good plan for RR#2 lined up as well.
  • Greeat Job Al. I can't think of anything constructive to add.

    I switched to Sidi road shoes earlier this year and at first I was making them too tight as well. Now I know not to crank them down and I love them. Good to hear that your found a pair of shoes you really like, it can be quite a project.

    10 oz per mile on the run seems really high to me, but if it works for you stick with it. Makes me think I need to continue to increase my intake on the run.

    Thanks for sharing the plan and report...mine is tomorrow with a forecast of 81 and "abundant" sunshine. I believe the route I have has very little shade.
  • I think what I learned is that 8 oz per aid station is about my max. Remember, you come on those aid stations faster than I do, so naturally you should be taking less. Say, if your sweat rate is 48 oz/hour, and you hit 8 aid stations an hour, that's 6 oz each station. For me, the six and the 8 are just about reversed.
  • Thanks Al. Based on your advice a few weeks ago I have been trying to get more water in. The best I have done with out stomach issues is 36 ... but I definitely loose more than that. I'll keep working on it.
  • I think your fitness sounds pretty good, remember that you can still put in a good bike week if you want 3-4 days by the 10th of Sept if you want. That said, curious to see your IF was .71 for lap 1, and higher until lap 4, when your plan had you at .65-.7 for the first half of the entire ride? Did you consciously decide to ride harder? Also I'd like to hear your micro drink plan, as in liquid fuel every 10' with 2 gulps water, etc.

    Thanks for sharing!

    P

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