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Matching CT Watts to Your PM--Resetting Procedure

This is the time of year when folks who own Computrainers begin to fret about the fact that CT and power meter watts don't match, and what guage to use indoors. Personally, I think you can work it out either way to your best advantage. However, Keith and I found the following on how to reset your CT to agree with your power meter. Disclaimer--we haven't yet tried it, but here it is FYI.

Permanent re-settimg

-if, once warmed up and calibrated, your computrainer doesnt agree with your powertap, you can adjust it 1x (ill call this re-setting) so that it permanently agrees (once daily calibrated) with your srm/powertap



Resetting procedure:

1) loosen the retaining allenkey on the flywheel, move the flywheel as far out on the axle as you can, tighten it back on (more room to work)

1b) look at the computrainer load unit- there is a sticker on the "wheel side" at about 9oclock- ie away from your front wheel, on the right side of hte computrainer faciing forward.

1c) remove this sticker

1d) under the sticker is a small hole

2) ride for 15 mins, recalibrate the tire pressure a bunch fo times. Make sure everything is warmed up, temp stable, etc

3) put computrainer in "erg mode" and put powertap in "lap mode" and have it display "avg lap power"

4) ride at steady RPM for about 5 mins, and watch how your avg lap power compares to your 'erg mode power"

5) stick a small screwdriver (i cant remember if phillips or flat) into the hole you found earlier

6) you will find a small screw deep in the hole with your screwdriver

7) turn the screw clockwise to increase powertap wattage, coutnerclockwise to decrease it. you should only turn the screw a tiny bit- like 1/8th of a full turn per adjustment

8) repeat steps 2-7 until your powertap and your computrainer agree on the same wattages





 

Comments

  • Nice work! Wiki post?

  • very cool info!
  • Linda,

    not sure where you found that nugget of knowledge, but any chance there is more there?? Looking for guidance on the calibration number on the CT. It comes preset at 2.0, but the manual is very clear it needs to be calibrated every ride. The manual is very vague as to what the number should be. I've heard anywhere from 2.0-2.5 and even 2.7. I've also read it doesn't matter that much as long as you are consistent from ride to ride. Is there some engineer that has figured this out, or is it really just that vague?
  •  @Tom:

    I've found that it's just that vague.  The rolldown calibration number you get will simply depend on how tightly you've adjusted the roller to the wheel.

  • Back in the day I ran/managed a CT studio and called CT about this. I believe they said 2.0-2.2 was ideal. Maybe email them or search The Google to comfirm?

  • Rich, I think it used to be, my paper manual circa 2005 says 2.0 the newest stuff on the CT site (last I checked) said at least 2.5, when I spoke w/  them a few years ago they also recommend the conti indoor trainer tire.

  • Will wiki it!

    Now we have to do some caliibration research and get that straight. I'm have a little confusion too. Have always calibrated to 2.2-2.5. But at the EN Team TT at the Tri Expo, the guys there have you calibrating the CT to 2.5-3.0, which I have never heard of. That still rings in my head making me wonder what's right? I've stuck with 2.2-2.5, but now I wonder.... Whoever ets to the bottom of it first, post back. image

  • The higher calibrated number means more clamping force on the tire. I think it is really to prevent tire slippage during hard efforts.
  • From Richard Wharton's book "Watts Per Kilogram". The only book I know that is designed to get the most out of your Computrainer. Ironically it was not a very big seller image

    FOR PURPOSES OF CONSISTENCY, ALL COMPUTRAINER ROLLING RESISTANCE
    CALIBRATIONS (RRC) SHOULD BE PERFORMED AT A LEVEL EQUAL TO OR HIGHER
    THAN “2.7".

    That was written in 2004. His thoughts - crush your tire. Sure it will wear out fast, but at least it's accurate. Even better, use an indoor tire.

    I've rarely been able to register that number after a 10 minute warmup. Usually closer to 2.2 or 2.3.
  • Posted By Tom Glynn on 06 Oct 2010 01:16 PM

    From Richard Wharton's book "Watts Per Kilogram". The only book I know that is designed to get the most out of your Computrainer. Ironically it was not a very big seller



    FOR PURPOSES OF CONSISTENCY, ALL COMPUTRAINER ROLLING RESISTANCE

    CALIBRATIONS (RRC) SHOULD BE PERFORMED AT A LEVEL EQUAL TO OR HIGHER

    THAN “2.7".



     

    You can get there if you calibrate within the first minute at are at ~3.2-ish. image Then after warm up, calibrate again, and it will likely come down to that level. Alternately, like you say, warm up, calibrate, then crush the tire until you get to that number. I have to say, trying out that higher calibration--I really like the way it feels when I ride. Nice and grippy. I've just been staying at the lower numbers b/c I thought it was "correct."

     

     

  • The rubbing alcohol thing works good too.
  • Bleach and a couple burnouts will make that tire hook up!
  • My recollection in reading the material about 24 months ago was that they recommended modifying the value higher when the course has steeper hills. The even provided a table (that I was not able to locate).

    Last year I keep it 2 to 2.5. However, I'd get a ton of slippage when doing certain course, such wildflower. But, I was using normal tires too. I will start using 2.7. Thanks!
  • Thank you for posting and wiki-ing. I had no idea this calibration could be done.
  • Posted By Linda Patch on 06 Oct 2010 07:32 AM

    This is the time of year when folks who own Computrainers begin to fret about the fact that CT and power meter watts don't match, and what guage to use indoors. Personally, I think you can work it out either way to your best advantage. However, Keith and I found the following on how to reset your CT to agree with your power meter. Disclaimer--we haven't yet tried it, but here it is FYI.

    Permanent re-settimg

    -if, once warmed up and calibrated, your computrainer doesnt agree with your powertap, you can adjust it 1x (ill call this re-setting) so that it permanently agrees (once daily calibrated) with your srm/powertap



    Resetting procedure:

    1) loosen the retaining allenkey on the flywheel, move the flywheel as far out on the axle as you can, tighten it back on (more room to work)

    1b) look at the computrainer load unit- there is a sticker on the "wheel side" at about 9oclock- ie away from your front wheel, on the right side of hte computrainer faciing forward.

    1c) remove this sticker

    1d) under the sticker is a small hole

    2) ride for 15 mins, recalibrate the tire pressure a bunch fo times. Make sure everything is warmed up, temp stable, etc

    3) put computrainer in "erg mode" and put powertap in "lap mode" and have it display "avg lap power"

    4) ride at steady RPM for about 5 mins, and watch how your avg lap power compares to your 'erg mode power"

    5) stick a small screwdriver (i cant remember if phillips or flat) into the hole you found earlier

    6) you will find a small screw deep in the hole with your screwdriver

    7) turn the screw clockwise to increase powertap wattage, coutnerclockwise to decrease it. you should only turn the screw a tiny bit- like 1/8th of a full turn per adjustment

    8) repeat steps 2-7 until your powertap and your computrainer agree on the same wattages 

     

    For the life of me, I cannot find the "small hole at 9 o'clock" that has the adjustment screw inside.  Any hints???  Mine is late 2007 vintage.  The serial number sticker is there, but no hole under it.



     

  • It's interesting... I kind of have this opposite philosophy where I don't really care what the calibration is on my CT. When doing intervals I cover my PT with a towel and increase the power on the CT in erg mode to a level that I feel meets the purpose of the workout. This has allowed me to really fine tune my RPE:power.

    Thanks, Chris
  • Regarding CT calibration; In one of the manuals I received with the CT there is a table of caibration values referenced to both grade of a climb and watts.  As watts increase the calibration value needs to increase to prevent the tire from slipping.  I find that the 'warmed-up' value after 10 minutes of riding is generally around 0.5 less then when I first start up.

  • Just hooked up my new CT. The table in the "Basic Hardware" guide (p.23 - March 2009 edition) says to set the Press-On Force (value you get from the rolling calibration drill) to a low number for low max power output / low grade climb and a high number for high max power output / high grade climb. Values range from 2.0 for up to 250 watts / flat course to 4.99 for 800+ watts / 15% grade. Note max value is 4.99. The table graduates by 0.5 lb increments for every 2.5% grade and at watt steps of 250/300/400/500/650/700/800+.

    Now if I can just figure out how to determine FTP from my 42min test on the CT (don't have WKO+...yet). Got until tomorrow morning...starting NOV OS!!
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