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Nutrition.....period.

I was told to jump in with questions...so here goes!  I am a 5x Ironman.  I still do not get how to do nutrition.  My first couple years I just tried gu and bars with gatorade, but I was told I wasnt getting enough protein.  So this year I decided to try perpetuem, and I ended up puking after a 60 mile ride (did NOT sit well).  I feel like Ive tried so many different things, but I always completely run out of energy OR find myself eating anything infront of me on the run because I get so hungry!  Any suggestions??? I am 5'0, roughly 125 lbs, BMI roughly 16.5.  Thanks!  I want to work on this EARLY so later in the year I wont be stressing image

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  •  Hi Lauren, welcome to the Haus!  I'm terrible with it too, but my reason is laziness.  Someone here pointed me to Bob Seebohar's book Metabolic Efficiency Training, I wish I had it earlier in my season as I started what he preached and felt pretty good about it.  I'm no expert, and probably not much for advice, but its worth a look, it is very simple, limited calories which gives you a clean gut and works off of your own fat for energy with your own supplementation of whatever you need during the race, but just not as much as you used to.  Anyway, that made no sense, but its a great book, easy to read, and it seems to work well.  www.fuel4mance.com 

    Good luck.

  • Welcome Lauren! Nutrition is indeed the 4th event in IM triathlons. The latter half of the bike and most of the run suffers from a poor race nutrition plan.

    There are alot of good resources on the wiki starting with the EN Long Course Webinar: http://endurancenation.us.dnnmax.com/Resources/Wiki/tabid/108/Default.aspx?topic=Wiki+Table+of+Contents It's all the way at the bottom of the table of contents under Nutrition.
    There's also my article about Monitoring Hydration and Sodium: http://members.endurancenation.us/Resources/Wiki/tabid/108/Default.aspx?topic=Monitoring+Hydration+Status
    The puking with the perpetuem could've have been from being dehydrated or using a concentrated solution.

    Hope that's helpful.
  • Lauren- Welcome fellow L'il Peep! image

    You'll find the general guidelines on nutrition focus on both your pacing and what you are consuming. When you start reviewing the 4 Keys and Race Execution stuff in the Wiki and podcasts you'll get more detail. But in general the guidance is to only consume what your gut can process, and that usually means fairly low calories (I'm roughly your size and I target 200 cals/hr, unless it's hot and then I'll lower that a bit). The other guidance is the pacing. Often you can get the nutrition "right" but you mess it up by going out too hard. So what you perceive as a GI issue is really just a symptom of a bigger pacing issue.

    I'm still learning. I had a GREAT race at IMWI in 2008 and then ended up with GI issues at IMWI in 2010. That's just to say that even when you think you've got it "right" you can still screw it up!

    PS- I've found protein in my nutrition (like Perpetuem) gives me gas and bloating on longer distance stuff. I now only have a very small amount of protein in my Infiinit mix - just enough to help me from feeling hungry.
  • Lauren,

    I for one am impressed that you were able to actually even swallow the Perpetuem!!  I almost hurled the first second it touched my lips!  You will find that many of us are committed to Infinit - because it works!  I have used protein in my drink for the last couple of years, and while it does foam up a bit, Infinit's drinks are waaaaaaay more palatable than other drinks I've tried.  They also have the ability to change the flavor concentration if you plan on using concentrated feed bottles (which many of us do).  So if you're going to use one bottle for 3 hours, you can tone down the flavor so that it's not a concentrated, super sweet gu.

    Mike

  • I used to use Perpetuem and was fine with it . . .  until I let it get warm once. Nasty! I'm also an InfiniT convert and love it.

  • For those that use InfiniT, is the EN standard mix appropriate for concentration or is it highly enough flavored that it's only good for 1x use? Or where do you start?

    I've used Perpetuem with reasonably good results, but I'm not entirely happy with it and looking to try something else. I guess it won't really matter until Spring, though.
  • So, whats in your secret infinit cocktail????
  • Posted By William Jenks on 20 Oct 2010 12:29 PM

    For those that use InfiniT, is the EN standard mix appropriate for concentration or is it highly enough flavored that it's only good for 1x use? Or where do you start?





    I have my own Infinit mix (teeny tiny amount of protein, 650mg sodium per serving)---on the slider page, I turn the flavor WAY down--almost to zero. So at regular concentration there's hardly any taste, but at 3X concentration it tastes as strong as Gatorade Endurance. At 6X concentration, it tastes as sugary as a gel.

  • Similar to Kitima, I use the EN mix, turn the flavor to almost 0 and up the sodium to 500mg per serving. The protein levels work well for me, but during my consult that was the first thing I was told to watch in case the formula needed to be tweaked. (Oh yeah, Lauren, in case you didn't know another reason everyone loves Infinit is that you can call and work with a consultant to develop a profile based on your issues. They do a tremendous job in trying to get your customized formula that will work for your race needs. Very cool IMO.)
  • Agreed, Inifinit rocks. Just call them up and they can help you customize your formula based on your size, distance of race etc... Sugestions, go with a different flavor for bike and run, less protein on the run.
  • Posted By Lauren Parello on 20 Oct 2010 07:21 AM

    I was told to jump in with questions...so here goes!  I am a 5x Ironman.  I still do not get how to do nutrition.  My first couple years I just tried gu and bars with gatorade, but I was told I wasnt getting enough protein.  So this year I decided to try perpetuem, and I ended up puking after a 60 mile ride (did NOT sit well).  I feel like Ive tried so many different things, but I always completely run out of energy OR find myself eating anything infront of me on the run because I get so hungry!  Any suggestions??? I am 5'0, roughly 125 lbs, BMI roughly 16.5.  Thanks!  I want to work on this EARLY so later in the year I wont be stressing



    Who told you that you weren't getting enough protein?  Protein is one of the harder things to digest.

    I use Infinit with very little protein (about 1.2g per serving).  If I get that hungry feeling, I just eat something simple like a poptart.  It's more or less a bunch of simple sugar and digests easy (for me anyway) and is about 190 calories.  I eat one of those and don't take in any more calories for about 40 minutes.  It usually subsides the hunger pangs.

  • WOW I had no idea that Infinit did that!! How cool!!! Thanks guys....I feel like I already got my money worth signing up for this team image
  • Yes, Infinit is pretty cool in that you can tweak everything about the formula to your liking. I started out with their base Ironman formula and tweaked some stuff (added more cals/carbs/electrolytes) and lessened the flavor and protein.

    My formula looks like this:
    Supplement Facts:
    Servings Per Container (25)
    Serving Size: 2 Scoops (71.46 g)
    Amount Per Serving
    Calories: 270
    Calories from Fat: 0
    Total Fat: 0g - 0% of daily value
    Saturated Fat: 0g - 0%
    Sodium: 500mg - 20%
    Potassium: 145mg - 4%
    Total Carbohydrate: 66 - 22%
    Dietary Fiber: 0g - 0%
    Sugars: 13
    Protein: 1.11 - 2%
    Vitamin A (Beta-Carotene): 0 - 0%
    Vitamin C: 0 - 0%
    Vitamin E: 0 - 0%
    Selenium: 0 - 0%
    Calcium: 40 - 4%
    Magnesium: 30 - 7%

    Ingredients:
    Maltodextrin
    Dextrose
    Sucrose
    Citric Acid
    Natural Flavors
    Sodium chloride
    Potassium chloride
    Magnesium gluconate
    Calcium gluconate
    Whey Protein
    Isoleucine
    Valine
    Leucine
    Caffeine
    Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
  • Lessening the flavor is definitely a key in making your Infinit mix, since I think everyone concentrates the mix to some degree (some more than others). Would really recommend doing that. And don't forget that EN gets a discount. Check out the discount info in the wiki!
  • I'm a Cytomax person. 2 bottles on the bike, 2 more at special needs and then I have 1 run bottle to grab in T2. Gels fill out calories on the bike and water if I need more fluids. I can usually make it past mile 10 on the run and then I ditch the bottle and drink course stuff. I've tested this on race rehearsals and other long rides so I know it works on race day.
  • Hi Lauren! Welcome.

    First, your BMI scares me. Although that doesn't tell anything about body composition, when you drop below 18.5 you are considered underweight. There is a balance between speed and a healthy weight. Just something to think about.

    I know some people can use Perpetum, but I know a lot more who can't.

    Great info already in the thread. I like, use, and recommend Infinit.

    If you need other help, holler!
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