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Howdy all.  In the market for a new wetsuit.  Currently have an Xterra sleeveless but have a colder race coming up and want a full suit.  Having a hard time sorting through all the marketing hype, catch panel this, neoprene cell that, etc.  I'm a middle-of the pack swimmer - last HIM time was 36-37 min.  Local tri shop carries Orca and 2XU and Xterra's running a deal on their entry level suits.  Any personal experience or key things to look for what would awesome.  Thanks

Logan

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  • Fit is probably the single most important thing across brands in the same price range. I've had two suits, and one of them let me feel a lot less constricted in the shoulders. Given a fixed budget, I'd really go for the one that fit you best.

    I bought mine used, and I got a very high end one for a very good price online...so I had to take a potshot on fit. I will say that i love how it swims, but the rubber gets little tears in it when you blink at it sideways. I find myself making little repairs after almost every usage. Never had this problem with my "lower level" one. If I had known this, though, I might have looked for one made of a different rubber type. You might ask about this with the shop if it concerns you.
  • What William said. With wetsuits, it doesn't matter what other folks like/don't like. It's FIT.....FIT......FIT. Everything else is icing on the cake.

    If you can't find something that fits well across the brands your local shop carries, consider ordering several models from TriSport. They have a really good return policy for the wetsuits and if you just suck it up, buy 2 or 3 at once, try them all on, and return what doesn't work- you'll save a lot of time (and shipping costs).
  • Arguably you will find the best deals online. Many of the wetsuits come in so many sizes (many of which overlap) that you can ballpark the right size. Tyr has 8 men's sizes, for example. Once you get it, make sure it fits properly.

    A great place to find cheap wetsuits is on the Slowtwitch classifieds. I just bought a Tyr Hurricane Cat 5 wetsuit that a guy wore one time for IMWI. It had one hour worth of use and I got it for half price.

    There is a monster quality difference between high end and entry level wetsuits. If you put the Tyr Hurricane Cat 5 or Blue Seventy Helix next to the $100 Xterra you would never think of buying the Xterra. I know that money doesn't grow on trees and that's a major factor but the difference is significant when it comes to the thickness of the neoprene and such.
  • Another good place to look for used suits is The Pro's Closet on ebay. They have a weird mix of stuff, but prices are very reasonable. What you're choosing is whether to take a bit of a chance on sizing and get a higher end suit vs. getting a new one you know fits just right. As we get into winter, you'll see lots of on-line sales from places like TriSport, at least on some models, but there is also something to say for supporting the local shop if the price is comparable.
  • Try them on in person, all the brands you can, to test the fit (shoulders, chest constriction, etc). Then buy online...lots of end of season discounts going on about now.

    Personally, I love my BlueSeventy Helix longsleeve. I got a 20% discount on it locallly, which made it even cheaper than online (for once).

  • I actually don't have a wetsuit, I tossed my ancient Desoto out after IMCDA'08, which was also my last race. I'll be in the market in the spring (or winter deals?) What's the current most fastestest wetsuit out there? I haven't given a thought to a wetsuit purchase in about 8yrs. Please bring me up to speed.

  • I know the Desoto T1, which is a 2-piece, has gotten raving reviews. Al swears by Desoto suits so I think that is a pretty good testimonial. Problem is that the T1 top, I'm pretty sure, had some areas that were 7mm thick. I know I have read it before, yet the thickness is curiously absent from the product description now. That top will be illegal in 2013. Also, curiously enough, they redesigned the top for 2011 and just released it yesterday and the DeSoto website clearly describes 5mm neoprene. Also, curiously enough, they do not appear to have redesigned the bottoms. So for anyone looking at a DeSoto that they plan to have in 2013, make sure you get the new top.

    Right now the TYR Hurricane Cat 5 appears to be the hot suit and is not nearly as expensive as the 2XU Project X. That's probably going to be my new wetsuit next year.

    Right now I am using the 2XU V:0, a 2007 model that I got a smoking hot deal on from EBay in 2009. I have no experience with other wetsuits personally so it's hard to make any comparisons, but I don't consider myself a fast swimmer in general. For some reason, though, I seem to have pretty fast swims in wetsuit races. My two HIM swims last year were 30:57 and 32:50. I haven't done a wetsuit swim in competition this year. That last one last year, the zipper busted from an overzealous wetsuit stripper. I had it pseudo fixed knowing I was only doing one race in it this year but I am replacing it after IMAZ because I think it lets in a little more water now. If it wasn't busted, I wouldn't be replacing it.
  • I have a QR shorty, an XTerra Vector Pro, and an XTerra Vendetta. I bought the QR at an expo and was able to try it on. It's great when the water is just legal to maybe 6 degrees colder. The Vector Pro and Vendetta are both superb. When I bought my first from XTerra, I noticed that the fit chart didn't quite work for me. XTerra had me send them several measurements and recommended the right size that I would not have picked from the chart. Out of the box it fit like a glove. They did the same for my wife...perfect size recommendation if you give them your stats. With any wetsuit, the closer to the top end, the more flexible it will be and the more susceptible to microtears. The good suits are really only good for two seasons. My Vector Pro is now a collection of aquaseal spots from all the repairs I've done on it ... so now I use it as a training suit.

    @ Terry - you are a fast swimmer dude! Re 7mm thick, anything over 5mm became illegal as of 1 Sep 2010 in any WTC race, but is good until Jan 2013 for USAT races. USAT has basically stated that although the thick suits are patently unfair, they will allow the unfairness to continue for two more years so people who just bought the suits can get some use out of them. The rule was principally aimed at DeSoto's Water Rover which has some 10mm panels.
  • I have a BlueSeventy Helix that is fabulous. It has extra buoyancy patches in all the right places (which is good for me as I'm NOT a great swimmer) and fits me like a glove. Which, I have to agree with what everyone else said, the fit is key and that was why I went with the Helix. I tried on at least 8-10 different brands/models until I found the perfect one, this was it. http://www.blueseventy.com/products/detail/helix

    Good Luck.
  • Nemo's idea might work best for me as size "little guy" (5'3" and 120# soaking wet) is hard to come by in stock at most stores. Seems most online retailers stock XS. Thanks for all the input, I'll let you know how it works out!
  • I'll put in a plug for De Soto.  The fact that they are 2 piece means you can often get a better fit than a one piece.  I'd be a bit careful about preferring a local shop, oddly enough.  I'm of the opinion that trying it on, dry, in a shop, is nowhere near as helpful as actually swimming in it.  Towards that end, DeSoto, and hopefully most other reputable vendors, offer a 100% refund/exchange program. 

    Some local shops also rent suits, and will comp you the rental fee if you end up buying.  If you are only doing a couple races a year, it might be better to just rent!

    Mike

  • I'll mention an online vendor that others have not. F2R (Fit 2 Race). Middle of the road, not high end or low but good quality and good value IMO. Also great company, ordered sale suit and they were out of stock upgraded me to higher end suit for same price. Also called with measurements and was told the perfect sized suit to order. Got it in mail and it fit like it was custom made for me. No complaints so far, but here in SoFl i really only need it a few times a year so I went with affordable.
  • My wetsuit was a DeSoto T2, one of the first ones that came out. My dislikes about it where that I think I only got it on 100% correctly once or twice (sleeves always a little twisted) and taking it off was a bit of an art. I think they've added a zip down the back now though?

  • I just want to re-enforce what William, Nemo, Scott and others said ... FIT, FIT, FIT! If you can, don't just try them on at the same time, actually swim in them in an endless pool at a shop.

    I'll take a cheap wetsuit that fits perfect anyday before the latest, greatest, next best thing that just fits ok. Serriously, as with a perfect fittings suit I don't have any chaffing or discomfort concerns and don't even need much body glide at all, that comfort is worth the same or more amount of time than the best wetsuit on the market.

    I'm biased towards Zoot, so take the rest of this with a grain of salt...

    I am fortunate to have the currnet top of the line (Zennith 2.0 at ~$650) and second tier Zoot wetsuits (Synergy at ~$300) and I raced in the Synergy all year becase it just felt like it fit perfect. There was never anything wrong with the Zennith and it fits very well, but he Synergy just feels better to me. In fact I raced in a Zennith 1.0 the two years before that and love it as well). Maybe I lost 10 seconds by going with the "slower" suit, but I was very comfortable in every race and never had an issue.

    The difference between a top of line wetsuit and a mid tier or even first tier wetsuit from any of the Tri companies is very small. If multiple really fit the same, focus on the features that mean the most to you. Like bikes the technology is so good now, that you get a lot for your money with the lowest tier of wetsuits.

    I know you didn't list Zoot as an option, but just an FYI the Zennith 2.0 can be found for 40-50% off right now as their new top of the line wetsuit is being relesaed in the early spring. If the Zennith fits you right it is an awesome suit and that is a geat price for it. The new wetsuit was just re-named to the Prophet and has a number of new features that will get you a few more microseconds.

    Whatever you do, try them on first!
  •  Just an FYI, the rules are changing on wetsuits in 2013. They can't be any thicker than 5mm, so keep that in mind when shopping.

  • The 2013 date is for USAT... the rule already went into effect on Sept 1, 2010 for Ironman/WTC events.
  • Thanks all for the input. I took Nemo's advice and ordered two suits from Trisports.com - Orca Sonar and TYR Hurricane C3. Trisports guys thought the TYR would fit me better based on size, weight, build but the Orca felt much better. Could barely fit into the TYR. Swam in the pool yesterday with the Orca and it felt great. Will be returning the TYR. Odd thing is that I thought the TYR would be the better fit based on online reviews. Could barely squeeze my L'il Peep body into it. (Size XS, of course.) In the pool the Orca dropped my 100 yd time from 1:40 to 1:25 - I'll let you know how it handles at B2B next weekend!
  • Glad it worked out for you Logan. Good luck at B2B- I hear that's a pretty fast swim!
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