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Pacing a Double Century

Hi All,

I am in Week 16 of my first OS - A November peep. I missed two workouts in Week 6 with a cold and this week's Wednesday run due to travel. I have completed all of the other workouts. I have seen only modest gains (5%) in my FTP but have added a few vDOT points (yay!). Living in Southern California, all of my rides have been outside. I've extended most weekend rides but have still been hitting my Sunday run marks.

I am signed up for the Solvang Double Century the week after the OS ends. When being encouraged to partake of the Koolaid, everyone said, "Don't worry - you'll be fine for the 200 if you work the OS and then pace yourself."

So here's the big question - What is the appropriate pace (in terms of FTP) for a double century?

Other questions:

  • Will it help to break it up into two rides - say 120 miles, a long (30 minute?) break, and then finish it up?
  • Is it better to keep all breaks to less than 5 minutes?
  • Any advice for training in the next five weeks?

Rubin

 

p.s. My A race triathlon isn't until late summer.

Comments

  • Rubin: A couple of questions. Do you have any time goals in mind? Will this be a sizable group ride with opportunity for drafting in a pace line? How hilly is the ride. What has been your longest ride experience before?   What IF do you use for an Ironman race?

    Matt

  • Paging Mr. "Brevet" Russell to the podium...
  • Now you're bumping around in my corner of the tub!

    This is a pretty flat event so pace lines will rein supreme. Are you good at riding with others?

    Other details: make sure you have your saddle/short interface dialed in; chamois cream/Lantiseptic are your friend. Nutrition: due to your ability to sit in a paceline and lower your effort/heart rate you can ingest more calories; most brevet riders roll on about 350-500 calories/hour; slam the food! Eat while you ride; that way there's plenty of time to eat!

    Now on to the main event: pacing. EVERYONE will be drilling it at the start. You have a choice: try to keep up and hope for the best OR dial down the early effort and catch the speedsters as they inevitably fade. And they will. Your PM will be invaluable here. I'd cap watts at FTP and look for long periods at Z3, especially late in the ride when all others will be fading. Much of these events is just like racing Ironman; self-knowledge leads to appropriate pacing leads to optimal times. Support stops are just like transitions in triathlon: have a plan, execute that plan, get out. I pass countless "faster" riders at support stops.

    This event is notorious for silent, ungrateful wheel-suckers; think about how you'll deal with them. Or maybe be one of them? It is a way to gain speed/time, but funky on the karmic balance.

    As for training before the event; have faith. The OS prepped you plenty well; you'll be fine. I did a complete Super Randonneur Series last year (and a 1000k!) on just the OS; I didn't ride over 60 miles in training.
  •  Hi Matt,

    This will be my first double. I'd like to finish in under 16 hours - it doesn't "count" if you take more than 17 hours. I am pretty sure that they limit the number of riders to about 600. There will definitely be pace lines. I would hesitate to join a pace line early in the day that would cause me to go too hard. There will be some friends of mine who would be more than willing to let me draft but they are strong experienced double riders who wouldn't appreciate me saying, "Slow down - even though I am drafting, I am riding at .82 IF and I really need to keep it below .79 IF."

    I've never done an Ironman 140.6 but I rode two 70.3's at .82 or so. I've done a few centuries over the past year including a fairly flat one (3K ft of climbing) last week at .8. I also took almost a minute off my 5K time the next day!

    This ride (the Solvang Double Spring) has about 7,000 ft of climbing including a 1,000 ft climb around mile 170. Most of the climbs are between 4-6% with only a few sections much steeper.

    It may also be relevant that I am riding with my wife. She has been training in a more traditional way by riding more than 150 miles per week. She has a much better W/kg ratio than I do. Even if there isn't a big group for a pace line, the two of us will work together.

  • Hi Bill!

    I do NOT plan to drill it at the start or at any other time! I plan to keep it dialed down. I am fine riding with others but will stay away from any group that causes me to exceed my planned effort. I have never ridden more than a century so I don't have a good idea of what number to pick.

    During this ride, I will be a vocal and grateful wheel sucker.

    During century rides, I treated rest stops as if they were triathlon aid stations - I'd either skip them or stop for 3-6 minutes - just enough time to do what I needed to do. I've been consuming about 400 calories/hour with gels and gatorade. I can also handle bananas and fig newtons but gels and drink seem to work fine for me. I get through without bonking and without being famished at the end. I can also tell that my hydration is fine. My saddle and shorts work well enough that I've never bothered with chamois cream without any ill effects.

    So it sounds like a reasonable plan is to cap effort at FTP for climbing [1.05 for shorter climbs] and .8 or so for the rest. If I am in a "good" pace line, maybe I should be willing to go as high as .85 or so.

    I'm still conflicted on the rest stops. My roadie friends generally linger longer. They especially like to make one stop a long lunch break and eat lots of solid food. My gut tells me to just keep riding and eat gels and drink gatorade on the go.

  • @Rubin - I've done the SINGLE Solvang century several times. I am assuming your double is a double of the actual century course. On the single course, most of the ascents are on the back 3rd of the course where pace lines are less frequent and harder to maintain during this segment. Once you exit the first SAG station in Lompoc, you will be in paceline heaven. Use them as course is in it's fastest section for quite a while and likely will entail some headwind also during next 50 miles prior to getting back into hills and climbs on back 3rd section. Have fun......I may be out there doing the single century and will have on EN jersey if I am.
  • @Rubin I've ridden one double century for "fun" a few years back. It was not sagged and I rode my TT bike and a friend came along who was a weaker cyclist and drafted me the whole way. It was before I got my PM but my HR was about what my Ironman heart rates were pre PM. I did 202 mi in 10:47 not counting stops. My longest ride was 140 miles before the double. I kept my aid station stops to a minimum, maybe 5 minutes tops to fill bottles and add Infinit powder at a spigot or hose. Any longer and I get cold and stiff and it seems hard to get back into a rhythm. I did change my shorts at mile 150 and regretted it as 2nd pair of shorts seemed worse than 1st pair. I'm about 160 lbs and was taking in at least 300-400 cal/hr. Had to pee about 4 times so I was well hydrated. I don't recall much other useful info other than I was dreaming about pizza and ice cream when we did a short t-run so may have been a tad light on the calories for the amount of wattage I was producing and KJ I must have been churning out. Probably a PB&J would have been a good idea but I tried to go all liquid and some bananas in prep for IMLP that year. Anyway, I hope this helps and you have a great ride! Good luck.
    PS: I'm new to EN so some of the EN vets can help you as to the OS prep for a double. Just wanted to share my recollection of my ride to help you with calorie and aid station suggestions.
    Jeff
  •  @Jeff

    LOL - "dreaming about pizza and ice cream" - thanks for that recollection! I'm planning on riding a road bike. 10:47 would definitely be a dream!

    @David

    The Solvang Century is a week (or two?) before the double. I did that Century a couple of years back. I think the courses overlap somewhat but the Double is a larger  (but still single) loop that starts and ends in Solvang. The number of riders is much smaller than that of the Single so while there will be pace lines, there won't be as many. Good luck on your ride.

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    Rubin, 

    Bill Russell is our mega ride guru – His advice is allways on target.

    My 2 cents – It’s been many years since I have I did a double – did it mostly solo and went under 10:00. Did not have power back then. On pacing – totally agree with the others, don’t get sucked into starting out to fast! 

    If I was going to ride a double I would use the high end of our IM pacing guidance ~.75 IF and put a cap of 10% above that for hills or leading a pace line. I would feel confident I could finish the 200 in 11-12 hours at that level. I would try to keep my first hour to ~ .70 IF or lower if possible.  

    For the breaks – I agree with the theme said my most. Keep them efficient and keep moving. For me if I get off the bike for 15-20 min, I feel worse when I get started.

    On the nutritional front, you may want to consider getting about 10% of your calories from protein for that length of event. If you run only carbs fro that length of time you will lose some muscle mass. I use Hammer Perpetuim just for that reason.

    For training – as said your legs will be fine by doing what you have been doing. You may want to add some weight to your helmet for your longer rides between now and the event. Get those head supporting muscles stronger!!! They will fatigue on a ride like that is not use to the load.  

    Good Luck Enjoy they day! We want a complete report after the fun!
  • Rubin,
    A couple of years ago, I did several double centuries so I could earn the Triple Crown (3 Double Centuries in one year). I had a Powermeter that only would last for a couple of hours so I used RPE and HR. I think that you will find that "ALL DAY PACE" naturally. That is the pace where if you feed me and water me I can keep going for a long time. 2 very helpful hints that Bill "Brevet" Russell already talked about which is typical EN thinking. Pace very easy the first 40-50 miles. Never exceed your FTP or even get close to it if you can. Don't burn any matches. Starting slow and even pacing will have you counting all the people you are passing in the last 50 miles, just like mile 18 of the marathon.
    Another thing to think about is lighting for your bike. If you haven't ridden at night with lights, try it ahead of time. Have a backup light or batteries in case something goes wrong. I have ridden at night in Death Valley and it was one of those you have to experience types of adventures to appreciate. But I had a helmet light and a really good light mounted on my bike. Just something to think about.
  • Rubin,



    Yano brings up the lighting issue. If you don't already have this covered, I'd highly recommend the Planet Bike Superflash for the tail light. Peter White has a great overview of headlights on his website. Reflective gear? I've found the Nathan Y-yoke sash to be comfortable and stylish. If you find yourself out on the course after dark and needing to read your cuesheet you'll need to light that up as well; a Black Diamond unit on a headband around the helmet works well for me.

  • @Yano

    It would be cool to earn the Triple Crown but I probably won't try it this year. My PT/Garmin and/or Joule should be good for the whole ride. While I like the idea of never exceeding my FTP in the first 50 miles, I think that would mean riding alone for the 1st 150. Still, I agree that it may be the wisest course. For some people, a PT can help them from going too hard. For me, I tend to need the PT to keep me from going too easy. I typically gravitate to a pace which is too slow. When training for 70.3s, my RRs were important in letting me know that I could go harder than I originally thought. I don't have a RR for this event and am counting on the experience of others to get me through this first one. It is even more difficult since the folks with whom I ride who have done between 5 and 10 doubles over the years recommend an approach that is more like ride hard until you tire, then rest, and do it again, and again. Worse, is that they can say that it a a good strategy because it has worked for them many times.

    @Bill/Yano

    We already have a bunch of reflective gear and reflective tape to add to various parts of our bikes and person. Based on a much earlier post of Bill's, I checked out Peter White's site. Some of those front hub generators seem really cool. We have started practicing riding in the darkness using the Super Flash for the rear. For front, we are going with battery powered LED Planet Bike Blaze lights which seem suitable. We also have  a helmet mount Cygolite Milion.

     

  • Rubin,

    My front hub generator/Edelux headlight has revolutionized my winter training. No more worry about being caught out after dark! As someone who despises exercising indoors this has really opened up my workout schedule.
  • I think the secret weapon here is your VI...if you can be steady on the flats and the hills, cruising the descents, you can get a lot of good consistent work in. If you start getting "surgey" on the day, you'll be paying for it on day 2 and most likely the rest of the week! image But hell, you gotta earn your pizza and ice cream, right?
  •  Thanks to all for the advice - I wrote a ride report and put it in the Race Execution folder.

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